Bill Clinton On MTP: He Just Can't Fully Support Obama...

[malik flavors]

He's really struggling to compliment Obama. He couldn't even bring himself to call Obama a good guy.

I give him credit for trying, because I know it's hard for him, but man...he's really tepid in his support.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. He Did A Good Job At The Convention

Before and since... bubkes.

[Fran Kubelik]

2. Dammit

I have so loved this man for so long. And he is breaking my heart.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. He looks old and tired. n/t

[GalleryGod]

204. From what? Fa' Crissakes!

Countin' Money!

[BumRushDaShow]

225. Yeah, that must be it!

:rofl:

[Starry Messenger]

4. Uh-oh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI&feature=related

Incoming.

[demokatgurrl]

205. I don't get it....................??? nt

[Starry Messenger]

252. Scroll down this thread.

This is the scene I always picture when these subjects come up.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. I shut him off.

[Doremus]

28. I did too --- before he came on. Already heard his spiel several times

Pffft.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. I had heard him a couple of times and I thought that perhaps with the recent criticism he

might have changed his tune. No, so I changed to the Food Network.

[Raineyb]

77. I think the interview was taped on Thursday

Although I'm not sure what difference that would make at this point. Even SNL is pointing out how tepid Clinton's support of Obama is.

Regards

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

86. The SNL parody last night was dead on, and embarrassing.

[SwampG8r]

6. prepared to be attacked

by the "usual suspects"
in 3...2...1...

[Phx_Dem]

14. Good. Bring it on.

I don't see how any self-respecting Democrat can defend Bill's childish behavior. It strikes me as jealousy.

I hope Obama tells Bill, "thanks but no thanks to that campaigning offer."

[Raineyb]

134. Ugh! What does Bill Clinton have to do before the Clinton worshippers finally realize

that Bill Clinton's acting like an ass?

The constant excuse making is truly vomit inducing.

:puke:

Regards

[endthewar]

188. Bill Clinton would rather improve his legacy than win an election

He's a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. He better hop on board the Obama bandwagon before it takes off without him.

[still_one]

7. We don't need his support. Hillary's support on the other hand is critical

To me it is better that Bill Clinton is tepid because there are still a lot of independents who are particularly fond of him

[ClarkUSA]

8. What else can Hillary 2012's campaign manager say?

Really, are we surprised? The definition of insanity and all that. I'm surprised he didn't mention how "hot" Palin is and
what a "great man" McCain his "very good friend" is.

[Fran Kubelik]

17. He did say McCain is a great man.

And he complimented Palin.

[ClarkUSA]

19. Oy. Vay. Then fuck him. He's so damn transparent.

Hillary 2012's motto: "Clintons First"

[Fran Kubelik]

41. In contrast, Hill's been great.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7210349

[ClarkUSA]

51. Hillary + Bill = Plausible Deniability for Hillary 2012

Their lifelong motto: "Clintons First"

[mitchum]

58. That's because she is a far better person than the bastard she is married to

[LonelyLRLiberal]

106. And he sabotaged her campaign, too, maybe not consciously, but he did.

I think Bill is one of the main reasons Hillary lost (that, and her stupid statements that destroyed her own credibility, like getting shot at upon landing in Bosnia, or wherever it was).

[DevonRex]

112. I agree. He sabotaged it for some reason. nt

[mitchum]

141. He did that because he is a narcissist and there is room for only one...

"President Clinton" in the Clinton household.

[mitchum]

145. Oh,he deliberately and consciously sabotaged her campaign

[jacksonian]

181. no, not sabotage

he's just been out of the game too long. And yes, he sunk Hillary with his trying to help.

He's like an old ballplayer who's retired but makes that last comeback only to find the game has changed. Painful to watch.

[earthside]

9. The Nation is Passing Him By ....

... becoming truly irrelevant.

It is kind of sad.

[Phx_Dem]

10. I'm not even wasting my time watching him.

I think SNL nailed him last night.

Bill Clinton is dead to me. :mad:

[Cha]

200. What did SNL say about Bill Clinton last night?

I've been offline due to changing my modem:)

[Raineyb]

217. He showed up on Weekend Update

and couldn't manage to say he supported Barack Obama. It was painfully spot on.

Regards

[Cha]

221. Thanks! Glad it's not just Chris Rock on Letterman who's

nailed Bill Clinton but SNL has taken it National.

Clinton's the one who's going to regret it when it's Obama who wins.

We don't need him anyway.

[seabeyond]

11. if he cannot enthusiastically support obama he shouldnt be on. he is done promoting his event

he doesnt need to be on the shows now

go home clinton, if you cant do the job

[Ikonoklast]

12. Bill always needs to be the center of attention

He was the Democratic Wunderkind not too long ago, and despite the party moving away from the grip of the DLC and other centrists, he still believes in that failed ideology.

The torch has been passed, Bill, whether you like it or not, and history is being made in spite of your unwillingness to participate.

The spotlight no longer lingers on him, and for a person with an ego as large as his, it is painful.

[Raschel]

107. and history is being made in spite of your unwillingness to participate.

Doesn't he realize that this will diminish his part in history when Obama wins?

Wouldn't it be better to go down in history as wildly popular on his own, plus a generous champion of the first Black President of the US? The strategy surrounding Obama's campaign and McCain's will be examined for years to come.

Instead, he will be defined within Obama's run for President as petulant and bitter.

[LibraLiz1973]

13. It breaks my heart to watch what he has become

I have adored Bill Clinton for years. I don't understand why he is doing this.

[Spider Jerusalem]

67. He is what he always was, you just didn't notice it before.

Hunter Thompson once said 'Richard Nixon stabbed his enemies in the back; Bill Clinton did it to his friends', and 'he has the loyalty of a lizard with its tail broken off'.

[DevonRex]

81. And I always thought Thompson was a jerk when he said stuff like that.

Now I know he was right and I was duped.

[undeterred]

15. If he can't say anything nice at this time in the campaign

he should STFU and turn down interviews. I will never vote for Hillary and its because of her narcissistic husband.

[qwlauren35]

122. But if she's a Widow???

Sad to say, but a widowed Hillary could win...

[undeterred]

129. If she's a widow, that's different.

[merbex]

16. My 80 year old mother just called.....she said "what the hell is wrong with him?"

'he's deliberately sabotaging Obama'

I said he's just jealous.

There sits a man who wouldn't like ANY Democrats not named Clinton getting elected POTUS because the potential exists that they could be a better President than he.

He probably hates the 22nd Amendment with a passion

[ClarkUSA]

21. No, your mother is right: "'he's deliberately sabotaging Obama"

He's a twisted, power-hungry man who hasn't got a care in the world and doesn't care about the rest of us.

[merbex]

42. Yes, he is but I went further and speculated WHY he was doing this

I think it's because of what I said.....he thinks he is the best Democratic President in the modern era and he doesn't want anyone with a name other than Clinton to even have the opportunity to compete with his record.

I think he'd be the same way with any one who got the top spot over Hillary

[ClarkUSA]

60. Well, then, you're right, too -- only it's beyond jealousy. What he's doing is sociopathic.

We are in the middle of the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression during a time of a two-front war
and he's playing footsie with McCain? That's sick, man. He's lost my support forever -- and so has good-cop
Hillary.

[mitchum]

63. He is so jealous that hewould be sabotaging his wife's campaign...

if she were the nominee.
He is sick.

[monmouth]

80. He negates any campaigning Hillary is doing for Obama. He is

not doing HRC any favors. Just pi$$ing those of us who may have voted for her in '16. Obama I'm sure, will have two terms.

[panader0]

18. His complete lack of enthusiasm is evident to all

[Honeycombe8]

20. I disagree. I saw part of the interview. He wouldn't call Obama "a great man."

It wasn't that he wouldn't call Obama "a good guy." Big difference. He explained why he called McCain that (referring to his years as a POW)...and I always regard "great man" as referring to someone who is an elderly man, been around for years.

But he DID say that he DOES "admire" Obama (same thing he's said about McCain).

Clinton has been tepid in the past, and I've criticized him for it. Why say anything at all, if you can't be truly supportive? But he did better this morning, IMO.

[karynnj]

219. I never took "great" to have anything to do with age

MLK jr, JFK and RFK all died young - and Bill Clinton has likely called them great.

As to what he did as POW that does not make up for everything - but, if it did, I don't recall Clinton calling John Kerry great and either his actions in Vietnam or in speaking before the Senate were as deserving as McCain's.

I think that Africa or South America or Australia need Clinton - for about a month and a half.

[Raineyb]

236. Neither did I

In fact I'll go so far as to say that the fact that he had to explain his use of the word "great" shows he was being disingenuous. I don't believe his explanation one bit!

