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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:09 PM
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Your opinion: what was the tipping point for McCain
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 01:10 PM by npincus
when the bottom dropped on his support? Conventional wisdom, per MSM yakkers is that it was circumstantial: the credit crisis, massive home forelosures, failure of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac ,and demise of huge banking, insurance and investment institutions.

My personal view is that McCain's ourtrageous response-- "stopping" his campaign, pulling out of the first debate, parachuting into a contrived WH pow-wow where he did more harm than good, then flip-flopping on his decision to nix the debate, was a shocking performance that was truly the beginning of the end.

What do you think caused the S.S. McRat to start taking in water?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:10 PM
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1. the result of his palinoscopy caused the free fall
before that, twas a different story.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:10 PM
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2. Ditching David Letterman and going on CBS with Couric...
IMO, that began the sinking of the USS McTurd.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:10 PM
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3. Sarah Palin
I mean, c'mon!
Really?!?!
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:10 PM
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4. When Palin started opening her mouth. n/t
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:15 PM
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13. agreed, the Charlie Gibson interview was odd, scary, but Katie buried her
you could think she was nervous with Charlie and one interview can be forgiven and he only really "got" her on the Bush Doctrine question.

Katie destroyed her. There were at least 4 questions that she flubbed so badly there was no way to see her as presidental material.

Did anyone see Kathryn Parker (I think that's her name, the NO writer who trashed McCain over Palin) on Colbert 2 nights ago? She's had it with Palin and hence McCain.

DO NOT let them blame this on the economy as though it had NOTHING to do with McCain or the GOP.

It was Palin.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:11 PM
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5. When he picked Gidget for VP nt
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CatBO Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:11 PM
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6. The "campaign suspension" stunt killed him for good...
He was holding on, albeit tenuously beforehand. The "campaign suspension" stunt totally killed his campaign. No one wants a President can't handle a crisis and has to stop everything and hide.

There were lots of things that suppressed his numbers. That stunt however, killed his standing among some of his base and the independents who were on the fence.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:11 PM
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7. The moment he decided to CAVE IN to Bush and the RW nuts he used to loathe for years.
He fell off his own ground and onto theirs.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:11 PM
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8. Palin
The Palin pick caused some momentum for the McLame campaign but ultimately showed his poor, poor, poor judgement.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:12 PM
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9. Charlie Gibson & Katie Couric exposed what a bunch of PHONIES they are.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:12 PM
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10. Sara Failin stripped him of needed Independent & moderate support. n/t
n/t
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:13 PM
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11. calling himself a maverick in debate
BTW everyone should look into McCain and the Russian Mob...
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:15 PM
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12. Palin's Couric interviews. The dumb was overwhelming. n/t
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:15 PM
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14. There's a new show on CBS called "Worst Week". McCain had such a "worst week".
It was the week of Sep 15 to Sep 19. Those 5 days, and McCain's highly erratic statements and behavior suddenly made being a "maverick" not so good, when the nation wanted calm, intelligent talk to soothe it.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:16 PM
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15. There were many, and
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:18 PM
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17. doggonit.. if you do there's a reward in heaven for ya!
:rofl:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:17 PM
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16. McCain voting for the bailout.
I called the election for Obama after that.

McCain was handed an issue, but then didn't use it.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:18 PM
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18. When McCain cancelled his appearance on CNN because of the way they talked about Palin
Or actually just after the RNC convention when they stated that Palin would do no press conferences or interviews. I think that started the slide. They tried to keep George Bush away from the RNC convention and they didn't even acknowledge that they were Republicans. The people realized, however, that McCain was more of Bush, with his manipulative and secretive ways, putting politics ahead of country. The CNN incident with Campbell Brown confirmed it. After that, the media didn't play ball with McCain quite the same way they did before.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:19 PM
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19. When he was a cadet at Annapolis
It was down hill from then.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:19 PM
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Started w/ Palin's first interview and then his repeating "The economy is fundementally sound"
Those two things started his spiral into the abyss. The best thing about it all, is that when/if he loses this election, he will be a lame duck Senator for the next two years. The second best thing, we will never hear from Palin again.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:19 PM
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20. When the week when the stock market lost 20% & all he said was "the fundamentals are strong"
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 01:20 PM by The_Casual_Observer
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:21 PM
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21. I agree. His campaign suspension week was when he jumped the shark.
It was in trouble before that, but he yanked the plug that week.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:50 PM
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37. Yep.
I think that McCain fully expected Obama to blink and follow him to Washington. That way McCain would look proactive and Obama would look like he was just playing catchup to the senior lawmaker.

Unfortunately for McCain, Obama didn't fall for it and the media (along with Letterman) pounced on McCain.

