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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:17 AM
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'Swiftboating' DOESN'T work - Election fraud DOES.
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 11:52 AM by blm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

The GOP thugs HIDE election fraud by ramping up the spin about the 'phenomenon' of Values Voters or the 'success' of swiftboating. Dems SHOULD be smart enough not to buy their diversionary tactics, by now.

For example: The difference in Ohio will be the work of Brunner as Secretary of State to SECURE the 2008 election, as opposed to Blackwell's machinations to steal 2004.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:18 AM
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1. indeed, the watchdogs need to be on point (and cannot afford to cry wolf too early, either)
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:48 AM
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2. Not just Ohio
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 11:49 AM by riqster
Do we never learn? In 2004, we watched Florida, where the last theft took place. In 2008, we cannot just look at Ohio, where the last theft took place.

Some signs of recognition were displayed in 2006, where we watched more polls in more states, and we need to take that farther this time.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:51 AM
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3. Of course. Ohio was an example. New Mexico, NC, Colorado and Nevada were
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 12:15 PM by blm
also likely stolen along with Florida and Ohio, in 2000, 2002 and 2004.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:58 AM
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4. NM wasn't so much stolen as neglected by RIchardson
...he shut down the recount, because 'it wouldn't change anything'.

But yes, it seems we agree that we need an Election Integrity '50 State Strategy' to watch for vote fraud of all sorts this year.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:51 PM
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8. why did they stop stealing in 2006?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:54 PM
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11. they didn't....they continued in some races. But, if they did it to the degree they did for Bush
in 2004, they risked being more greatly exposed on 2004, too. And Dean's DNC was not as WILLING to look the other way as McAuliffe's (Hillary2008)DNC.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:00 PM
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12. what 2006 races did they steal?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 02:31 PM
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13. Election Reform can help you with details. BTW, do you understand the US attorney firings?
.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:13 PM
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5. That's a good point
Swiftboating may be the wounding but electoral fraud is the coup de grace.

And looking at the electoral map, NC, VA and MO are ripe for fraud as well.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:44 PM
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6. THANK YOU. K & R nt
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:50 PM
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7. I think its a two pronged strategy. Steal votes, disenfranchise voters, but
have a cover story in place that the swiftboating and 'information' about Obama changed minds at the last minute defying earlier polls. That's what they did with Jr. in the 2004 election, stole Ohio but let the cover story be guns, gays, and Gawd, and OBL's last minute tape that was released. It still won't work if there is a massive Democratic turn-out at the polls, they can only get away with stealing so many without risking getting caught.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:52 PM
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9. This is a must read
For things to watch FOR and things to do in case you are affected.

http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/article.php?id=6600
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 08:48 AM
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14. Thank you
Now all we need to do is get more Dems to READ what is already out there instead of repeating the RW memes set up specifically to divert from the election fraud.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:54 PM
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10. Emergency info -- Steal Back Your Vote dot com
http://www.stealbackyourvote.com/

For more thorough background on election manipulation past & present:

Stealing America: Vote by Vote www.stealingamericathemovie.com
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