Regards

[karynnj]

255. interesting point - when you have to expalin words

people use in pre-school, it does say something.

[w4rma]

322. Like the meaning of "is"? This seems to be a recurring theme for Bill. (nt)

[Honeycombe8]

312. Big difference when someone has been dead for decades, and left behind...

a trail that changed the world. It goes without saying that such a person was "a great man." Died when young...but it's years afterwards that the greatness becomes apparent.

It takes decades for someone to become great. I woud think that's common knowledge.

Do you have an example of someone referring to someone under 50 (and still alive) as "a great man"?

Your opinion of Kerry is yours. Clinton was obviously answering a question as to why HE, CLINTON, had called McCain "a great man" and said he admired him...and did he feel the same about Obama? What you think of Kerry or what Clinton thinks of Kerry is irrelevant. He DID say that he admires Obama. So give him that.

Clinton has not been supportive in the way he should be. That's obvious. He's just been giving lip service (no pun intended). But he did do better this morning, probably in response to the criticism about him not being supportive.

[karynnj]

313. Spin, spin, spin

The reason I mentioned Kerry is because the reason he designated McCain great was because of his POW experience. Kerry was also a genuine hero who in risking his life to save Rassman deserves at least as much credit as Mccain refusing to come home. In fact, McCain knew he would be dishonored if he did that - had Kerry just sped off with himself and his crew, no one ever would have known that he could have done otherwise. In fact, he could have justified it as protecting his crew or he could have commanded one of the crew to help Rassman - rather than risk his own life) I could have mentioned others - but Kerry was the most obvious parallel as both a hero and a Presidential candidate.

Not to mention, Clinton was against the Vietnam War, where JK was really a hero was in his temperate, reasoned advocacy to end that war. In fact, one example I have of a man referred to as great when young was Kerry in 1971. Not to mention that MLKjr was considered and called great BEFORE he was killed. Read the coverage of the "I had a Dream speech'.

[TwilightGardener]

22. He's now in Geraldine-Ferraroville as far as I'm concerned--someone

who used to be important, but let their own bitter jealousies and insecurities consume them to the point where they've become a sad joke.

[ClarkUSA]

29. God only knows what shit will come out of his mouth when he finally "campaigns" for Obama.

He'll do more harm than good on the trail - I'm sure he plans to do his not-so-subtle best to promote McCain while
damning Obama with faint praise.

[TwilightGardener]

34. Yes, that will be cringeworthy. Not looking forward to it.

[ClarkUSA]

65. I hope they restrict him to doing joint events with Obama where he'll HAVE to praise Barack.

Ha ha - that would be the best-case scenario: monster P.R. payoff with least risk.

[Curtland1015]

23. I pledged to reserve my judgement of Bill Clinton until after the election...

...it get's a bit harder every day.

I will point one thing out though. Bill Clinton keeps saying he THINKS Barack Obama will win. But he never really says he WANTS Barack Obama to win. There is a huge difference.

But again... I'm trying my damnedest to hold off on Bill until this all unfolds.

[livedemocarticordie]

24. i am in dc

right now and watching it, and it's so so disgusting to me how tepid he is on this guy. He was once young and struggling to get to the white house and the powers that be did not want to give him his shot but he got it and he got if off the votes, hours and backs of blacks and women.

Give me a break. Everything is code with this guy. So it's Barack's instincts and no he cant say he agrees BO is a great man, a man of accomplishment because he was only in the Senate and then started running..yeah yeah and it's just because the circumstances were right that he is poised to be president... Bill is angry about this and a total egocentric. This effusive gushing fucking praise for JohnMcCain is his wink and nod to his bubba white constituents that it's okay. You can feel good voting for McCain. And I have watched all his interviews and it's this very tired voice that says basically it's just going to happen, "you know I think he's going to win"---not that I want that!

Well guess what? We don't need that kind of dish water spit warm dumbass bullshit help, and I am through with Bill. Barack is just as brilliant, just as gifted and just as ready as he was, but with a moral compass that Bill never really had.

I've said my piece and yes I worked on both Bill's campaign but he is terribly wrong in his behavior. Suck it up, fake enthusiasm; we dont need tepid.

[Carolina]

88. welcome to DU and you are soooo right

we don't need that "dish water spit warm dumbass bullshit help..." I watched to see if Bill would at last redeem himself. HE DIDN'T. He continues to praise McCain (the man who called Chelsea a dog!) with obvious sincerity.

By contrast, his Obama 'support' is totally forced and false and it shows. I can't believe I was such an ardent supporter. I have half a mind to box all my memorabilia from the 1992 and 1996 campaigns along with their (his and her) books and mail them to his library with a note saying: I no longer want all this TRASH in my house!

[tblue37]

227. Rush called Chelsea a dog. McCain said she was ugly because

Janet Reno was her father. McCain's insult was even nastier than Rush's!

[wildeyed]

95. Yup.

"Barack is just as brilliant, just as gifted and just as ready as he was, but with a moral compass that Bill never really had."

Welcome to DU.

[Tatiana]

174. You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Especially on the code to make whites feel Ok about voting for McCain.

This is a hateful and envious individual. He deserves to be ignored and marginalized.

[BlooInBloo]

25. Fuck the Clintons. They've doomed themselves to complete irrelevance.

[Vero Possumus]

26. it's really sad

[PBS Poll-435]

31. I am really happy about Hillary's campaigning in rural Michigan, yesterday.

It was neat.

[Curtland1015]

39. Hillary has been great. A real trooper.

Bill, so far anyway... not so much. But then, Hillary is still an active politician. She's be commiting career suicide to at least not LOOK like she was trying to help Obama.

[PBS Poll-435]

45. She is doing far more than appearing to help Obama

She IS helping him.

And she is working very hard.

[Curtland1015]

59. Oh certainly... and I thank her for it!

She's been amazing. All I'm saying is, even if she wanted to bash Obama, or give him backhanded compliments like Bill has, she wouldn't have the choice (I'm not positive she would, I'm just saying she can't).

[PBS Poll-435]

61. I'm not positive she would, I'm just saying they can't

Drunken Panda Bears shouldn't drive.

[malik flavors]

35. Hillary is doing a great job, so I disagree with you there.

[ruggerson]

36. actually

they are a former President and a sitting Senator from NY who is campaigning her heart out for our nominee.

The only one in this equation who is completely irrelevant is you.

[Raineyb]

85. Actually, the former president is acting like an ass

so the comment is certainly relevant to half of the couple.

Regards

[Cosmic Charlie]

96. Bill could shoot Obama in the face, and you would want Obama to apologize

[polmaven]

103. Bill Clinton could get

a tattoo on his forehead to support Obama, and many here would complain that the colors aren't bright enough!

[cherokeeprogressive]

193. Now THERE'S an idea I can get behind!

[Alexander]

202. Except he wouldn't, since he can't even compliment Obama on TV.

It's really sad that there's still a contingent of DUers who will kiss Clinton ass no matter what Bill does.

[polmaven]

211. Bull!

Even some of the more strident critics of Bill Clinton are saying this OP is BS. it is really, really sad that there is absolutely NOTHING Bill Clinton could do that will not be met with vitriol by a contingent of DUers.

[Alexander]

278. You Clintonites think people are stupid. We have TVs. We SAW the interview.

Am I going to believe what I saw, or what you told me I saw?

You are as intellectually dishonest as the person you worship.

[ruggerson]

224. Welcome back to DU

[polmaven]

101. Thank you very much!

I often think that the admins should crate a new forum - The "Bill Clinton hater's forum". I'm sure it would get plenty of traffic.

[iconicgnom]

296. How about just sending Bill's fans to freeperville, where they'll find plenty company?

I did a "Bill Clinton" search at freeperville and here's what I got:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/billclinton/index?tab=articles

They sure as hell like what Bill is doing, over there. Not many complaints at all!

So it isn't so much a "Bill Clinton hater's forum" over here, you want, as to join a "Bill Clinton fan's forum" over there.

[Beacool]

317. Great!!!

Throw fellow Democrats out because they do not join the hate fest in all the liberal blogs, including this one.

Should all our votes go there too?

:crazy:

[iconicgnom]

320. Why do you think the freepers are loving Bill? Why are you fine with that?

Near every post of yours talks about "Clinton haters" and a "hate fest" here and on Dem boards, and none show any awareness of why it might be that Bill, esp., is causing such dismay amongst so many Dems at this crucial time. Yet anyone who really cared would catch a clue by now. It isn't just so-called "liberal blogs" and "progressives" who notice something askew with Bill's support for McCain in this election. This is so obvious to all, except obsessional Clinton supporters, that it's an object of derision on SNL skits, it's subject of op-ed pieces both left and right in the MSM, and as you would see if you followed my link to freeperville, it's a source of great happiness on the extreme right.