Ever since then McCain has been trying to gain some momentum ,but his campaign is the Clusterfuck Express.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:22 PM
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22. Sarah Palin
Picking her killed his only real argument against Obama (experience), and as soon as she opened her mouth......
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:24 PM
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23. PALIN- I almost rolled on the floor when I heard it was her
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:25 PM
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24. The tipping point was the minute Palin opened her mouth for an unscripted comment.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:26 PM
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25. Definitely Palin.
She was a shockingly irresponsible choice for a guy who, until the R convention, was running on his greater experience and allegedly superior judgement. I think it was a key WTF? moment for a lot of undies and indies who might have been leaning his way. Then there was the campaign "suspension" stunt, which was transparently idiotic, and now this petty and irrelevant 11th-hour mudslinging in a time of real national crisis just makes their campaign look clueless and desperate. But Palin was the lynchpin, for sure--a panicky reaction to Obama's convention bounce.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:27 PM
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26. No doubt about it, it was picking Sarah Palin.
That's when everyone knew for sure he was in it to win and had no damned clue how to do it. Picking--or rather, letting blowhard bible-thumping fools pick--an unqualified candidate for such an office without vetting was guaranteed to shave a significant percentage of (discerning) voters who expected a responsible choice. It was also guaranteed to cancel out the racists who are also chauvinists. And it was also guaranteed to push Clinton supporters firmly back into the Obama camp.

Maybe God really did choose McCain's running mate.
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:33 PM
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27. I hate counting my chickens. but...
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 01:37 PM by Peachhead22
When he picked Palin. He may have locked up the true believers but began to lose everyone else. She went against so many of his talking points.

--"Experience counts"...um, except when it doesn't.

--"He says his judgement is superior." Then picks an idiot when so many more credible picks were on the short list.

--"He says he wants a highminded, respectful campaign." Then picks Rush Limbaugh with boobs...well, female boobs I mean. Not manboobs.

--"He says earmarks and corruption are filthy, disgusting and nasty." Then picks the queen of earmarks who's under an ethics investigation...also. :)
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:34 PM
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28. The "suspend my campaign" moment
Everyone saw though that in an instant, recognizing it as the lamest of political stunts.
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occe Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:35 PM
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29. Suspending his campaign
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:37 PM
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30. The campaign suspension, which overlapped with him canceling on Letterman.
I'm telling you: Canceling on Letterman was his "in the tank" moment, and no amount of groveling on Thursday will make up for it.
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TEXASYANKEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:39 PM
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31. Tina Fey as Sarah Palin
The moment I saw Tina as Palin, I knew the "bloom was off the rose" of this campaign. It has all been downhill for McSame from that precious moment. Thank you, Tina!
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CADEMOCRAT7 Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:44 PM
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32. The fundamentals of the economy are strong and the extreme drop of the Dow that day.
Obama was able to really prove how "out of touch" McSame was, and is, when he professed that the "fundamentals of the economy are strong" on the day the Dow dropped severely, and he has never recovered. His erratic behavior from that point on was a desperate attempt to remedy this fatal mistake. He clearly showed that morning that he did not understand what was happening.
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cjsmom44 Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:44 PM
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33. Gidget goes to Washington
Losing point? When McSame picked the wolf shooting, moose skinning, pro life zealot, intellecually challenged religious nutcase for his running mate. Oh and need I not forget another bad move...to BS about suspending your campaign to go "rescue" the economy? :rofl:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:45 PM
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34. Palins Couric interview then "suspending" his campaign then stayin in New York
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:45 PM
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35. When Obama Voted On the FISA Bill
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:50 PM
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36. I think Palin was the beginning...then the economy was the tipping point
People were growing tired of Palin and started to not like her the more they learned of her. Then, when it became obvious how Far-Right she is...McCain likely started losing some Indie and moderate support then. Then you had her horrifying interviews and the McCain campaigns anti-MSM stunt.

The economic collapse is when everything went downhill for them though.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:01 PM
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38. Economy first and foremost
First rule of campaigning is that bad economy favors the Dem, especially when the Dem is out of power. Remember Clinton in '92 -- worst economy in 50 years even though the economy wasn't that bad really.

No. 2: The whole bit about suspending his campaign. Totally weird maneuver that signaled to some he was out of the race. Very perplexing.

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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:33 PM
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39. Sarah Palin
she was the fire on the slowly leaking SS McCain.
McCain's responses and actions to the economy was a week (weak?) of self-inflicted wounds.
I think some who had been willing to give him a pass could not get past Palin.
Others who were even willing to give him a pass on Palin could not handle both Palin and the economy.

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:25 PM
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40. McLurch Week -- The Fundamentals of the Economy are Sound
and a less than 24-hour turnaround to
there's a huge financial crisis so I'm suspending my campaign !
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:39 PM
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42. agreed.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:34 PM
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41. When Obama won the nomination.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:40 PM
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43. Picking Palin... that was a long shot that did not pay off. He lost right there
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:41 PM
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44. Obama winning the primary.
Or, possibly, McCain winning the primary.

McCain and 3 months head start on Obama, and he's been behind since the general began.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:43 PM
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45. As Bill said: "It's the economy stupid!" and Failin!
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