You can talk all you want about "haters", but the fact is that those Dems who're dismayed by Bill's words in recent interviews speak out because they wish for the Dems to win the general election which is coming very soon, and not out of mindless "hatred". They speak out because Bill was a twice elected Dem POTUS whose voice has great power, but who is undermining the current campaign. So yes, because of this there is much anger, along with the dismay. That's only natural. But anger + dismay doesn't = mindless hatred, because it is anger + dismay about specifics, albeit very critical specifics in a very critical time.

[Beacool]

323. I think that people are overreacting.

Bill and Obama are not friends, until quite recently they were on opposite sides and Bill is still pretty upset about being portrayed as a racist. All things considered, he's doing more than could be expected. A lot a people around here idolize Ted Kennedy, but he behaved abominably when he ran against Carter.

Bill will campaign for Obama if asked, but to expect him to be gushing with praise is asking too much. Who would believe him? Bill will do his duty, and so will plenty of Democrats, but no one is obligated to like Obama.

As for the "haters", the LW blogs treated both Clintons far worse than the Freepers did during the entire primary, this is just a continuation of more of the same. There's always an excuse found to trash either Clinton. Why do you think that most Clinton supporters left this board before the primary was even over?

[mtnsnake]

239. You nailed it

and being in the vast minority on this thread doesn't mean you're wrong. You are absolutely right, ruggerson.

[Lord Helmet]

301. there's a lot of space between your blind allegience to the Clintons and haters

I don't like either Clinton because of their policies and tactics and that's a good reason.

Cut the drama please

[iconicgnom]

321. Correct. The "Clinton haters" meme is an empty slur, substituting for lack of substantive argument.

[Thrill]

37. Hillary is out there working hard for Obama

Bill is the one holding a grudge

[DevonRex]

66. And we can tell Hillary's heart is in it, too. That is the biggest, best

change I have seen in recent weeks. She did her best in the beginning to support Obama and it must have been difficult. But recently I have seen evidence that she is actually passionate about it. That is more than I ever hoped for and she has earned my respect and gratitude. Not only that, but I'm a little in awe of her again.

The only thing Bill did was give a speech at the convention. Just a speech. I'd say his support of Obama is a fairy tale. And that's why I think it's deliberate sabotage.

[Metric System]

The ClintonS? So you're not happy with Hillary's campaigning? You may think that Bill hasn't gotten

over the primaries, but clearly neither have you.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

155. LOL! Keep on believing that!

:rofl:

[mitchum]

27. Fuck that narcissist

[williesgirl]

30. He was the reason I wouldn't support Hillary, not ever as long as she has him around her neck. rec

[nomorewhopper]

32. IT IS A VENDETTA

clinton apparently carries a grudge!

This is all about making mccain win so that hillary can run for president in 2012. that's it. nothing more, nothing less. and i'm calling it like i see it. and i am right.

[Balderdash]

167. Bullshit!

Bill is doing what has been asked of him. You want a pitbull and Barack wants a statesman.

[RichGirl]

33. I'm not defending Bill...

I understand he's grieving. He's hurt Hillary TWICE in ways that are irreversable.

But, let's say you have been an Obama supporter all along and Hillary had squeaked out the nomination. To have had that history making moment, right there within your grasp and then snatched away....it would be a killer. And then, like Hillary is doing now, to have to go out and rave about the person responsible. I'm sure that Obama would do at least as well as Hillary, probably better. But he is young and has his whole political future ahead of him. I think it's hard for Bill in the way it would be hard for Michelle to help the person who hurt the person she loves.

He's human, he's doing the best he can.

[malik flavors]

43. Yea, but if Hillary can be mature enough to do it, Bill certainly should be able to.

You'd think it would be harder for Hillary, but she's been great.

That show a character flaw in Bill. I accept it for the most part, but it makes him look kinda sad.

[OnionPatch]

46. If Hillary had sqeaked out the nomination

I would be showering her with accolades right about now, in no uncertain terms.

I can't understand why the Big Dog can't get over the personal crap and get behind what's good for the country. It's very disappointing to know that leaders you respected so much appear to be so petty.

[angee_is_mad]

79. As Chris Rock said, "She Lost!"

Get over it and try to get a democrat back in the White House. I'm not going to drudge up points of who did what to whom. All I'm going to say is thank God for youtube and make your own judgment.

The clintons are a political family who has been around the block alot of times. They know that you win some and lose some. hillary wasn't owed the presidency, just like Barack isn't owed the presidency. If you want to be president you have to work for it and Obama and his organization's hard work paid off.

Michelle Obama is a spouse and if the shoe was on the other foot you probably would not see her on the campaign trail after her husband's defeat. Just like you don't see Richardson's wife, Dodd's wife,etc. Also remember there were harsh things that was said about her husband that came directly out of the clinton's mouths, so if anybody should have a grudge it should be Michelle.

[Metric System]

123. Harsh things about the Clintons came out of Michelle's mouth too, if we're going back down that road

[polmaven]

168. Example:

Question: If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, can you support her?

Michelle: I don't know!

[Celebration]

271. interpretations

"Support" to michelle meant going on the road and campaigning. She is a busy mother. I don't blame her. You make sacrifices for your husband.

[polmaven]

281. Yeah, right!

LOL....I'm sure that MUST be what she meant! :rofl:

[Beacool]

319. Yeah, they forget Youtube works both ways.

:shrug:

[polmaven]

171. Is Michelle,

or any of the other's you mentioned former Democratic presidents? :shrug:

It does make a difference, you know.

[democracy1st]

105. He's weak she's the stronger of the two

[LonelyLRLiberal]

109. In every way . . . used to be he had the charisma and she was seen as inept politically,

but now she really has improved on connecting with people on the campaign trail.

I wonder about Bill. Other than being a sore loser, is there something more serious wrong with him mentally?

[democracy1st]

218. How can you play off on Hillary with a Monica Lewinsky

I'm like :wtf: I feel as though everyone wants to love Pres Clinton aka the Big Dawg,but he has to help instead of worrying about Obama stealing his star party within the party. If he had embraced the Kennedy's rather than the Bush's everything would have been a hell of alot smoother,but you're right I can see that she really does want to help as much as possible.

[polmaven]

165. Are you married to her?

If Hillary had sqeaked out the nomination I would be showering her with accolades right about now, in no uncertain terms.

The poster above was speaking of her husband, and Senator Obama's wife. The poster was attempting to explain why it is a bit more personal for him, as it would be with Michelle.

You are, I assume, a supporter, not a spouse of either of them. You will admit there is probably just a tad difference?

And, besides, we have absolutely NO IDEA what was discussed between Barack and Bill as to what his role would be. Maybe "diplomat" was it. Unless we have been the campaign manager of a presidential candidate, maybe it is we who should "get over" it.

We do know that Bill will not ACTUALLY be campaigning until after his own foundation events were over. Once October comes, let's wait and see.

[seabeyond]

49. then he shouldnt be on tv to promote the man. i agree with the difficulty, but the answer is simple

if he cannot do it..... then dont

[TwilightGardener]

52. That might be a defense if he wasn't the last Democratic President we've had.

Being a President means you play a big role in your party--personal animosity towards the nominee should take a back seat to elder-statesman behavior. But then, he had a very grievous lapse of Presidential behavior when he WAS President and the leader of the party, so eight years later, I guess there's not much to expect out of him in terms of propriety and selflessness.

[Carolina]

89. being the last Dem POTUS is a crap excuse

Reagan didn't campaign for Bush
and of course for several reasons, Clinton didn't campaign for Gore or Kerry.

Clinton needs to stay home or in Africa and STFU. He's damaged goods and he's not doing Obama any favors.

[DevonRex]

55. We don't want him talking if that is the best he can do. Bill has hurt

2 good democratic candidates just this year - Hillary and Barack.

We don't need his kind of "help."

[polmaven]

180. Define "we" please...

How do you know WHAT the Obama wants him talking about, and what kind of help the Obama campaign wants from him? Are you part of the decision making on the Obama team?

[livedemocarticordie]

74. i dont buy it.....

Trust me. This is less about doting love and affection for Hillary--- who has done a good job out here on the trail ----- and more about EGOmania. "I had never even met the guy until this summer..."

blah blah..we get it Bill you're sooooo miffed; you feel rebuffed. You're on the outs.

[Spider Jerusalem]

76. If anyone is responsible for Hillary losing, it's Hillary.

Her campaign was a disorganised cock-up, her overpaid advisers didn't know what the hell they were doing (Mark Penn didn't even understand the delegate apportionment rules, for fuck's sake); her campaign misspent its funds and misdirected its resources, and for that no-one but her can bear the ultimate responsibility. Had she run a smarter, more focused campaign, had she planned for a serious primary fight instead of a coronation, she'd probably be the nominee now.

[Carolina]

90. totally agree but Bill didn't help either

[Metric System]

126. It's interesting that some people around here are still so interested in rehashing the primaries.

[Raineyb]

87. Bill Clinton is a former President and a professional politician

He knows there are times when he has to suck it up and do what's good for the party. If he can't do that then he needs to STFU, get off the TV and stop doing interviews. He knows what he's doing, he's being an asshole and a sore loser and it's not becoming.

Regards

[qwlauren35]

128. He could choose to not go in front of a camera until Nov. 5th

It's just that simple.

He is NOT doing the best he can, if he can't figure that out.

[Hamlette]

38. Obama should politely ask him to stop speaking in public for the next 38 days

consider it his sacrifice for the party.

Better yet, "party elders" should ask him, say Obama sent them. Tell him he is killing all their chances for election as they want to ride Obama's coat tails.

[tekisui]

40. So what. He's not running for anything and not obligated to say anything.

It really doesn't matter and is not affecting this election.

[Curtland1015]

53. It does matter. The last DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, a very popular one...

...gives a very tepid endorsement to the deomcrat who is running? Talks up the opponent more than his own guy? Calls the other guy a great man, and a hero, and hasn't called anything McCain has done a bad move? That won't stick in at least SOME undecided's minds? You bet your ass it will.

A ringing endorsement from Bill could indeed go a long way.

[tekisui]

57. Go a long way for whom? the Dems are the only people who are influenced

by Bill, and they are behind Obama. If anything, everytime Bill says something positive about mcPOW, a fundie likes mcPOW less.

Forget about Bill, he is not talking to you.

[Curtland1015]

62. I'm sure there is a large segment of the undecided voting public who liked Clinton...

...and are still unsure of Obama. This isn't helping them. As for Repigs suddenly saying... Clinton said McCain is a hero? Then now I instantly hate John McCain!!!

Sorry, it just isn't happening.

[tekisui]

64. Well, keep worrying about Bill, by all means.

I am not, and Obama is winning this.

[qwlauren35]

137. I'm afraid that you are wrong on that one.

Pennsylvania would have been a Dem state if Hillary had won. But now it's in play because they aren't comfortable with Obama. Maybe less experience, maybe race, whatever.

Pennsylvanians would be greatly influenced by a Bill Clinton who was 100% on board w/Obama.

[tekisui]

222. I'm not worried about PA:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_mccain_vs_obama-244.html

[Balderdash]

216. How many times in the debate did Obama say

"I agree with John"? More times than I thought was good but apparently he's trying to go for those Independents that Hillary had and that Bill can get for him and it worked.

[Carolina]

229. he would say I agree BUT...

and then go on to explain. I would have preferred for him to say: John has a point and then elaborate his position

[madfloridian]

44. I still think an apology is in order. He accused Dean of skewing the primary.

Bill Clinton's attack on the DNC

He accused the DNC of playing favorites, of throwing the primary. He never apologized, Floridians stll do not know the real truth about it, and Dean is not welcomed in Florida by the Dem leaders who were the real perpetrators of the primary debacle.

[Metric System]

127. Of course you do. How many fan letters has Dean received from you?

[madfloridian]

143. Bill Clinton and the FL Dem leaders lied about the primary. It should bother you.

And it doesn't. That tells all I need to know.

[Metric System]

157. You're mad, alright. If it was so awful, Obama shouldn't have had the delegates fully restored.

[madfloridian]

175. Here is my answer to your defense of the indefensible. They lied and accused.

Updated list of my journal postings about the Florida primary fiasco.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1906

Florida Democrats invade Georgia
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1905

Dean told not to plan a vacation in Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1902

Court decision on March 17 could determine who Democratic nominee is.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1897

Florida Democrats thought they would only lose "half" the delegates.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1903

Dean says FL and MI would not negotiate with the DNC...took it public
instead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1888

Florida, Michigan and the Jackasses That Over-reached
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1890

Tampa op ed: "Arrogance Cost Florida Chance To Influence Election"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1875

Terry McAuliffe wants to change horses in the middle of the stream.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1882

From instigator to victim. It was a Dem who introduced the early primary
bill in Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1829

How it began last August....how Florida Democrats began their propaganda war
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1819

Jeremy Ring (D-FL) said "relevance is more important than "partying" in
Denver.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1836

The worst part is that this very day FL Dems still shift blame....
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1870

Is Hillary's campaign being run as a "shadow DNC" for her benefit?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1883

More Florida shenanigans and more insults to Dean from that state.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1858

Think I exaggerate about Florida's attitude? Here's a county chairperson's
rant against Dean.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1827

Enough of this. Florida Democrats now threaten Dean and the DNC with a
"voting rights probe".
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1453

The "appropriate legal official" to "investigate" Dean and the
DNC...is...Gonzales.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1452

Nelson: "I will lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to
let them in."
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1455

Two summaries of the DNC committee ruling about Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1456

Florida sowed the seeds of a propaganda war against the DNC.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1458

Proof. Vindication. Both Florida parties did it for "relevance." From March.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1459

The latest Florida propaganda tactic here about attacking the DNC...local
email.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1460

Florida's Geller joked about his amendment: "sarcasm and audible laughter in
chamber"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1461

One Florida county is saying there will be further bloodshed. Much argument
here today.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1462

Florida Democratic Party website building anger toward the DNC
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1465

Democratic activist sues over loss of Florida delegates
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1466

"Dean was conciliatory and offered DNC help for the state"..hour long phone
call
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1467

Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1468

"Primary bully Florida ought to be ashamed"...four articles catch on to
Florida's primary ploy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1469

Bill Nelson today will file a bill for regional primaries...but first he had
to get your attention
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1478

Bill Nelson today: "DNC penalties unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1479

Carl Levin and Terry McAuliffe made a deal about primaries in 2004.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1483

Email from Florida DEC chairs saying not to give to the DNC or candidates.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1481

Pelosi says it is not Florida's fault at all. So if the speaker says it I
must be wrong.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1567

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary
that far ahead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1564

Details on how Florida worked with the GOP to set the early primary date.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1617

Nobody sued Terry McAuliffe when he said Michigan's delegates would not get
near Boston.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1638

Nelson and Levin of Michigan file the bill today. It's getting deeper
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1741

My postings about the heartbreak of the Florida primary fiasco.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1607

Florida Dems at convention have button that says "Screw Dean"...very classy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1608

Senate leader ponders suing 'rogue states' over primary
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1527

[Balderdash]

230. Oh no, now you've done it. Madfloridian is going to whip out

her links.

[liberalpress]

264. Great! Have you seen the SIZE of her links?

Woo-hoo!

[Alexander]

279. Maybe he was tired of all the crying from bitter Shillbots.

I know I am.

[ismnotwasm]

47. He did say

He'll do whatever he's asked to do. My problem is I never was a huge Bill Clinton fan, although it's morbidly fascinating watching an interview with an obviously intelligent, articulate and facile former president after 8 years of bush.

To me, he's always been like that, he has the ability to infer 3 things at once. Could be wrong, I suppose, but he doesn't surprise me with this bullshit.

[Carolina]

231. "do whatever he's asked to do"

sounded awful to me. He should have enthusisatically said he'll do whatever he can to assure a Democratic victory on November 4th.

It smacked of parsing words!

[DevonRex]

48. I have been told to just wait and that Bill will come through. When

will that happen exactly? Now is when he is on TV constantly, on some news show or talk show or comedy show. And he hasn't fully supported Obama in any of his appearances. Are people trying to tell me that he's gonna do all these shows again and change his tune? Of course not. These are opportunities lost forever.

And even if he DID do these shows over again before the GE, he would be called on his change in attitude. The talking heads might not be the best journalists in the world, but they certainly know how to call Bill out if he changes his story.

[secondwind]

50. am I the only one who thinks he did very well today (compared to earlier in week)?

Clinton definitely portrayed Obama as "having the sense and the ability to predict"

"unlimited potential"

Clinton also said that Obama has been honing his message and his platform, and that it was better and better.

Overall, I was damn happy to hear this.

[DCBob]

56. I still want to give Bill the benefit of the doubt. Maybe this is a well thought out strategy...

First praise your enemy, get his confidence and his supporters confidence, then slam him to the ground and destroy him. More effective, no?

[DevonRex]

71. So you think Bill is gonna do all these shows AGAIN and THEN

slam McCain? If he did, wouldn't the hosts call him on the change? Of course they would.

[MadBadger]

68. Bill just threw black people under the bus.

[polmaven]

182. I didn't see the interview..

could you please explain exactly HOW Bill Clinton "just threw black people under the bus"?

[budkin]

69. SNL nailed it

[GoesTo11]

73. HuffPo has Clinton on Weekend Update posted

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/snl-anna-faris-sketches-t_n_129980.html

[AspenRose]

226. Wow.

*sigh* :-(

[AngryOldDem]

70. Stop making him the center of attention.

His day in the sun is over, and he's just not dealing very well with that reality.

His opinion means about as much as anybody else's.

I refuse to believe that Barack Obama's fortunes live or die at the whim of Bill Clinton.

[secondwind]

72. THE GUY WAS TERRIFIC TODAY!!! STOP IT!!!!

compared to previous comments.

you guys need to stop this.

[Lucky 13]

82. Compared to his previous comments? Not too hard to improve on those.

[Phx_Dem]

84. If you want to continue to defend this asshole, go ahead,

but don't presume to tell the rest of us how to react to his childish behavior. He reminds of McCain, refusing to acknowledge Obama at the debate.

You say,LEAVE BILL CLINTON ALONE!!! :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

I say, fuck Bill Clinton. :puke:

[secondwind]

108. I see how you feel, but did you see him today? I honestly can say

that Bill s upported our guy one hundred percent.

And don't forget Bill starts campaigning for Obama tomorrow, the 29th. I think he goes to FL, MI and I forget where else.


:kick:

[zulchzulu]

98. I don't fully support Bill Clinton, but I thought he supported Obama fully

The OP is full of shot and people are jumping on the nonsense without seeing the interview.

I watched the interview looking exactly for what the OP is lying about and Bill Clinton was firmly on Obama's side.

This is coming from someone who has been one of Bill Clinton's biggest critics during the Primary...

[polmaven]

186. Thank you. Coming from you,

this says A LOT! I said up thread that Bill Clinton could get a tattoo on his forehead to support Senator Obama, and some would complain about the colors of the tattoo.

[zulchzulu]

223. I really question whether my DU friends actually saw the MTP interview

Like I said, I watched to see if he was going to somehow give a tepid approval fo Obama and was very convinced otherwise... he made it certain that he supports Obama and even brought in how Hillary had told him that he should offer more support for Obama.

Just thinking that Bill Clinton is not on board based on misinformation is not honest. Let's keep it honest... right?

[polmaven]

242. Again, Thank you.

I have not seen it, and am, actually, sitting here listening to two men arguing on MSNBC rather than seeing the scheduled rerun of MTP. I guess they are waiting for the Leadership to make a statement.

Yes, you are completely right. When it isn't based on facts, but on assumption and misinformation, it is not only dishonest, but it can only be considered outright hate. That is not what we are about in the Democratic Party. "Let's keep it honest"

:hi:

[Lord Helmet]

303. since when did you start bending over for the Clintons?

It's like you just ended up accepting their crappy support of Obama because it's easier.

Just because they won't yield doesn't mean you should stop telling the truth.

[book_worm]

75. It's so easy for him to compliment McCain but so hard for him to compliment Obama

I hope he gets over this, but he's irrevelant anyway, Obama will win without him if need be.

[Colobo]

78. I don't give a damn about Bill anymore.

[tularetom]

83. If Obama loses and clinton's lack of support is perceived as a reason for the loss

Hillary is dead fuckin meat in 2012. Obama has energized a lot of young voters who will be very unforgiving toward the clinton's if they try to capitalize on a loss this year.

People have short memories but not that short.

Besides if McCain wins this year there may not be a 2012 election.

[Stop Cornyn]

91. Being married to Bill created Hillary and then, in the end, being married to Bill destroyed Hillary

Hillary and Bill are dead to many Democrats I know; in fact, almost every African American Democratic activist I know speaks of Bill with the same disgust and disdain that they used to reserve only for Lieberman.

[Name removed]

135. Deleted message

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[Carolina]

233. totally agree

I am one of them and I know many others. Bill has gone from sugar to shit!

[THUNDER HANDS]

92. he is pissed because the nation is in crisis and he has nothing to do

he soooooo wanted to be president during a real crisis, instead he was president during 8 pretty static years. A waste of intellect and talent. Had he ran 8 years later than he did, who knows how this country would look now.

[BlueIdaho]

93. Here's to Hillary Clinton

Her support for Barack is genuine and sincere. She has spoken eloquently about our candidate and my hat is off to her. I hope Bill's comments make her realize she needs to work twice as hard for Obama and do what she can to put a Democrat in the White House - THIS YEAR.

[Joe the Revelator]

94. Fuck Bill Clinton

Seriously.

[hell-bent]

102. Seriously,

fuck all you Clinton haters! You make me want to puke with your stupid remarks about the most recent and the best Democratic President since Kennedy. And, you think of yourselves as Democrats? P.S. Don't forget to get out of your dorms and vote on November 4th....

[Joe the Revelator]

139. You're silly....here's why

Lets tell it how it is old man, when I was a college student "living in my dorm" I was putting in 75 hours a week on democratic campaigns. In fact I took a year off of school to make sure that Mark Warner started to turn Virginia blue. So to answer you question, yes I consider myself a democrat. Do you? Or do you just worship one family?

Like I was saying....FUCK BILL CLINTON.

[hell-bent]

262. May I return the favor

of your last comment? And, fuck you Clinton haters! Junior, I have been voting and giving financial support to every Democratic nominee since Kennedy. If you were in college during Warner's campaign, you don't know jack-shit about the Clinton presidency other than what you viewed and heard on Faux News or radio jocks like Limpballs, or Savage. You were more interested in yourself and what you parents could give to you during those years. GMAFB!

[Joe the Revelator]

263. You are out of your mind

You don't know me at all. I'm glad you helped with your wallet, but I spent 7 years beating the streets for democrats when i didn't have any money. Now that I do, I'm still out walking streets. Get off your fucking high horse. You know jack shit about me, as evidenced by your assumption my parents gave me anything.

[hell-bent]

266. May I ask this question?

What benefit does it serve as a good Democrat to speak with vitriol of another Democrat? I consider: "Fuck Bill Clinton" as juvenile and caustic. Or, were you attempting to impress the rest of the Clinton haters with that macho crap?

[mitchum]

192. Fuck that noise; LBJ pushed through the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society initiatives...

DLClinton took NO progressive action

[DiamondKrosse]

310. hey man, check out this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7235823&mesg_id=7235823">it addresses a key anti-Clinton myth propagated by similar people

[zulchzulu]

97. Actually Clinton DID support Obama...

I watched looking for him to be soft on Obama and he was firmly in his camp. The OP is BS.

[Metric System]

136. Please don't interrupt this hate-fest with the truth.

[stillcool]

164. This is not a hate-fest...

I guess we here at Democratic Underground should not expect a Democrat to actually promote the Democratic candidate. Tell me, why is Bill doing the talkshow circuit. Just what is he promoting? It certainly isn't Obama.

[polmaven]

190. Ummm...

why is Bill doing the talkshow circuit. Just what is he promoting? Gee, maybe His foundation, its activities and its events?

Back when they had their meeting, it was said that once the initiative was over, THEN Bill would start campaigning for Barack. That is set to begin tomorrow!

Of course this is yet another hatefest.

[stillcool]

195. Why do you describe this as 'hate'?

Do you agree with Bill's assessment of the candidates? If so does that mean you are participating in a 'love-fest'?

[polmaven]

199. Oh, give me a BREAK!

Disagreeing is one thing! Have you READ some of the responses here? Just plain out and out HATE!

[stillcool]

203. Yes I have READ...

And no it is not pure out and out HATE. I think it is a natural response to being slapped in the face by a past leader of the Democratic Party. I would expect no less if Jimmy Carter were to do the same thing. Give me a BREAK.

[polmaven]

209. Then you and I have

VERY different definitions of the word HATE.

[stillcool]

210. Possibly..I don't actually HATE anyone..

Do you?

[Binka]

213. Jesus are you four? What is up with the hate shit?

You sound like a very unhappy toddler. Grow the fuck up. Really. You are trite and boring. Get a clue.

[msallied]

99. He's a creep. He's trying to keep his options open.

Like a true con-man, he wants to be able to take advantage of either administration by straddling the fence.

[Arugula Latte]

100. He's so arrogant.

I was stunned at his appearance on the Daily Show. He was so pompous and full of himself, and he was just spouting off, not really engaging in conversation with Jon, more like lecturing, and then he repeatedly put his hand on Jon's arm in a very aggressive gesture to literally take control and assert his dominance. It was disgusting. I'm so done with Bill Clinton. I wish he'd slink off and never return.

[hell-bent]

111. What would you know about Bill Clinton?

I would imagine that you were using acne prescriptions when Bill Clinton was fighting with the GOP and effectively running this country with a balanced budget and garnering world respect for this nation. Perhaps you remember Reagan more respectfully?

[Arugula Latte]

120. Yeah, no.

The reason I became a liberal at 14 is because of Reagan. That's actually in my DU profile. I despise Reagan and all he stood for and started.

I lived in DC in the early 90s and saw Clinton inaugurated in '93. I was full of hope that day. He did some good things as president, but he also sold us down the river on Nafta, the Telecommunications bill, welfare "reform," repeal of the Glass-Steagall act, and other of his "triangulation." Plus, he couldn't keep it zipped, and that probably cost Gore the election by making it close enough for them to steal.

Bill Clinton isn't all bad, but he has behaved reprehensibly in the primary season and post-primary season. It's like for him there was no other scenario that Hillary be installed as the nominee, in spite of what the voters wanted, and since his plan has gone awry, he can't get over it and is acting like a spoiled, petulant child. Hillary has had her moments, and I was furious with her during the primaries, but she has been far more gracious than Bill in the post-primary season.

[mitchum]

191. I imagine YOU were the one using some powerful hallucinogenics while Bill Clinton...

was rolling over for the gop with his piss poor triangulation.
I voted for that centrist piece of shit twice only because I knew that he was (just barely) the lesser of two evils.

[hell-bent]

238. You voted for that piece of shit twice? Pretty stupid!

You are as credible as a two-time voter for Clinton as Hannity. Cut the bullshit! Your hatred give you away.

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

245. Deleted message

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[hell-bent]

270. Are you insinuating that I am a Freeper?

I thought that was against the rules? Hiding their profiles? Are you so ignorant to believe what is contained in the profiles? Who checks for validity? You could be Sarah Palin for all I know.

[mitchum]

Were you insinuating that I'm a faux Democrat who only claims...

to have voted for the Democratic candidate in 92 and 96?
I believe you were, weren't you?
On second thought, you weren't insinuating...

[Balderdash]

282. I thought calling another DUer a newbie or a freeper

was against DU rules...

[mitchum]

293. Perhaps so, but that still doesn't mean it's not true

[tritsofme]

104. The Clinton haters are full of shit.

You people would be dragging him through the coals no matter what he says.

[HughMoran]

110. agreed

the turncoats here make me ill :puke:

[DevonRex]

115. Not at all. We would praise him just like we praise Hillary. SHE

has been wonderful. HE has not.

[donco6]

117. That's not true at all.

I've always been a big BC fan, up to a few months ago. Now I just find him increasingly irrelevant. It's sad.

[BrainStorm]

113. Obama called him a racist. I think Bill is still mad.

Obama trashed his whole career.

[DevonRex]

114. Obama did NOT call Bill a racist. That is UNTRUE.

[BrainStorm]

124. Sure he did. Or his campaign did, and that comes from the top.

I'm not excusing Bill, here. I'm just saying that if you have a man who has spent his entire life helping minorities and then, because of election politics, he gets called a racist, that guy will be pretty pissed.

[Starry Messenger]

131. Link? n/t

[BrainStorm]

142. Let's start here:

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=388x5583

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4022354&mesg_id=4022354

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6097295

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5947661

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5893706

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x375321

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5878433

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5079848

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4804729

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6111770&mesg_id=6111770

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=130254&mesg_id=130254

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4611323

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5713851

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5956658

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6181084

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5893989&mesg_id=5893989

www.journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/239

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5884492

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4059392#4059660

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5145290&mesg_id=5145290

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3208734

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4113768

[DevonRex]

147. Stop this shit. nt

[Starry Messenger]

149. Those are all DU posts.

I thought you had a press release from the Obama campaign in there. Why are you posting the opinions of DU-ers as "top down" Obama campaign strategy. I don't get it.

[DevonRex]

150. He's just trying to stir up the primary stuff again. I checked all the links, too.

And there's nothing in there to back up what he says.

[Starry Messenger]

153. I just checked them all again, too.

That's totally bizarre. To think that some poor newbie would get so angry about all that old history here. Must have a lot of free time.

[Raineyb]

160. You are completely full of shit

None of those links support your assertion.

Fucking pathetic!

:thumbsdown:

Regards

[LowerManhattanite]

170. Doesn't one need a donor star to use the search function on DU?

Just wondering. I mean, it's not like a person would have an alternate or second account or anything, right?

[Starry Messenger]

177. Curiouser and curiouser.

That's what I thought. I just donated for the first time in Feb this year and I love the search function.

[DevonRex]

144. Neither he nor his campaign called Bill a racist. Might want to

check your facts before you post untruths.

[Cosmic Charlie]

118. what's the difference between acting like a racist, and being a racist? .....nothing

Obama never called Bill anything. Bill brought it all upon himself by acting like a racist.

[BrainStorm]

125. How did Bill act like a racist?

I never heard him denigrate Obama's race.

[backscatter712]

130. I guess you need a better hearing-aid.

You didn't hear Bill Clinton's dog-whistling during the primaries, did you?

[BrainStorm]

138. What dog whistles? (And hearing aids don't enable you to hear dog whistles.):)

:rofl:

[backscatter712]

151. The most famous example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqd2dfjl2pw

[nam78_two]

121. Obama called Bill a racist?

I guess I missed that..
Oh wait, it never happened :eyes:...

[BrainStorm]

132. It did happen. Bill felt it necessary to assert that he WASN'T a racist!

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/4/114224/8113

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[Raineyb]

237. Just because he felt the need to assert he wasn't a racist doesn't mean he was called one n/t

Regards

[DevonRex]

148. He's shit stirring. Can't even back it up with links to anyone in

the Obama campaign.

[onefreespiritedchick]

318. Exactly. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

146. He never did anything close to the sort

BrainFart.

[stillcool]

201. Wow...I missed that..

when did that happen? I remember this stuff...How about you?


December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-t...
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary.


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/in...


COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

[samsingh]

116. Hillary can run for President in 8 years - she'll only be 68

[Balderdash]

172. Hey Hillary don't forget to pick up your consolation prize. nt

[onefreespiritedchick]

119. I missed MTP and will have to watch later. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

133. Bill, go to Vegas, get yourself a whore, and drop from sight until after Election Day

The SNL Bill Clinton parody was devastating and on target, as was Chris Rock on Letterman.

[PBS Poll-435]

140. What a rational and well thought-out post!

[oxymoron]

152. Fuck you, Bill

Take your gigantic ego and go fuck yourself. I spent far too many years defending you. I am extremely disappointed that you have become such a petty, self-serving ass.

[hell-bent]

163. How many years?

Defending him? What against the rabid GOP? Or, perhaps you believe a BJ is good reason for the Whore Rethug House to impeach him? Lying? GMAFB! Bill Clinton retired from office with the one of the largest number of positive poll numbers in recent times. You shouldn't watch Faux News or listen to the Pigboy to get your knowledge about Clinton. P.S. Go Cheney yourself,Junior!

[Balderdash]

173. Yay! I think I love you... nt

[oxymoron]

302. What the hell are you talking about?

Lifelong Dem here and yes, defending him against a barrage of ridiculous attacks. Not sure where you got all the rest of your assumptions, but whatever. I have absolutely had it with Bill. Unless he can step up and do what is right for this country and wholeheartedly endorse out current nominee, he should just STFU.

[LWolf]

154. So am I.

He's got my vote, but his positions on issues make it tough to be any more than tepid.

I'm not now, and have never been a fan of Bill Clinton, either, although I voted for him twice.

[DiamondKrosse]

156. well when the other side

did everything they could to make you into a racist and dishonour your legacy, you probably wouldn't harbour any love for them. Its called self-respect.

[BlooInBloo]

158. BWAHAHAAH!!!!! "I guess the primaries are over" is a one-way street.

[Starry Messenger]

159. Links?

I need to see this "everything they could". I have the day off so lay it on me.

edit: Oh, and no DU comment posts please as links. Legit news and press releases would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[hell-bent]

179. Link? Right from Obama's mouth!

Here you see Obama admitting that his campaign was passing out information that suggested that the Clintons were making racist remarks. Sure, he didn't condone those pamphlets....what else could he say? Are you telling me he didn't know about what was going on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXTz4owOMW0

[stillcool]

161. Poor Bill. So misunderstood..

it's nice that he 'respects' John McCain, and Sarah Palin, and George Bush Sr. I didn't realize until recently that to Bill the other side was the Democratic Party. As far as the racist bullshit that they started off their campaign with..what's too painful to remember is not so easy to forget.

[Starry Messenger]

162. No?

I guess you weren't really serious about this.

[DiamondKrosse]

166. please,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/read-obama-campaign-memo-_n_81220.html">this memo that Obama's camp released on how to accuse the Clintons of racism says it all. It spins the fairy tale comment, which Bill meant about his stance on Iraq, not him in general, implies just because the Clintons talked about drug use means they're racist, and because Hillary actually gave credit to LBJ for the political power above speeches which got civil rights thru. The fact that blacks were challenging members of congress in primaries because they didn't support Obama, or one of "their own" is a perfect example of playing the race card

[Starry Messenger]

176. I'm missing the part where it says "How to Accuse the Clintons of Racism"

Maybe it got cut off. The first two paragraphs say this:

"The Obama campaign recently prepared a detailed memo, obtained by the Huffington Post and made public elsewhere, listing various instances in which it perceived the Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary.

The memo, which can be found below, is organized around five incidents in which either Clinton, her husband Bill, or campaign surrogates, are said to have made comments that could be interpreted as racially insensitive."

And then it describes those events. I guess I'm not seeing what you are seeing. Thank you for posting a link though.

[LowerManhattanite]

184. Note how the two “no profile” spin-meisters both went with...

...the same talking point within minutes of each other. LOL.

Earn them “McCain points” kiddies! :)

[Starry Messenger]

185. It's a little like sychronized swimming.

Maybe I'll start keeping score.

[hell-bent]

194. Keeping score?

On the number of individuals on this post that are spitting their venom on Bill Clinton,a former Democratic President? Did the word "Democratic"sink in? Perhaps you should observe what Reagan said in his "11 Commandment" and apply it to our Party.

[Starry Messenger]

198. Sorry #194. I have you on ignore.

I would take you off to reply to you but it's such a long list we'd both be dead of old age by the time I found you on it. But I just wanted you to know so you could save your energy for someone who can read your posts. Have a nice day.

[hell-bent]

220. And from a person who demanded links.

And, when given a link, there was silence. WTF.

[Starry Messenger]

248. I didn't ask you. But thanks. I looked at it.

I didn't feel it asserted what you said it asserted. I asked for links because I dislike "truthiness".

http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2789

[hell-bent]

267. Ha,ha,ha,ha,,,,,

[hell-bent]

189. Well, who precipitated all this nastiness?

Is there any question on which surrogates started this bickering? It was the fucking Clinton haters! Why do they want to keep bringing up their contempt for Bill Clinton? What purpose does it serve? Does it help Obama in this coming election? The majority of them I would suspect are not "dry behind the ears" and have never cast a vote for a Democratic presidential nominee. Political punks! Or, they have some other political motive.

[Balderdash]

234. And what are you and the rest of the Clinton haters doing?

Damn, hypocrisy much?

[Name removed]

241. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[endthewar]

183. It lists questionable actions by various politicians to play the race card

It's not accusing the Clintons of racism at all.

[Balderdash]

235. That memo was sent out to the MSM and the Obama

campaign let them do the dirty work which of course the MSM was more than willing to do, ratings and all. And folks like you just ate it up without thought.

[Starry Messenger]

It's the first time I've ever seen it.

So I'm a little testy at the implication. Plus, I never posted in here during the primaries, so please don't include me in the "folks". I realize you weren't replying to me but I felt a whisk of the broad brush there. Thank you in advance.

[Balderdash]

254. I've seen you on these Clinton-hate threads demanding links

like you know that Bill Clinton is Satan himself so I guess I assumed that you were part of the daily crew. BTW, you demanded a link from a poster above and when the poster provided a link you told the poster they were on ignore. Looks kind of weird to me.

[Starry Messenger]

258. Maybe I missed. I thought I was talking to DiamondKrosse.

Then someone else answered me, who was on ignore. I thought I replied to myself so they could at least see a response.

And as for asking for links, I try to be polite. I certainly do not think Clinton is Satan himself. If I thought that I would have posted a link backing up my claim. :) I felt some posters here were making extraordinary assertions and I felt they needed backing up with firm evidence. I know we consider DU our own little world, but it comes up a lot in google searches by people who might not know what goes on in here.

Sorry if I messed up the thread.

[endthewar]

269. Don't apologize to that jerk.

It's obvious that you're trying to be a nice person and have a good conversation, while the other poster is still hung up on the primaries.

[Name removed]

283. Deleted message

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[Starry Messenger]

285. Well "You know nothing about me" either.

I didn't ask anyone to stick up for me. I have nothing to defend. I asked questions and I was polite. "Seems to be enjoying the hate fest" is the kind of internet clairvoyance that I can't stand. Sorry I tried to engage you. A mistake on my part it seems. I'm sorry you spent your Sunday getting so upset.

[endthewar]

268. Blacks knew what Hillary was doing when she dropped the Farrakhan bomb in that debate.

Preying on the fears of white Americans. We understood that she was just trying to win, but it was a disrespectful low blow. Now, Bill Clinton is out on the news networks doing his best to make sure that everybody knows that he still has reservations about Obama. We get it Bill. You're jealous that Obama cut in line and stole the nomination that should have been a Hillary coronation.

[genna]

315. Yoh have 4 instances of racially tinged dog whistles

but they are not proof.

What would you need, a tree, a noose, and a burning cross? What qualifies?


I'm not saying Bill Clinton is a racist. Chris Rock had it right on Larry King. If it is "the Blacks" or your wife, who would you choose? He made a rational choice.

So did the rest of it. If choosing not to love the person who chose someone else over me is picking one of my own, then I choose my own.

But I continue to why it is okay that all these years I've been picking someone who is not black like has been JUST FINE!?! I thought they were one of my own because they were a Democrat, but evidently that is not good enough for people who won't let the primary loss go. Now I have to take a loyalty test as a black person.

Way to defend the indefensible.

[jenmito]

169. Last night's SNL skit with Bill Clinton (Darrell Hammond) was right on! Did you see it? n/t

[endthewar]

187. Link!!!!

This sounds good. :popcorn:

[jenmito]

196. I'll look for it.

Hold, please. :)

[endthewar]

197. Thanks!

Very much appreciated. :hi:

I saw Chris Rock on Letterman after Bill Clinton. Absolutely hilarious! :rofl:

[jenmito]

214. Sorry, but I can't find it, even on the site the posters below pointed me to...

but here's a link that USED to have it. Maybe I'm just missing it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/snl-anna-faris-sketches-t_n_129980.html

[malik flavors]

206. just google search snl. the video is on the nbc website.

[Raineyb]

208. Reply #73 has a link to the Huffington Post where you can see the video

but I've included it for speed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/snl-anna-faris-sketches-t_n_129980.html

Regards

[jenmito]

215. Thanks for the link, but I can't see it on there even though it SAYS it's on there.

:shrug:

[endthewar]

249. Works for me. Make sure you have javascript turned on.

Check to see if youtube videos work for you with your browser settings.

[jenmito]

250. OK. Thanks!

:hi:

[endthewar]

251. No problem. Let me know if you still have troubles.

I'm pretty good with computers. :hi:

[LaPera]

178. If McCain win's he's left with Bush's financial mess far worst then we are told opens the door for

Hillary in 2012.

[Hope08]

207. I'm with you

As other posters have commented, Clinton's inability to give unequivocal support to Obama is embarrassingly comical (as SNL showed last night).

It must really bother Clinton that history will treat him as a minor President -- no reflection on his abilities as a leader, which are substantial, but on the ordinariness of the times in which he led -- while Obama, because of the way he completes the circle of the Civil Rights movement (narrowly) and (more broadly) "solves" the foundational problem of race (what Condoleeza Rice called, aptly, I thought, "America's birth defect") will be a studied President 75 years from now, no matter what he does.

S'ok, Clinton's pronouncements will have zero negative effect on the race. Indeed, his tepid support may even bring a few undecideds around, since he is plainly not being partisan, while still saying that Obama is the better candidate on the issues. Whatever else they think about him, many apolitical folks see Clinton as an expert on bread-and-butter economic issues and take his opinion on those questions seriously.

[NoodleyAppendage]

228. If his media presence was supposed to be about the Global Initiative, then he could refuse to answer

The point is Bill is sitting on the fence hoping in his conscience less heart that Obama loses so Hillary can mount a run in 2012. The Clinton's care more about power than the party or our country.

J

[Balderdash]

240. You people demand that Clinton, both of them and their

supporters better help get Obama elected or what, you're going to say rude things? I'm voting for Obama but I'll tell you as someone who admires our only Democratic President in 50 fucking years that kicked ass as President, your nastiness towards Bill AND Hillary makes me wish that I weren't a good Democrat. You don't do our candidate any good with this bullshit or our party with your divisive behavior.

Bill Clinton is doing the very same thing that Obama is doing. Maybe you guys should actually watch or listen to what was said instead of taking some random person making a post and telling you what was said.

[hell-bent]

246. But, aren't you making too much sense?

Do these "punks" really think they are helping Obama by showing their hatred and contempt for Bill Clinton? What purpose does it serve other than to satisfy their juvenile satisfaction that: "Hey, we won! Let's stick it to those Hillary supporters.".....snot-nosed jerks.

[Raineyb]

247. Worshiping at the Clinton altar is not a prerequisite to being a good Democrat

And Clinton wasn't that great. He was okay. Way too triangulating and too willing to take up GOP foolishness. He did run as a progressive in 92 after all and considering the difference between what he ran as and how he governed there are plenty who feel as though they were a victim of a bait and switch but as good Democrats voted for him again anyway.

You don't sound very mature with your constant name calling BTW so I'm not sure if you're really in a position to call people punks, juvenile, or snot-nosed.

Regards

[Balderdash]

256. Take a look up thread at some of your compatriots

where did the name calling start? Someone up there said something to me about screwing nutrias, quite the debating tactic and kind of leaves you without a leg to stand on, at least as far as name calling goes.

[Name removed]

272. Deleted message

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[Balderdash]

284. I didn't pick a fight, that was already in progress.

I know that you think you're clever but god damn and I believe you're the wit that made the nutria comment too. Batting a 1000 there Sport!

[LowerManhattanite]

287. Don't burst a blood vessel there, kiddo...

And while you're at it, dial back the *“F*ck yous!” towards other DU'ers. It's unbecoming and against DU rules.

LOL @ your crazy over-the-topness, though.

You are entertaining...I'll say that much! :)

(ON EDIT: The mods seem to have handled your loony eruption of potty-mouthness—or at least PART of it.) :)

[Raineyb]

276. Actually, if we're going to be accurate,

it started with someone saying "Fuck You Clintons" which 1. is not exactly a new phenomena on this board and 2. not directed at anyone in particular on this board. Then your friend, the one to whom the post was directed, started getting personal. The posts are right above why am I doing something you could easily have done for yourself?

Regards

[Balderdash]

288. Are you talking to me? I don't know anyone here well

enough to call them "friend" so I'm not sure what the fuck you're trying to imply or say. When I see bullshit I call it, doesn't have to be a friend. This whole thread is bullshit and these type threads show up every day, with the same loons saying the same crap.

[Raineyb]

290. I replied to your post did I not?

Are you fucking daft or something? Look, you're being way too literal here. I'm using friend rather loosely the way you've used compatriot or are you the only one here allowed to take liberties with the language? These threads as you've complained only show up when Bill Clinton shows up on the TV with one of his half-assed, damning with faint praise, McLame praising, pseudo-endorsements of Obama. Now if you have a problem with that may I suggest you use the ignore thread feature so you can go about your day without being bothered by seeing a viewpoint that may not agree with yours? Because otherwise you're going to make yourself miserable and I don't think there's going to be any people willing to apologize to you for that.

Regards

[hell-bent]

257. And Clinton wasn't that great.

Well, I don't know what you were doing during those times; however, I remember the eight years of prosperity, fiscal responsibility, and a foreign policy that was conducive in garnering respect from most of the Western world. What bait and switch tactics do you speak of? Perhaps you bought into the constant attacks from the Reich-Wing and were gullible into believing those lies and distortions? Can you explain his popularity polls and his high standing among most historians? When was the last Democrat President elected for a second term? I guess you would have rather had a Rethug in the White House during those years,right?

[dflprincess]

274. For progressive Clinton was a disappointment

He caved to the Republicans on a number of issues including welfare "reform" and his administrations half-assed attempt about doing anything about healthcare. And, he helped set the stage for the economic mess we're in by not trying to stop the continued deregulation of the banking industry. In fact he signed the bill in 1999. In the end it became clear that Bill Clinton was really only concerned with Bill Clinton. And his behavior toward Obama has only underlined that.

I am not besotted by Obama, but he will certainly be an improvement and is a better choice then McCain. If Bill Clinton actually cared about the country he'd see that and put his personal disappointment aside.

[Raineyb]

275. Thank you

You've certainly taken the words out of my mouth.

Regards

[AwakeAtLast]

244. Does anyone not think this is strategy?

The right leaners don't want Obama to get too buddy-buddy with the Clenis and enjoy a little 'infighting'. I'm beginning to think it's all an elaborate plan.

:shrug:

[QC]

253. Well, it does seem that whenever McCain is getting his ass whipped,

the usual suspects always rush to DU to post about fifty anti-Clinton hatefests.

Kinda makes me wonder sometimes.

[mtnsnake]

260. Yup, same here, QC. It's a little more than obvious

[Balderdash]

265. I t really does make you wonder

the vitriol is so over the top.

[QC]

277. Yeah, but you don't have to wonder much

to know what's going on here. It's perfectly transparent.

[polichick]

259. Fortunately, few take their cues from him anymore - it's too obvious that he's bitter.

[TheKentuckian]

261. I thought he was fine today

I didn't see anything worth stirring the pot over at all.

[Skip Intro]

273. Oh, all it takes is the mere mention of that dreaded word, "Clinton." You've heard of pavlov's dogs?

[AZBlue]

280. Since he can't say anything nice, he should just STFU.

Bill, stay home until November 5th.

[Bensthename]

286. ahh, just sour grapes on Bill's part. He stumped up to 7 times a day for Hillary,

He'll get over it.

[Imagevision]

289. Do to Bill what was done to Sarah - ignor him...what can he do then?

[DiamondKrosse]

291. Obama didn't show him honor

in the primary, and tried to trash his legacy. Why would Bill Clinton embrace him after that?

[Starry Messenger]

292. Oh dear. n/t

[mitchum]

295. Progressively speaking, Bill Clinton does have a piss poor legacy

Obama was speaking the truth
But we all know that Bill Clinton has a wee bit of a problem with the truth

[LowerManhattanite]

297. You people truly are the gift of humor that keeps on giving. LOL. n/t

[Lord Helmet]

304. time for Bill to kiss Obama's ring

[DiamondKrosse]

305. absolutely NEVER

Bill was President before Obama was in the state house. Obama was "community organizing" when Bill was President during his first term.

[Lord Helmet]

306. oh yeah it's time -- Obama is the leader of the democratic party now

[DiamondKrosse]

307. Obama's not only not the President,

he hasn't won two terms. Only then will I think about what you said, but that will never happen. Bill Clinton "changed the electoral map" by bringing us states like PA, CA, MI, DE, MD, CT, NH, VT, ME, and NM which we nearly all of which we always would lost from 1968-1988. now, those states are expected Democrat states. Obama's playing off the Clinton additions plus maybe Colorado or Ohio.

[elkston]

311. "That will never happen". Meaning, you don't want him win or be re-elected.

Please go back to PUMA-land. I'm alerting the mods now.

[progressiveforever]

294. I like Bill Clinton, but he isn't helping

[blue_onyx]

298. I wish Bill wasn't being so bitter

I have defended the Clintons in the recent months but he has made it hard to back him up. I'll still defend Hillary though...she's doing a great job for Obama. Doesn't Bill realized that Hillary can still fulfill her dream of being president? She can still run in 2016 when Obama has finished his two terms. She'll have 8 more years of experience working with Obama as a US Senator to improve the country. I believe Hillary has realized that we need to get Obama elected and her goal of being the first female president needs to be put aside for now...I just wish Bill could come to terms with this too.

[1Hippiechick]

299. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer " rings true here, don't you think?Obama is NOT naieve

[SIMPLYB1980]

300. Bill's doing great. LMAO! At the trolls and the people who don't "get it".

[rpannier]

308. Should have watched him on the Daily Show

He had a lot complementary things to say about Obama

[barack the house]

309. Let's be cool about Bill Clinton he'll come around with time and will be helpful in an Obama >

administration.

[Barrymores Ghost]

314. You'd think Bill would be more respectful of someone paying off Hillary's failed campaign debt.

Go figure.

[Beacool]

316. Same old thing, different day.

It's getting tiresome to see the almost daily Clinton bashing threads.

Bill Clinton will do his duty and campaign for Obama, he is not obligated to like the guy.