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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:38 AM
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Looking at the electoral map this morning...the fraud factor
Examining this morning's electoral vote map at http://www.electoral-vote.com it occurs to me that the Republicans might just not be able to steal this one.

The map this morning is about as bad for Obama as it's likely to get, right after McCain's convention bounce and before the debates. As of this morning, Obama has 281 electoral votes and McCain has 230.

The interesting thing? That's with most of the likely sources of fraud already out of the picture. Ohio is already going for McCain on this map, and Florida is a toss-up.

If we give Florida to McCain, Obama is leading 281 to 257. If we give up Colorado (where the election head mysteriously "retired" recently causing some here to suspect fraud in the making) then it's Obama 272, McCain 266, and still a win.

Now let's discuss North Dakota. This map gives it to Obama 43%-40%. Historically, however, the Dakotas don't vote for Democrats nowadays, so we should take it out of play. That gives us a 269-269 tie, and with the Democrats holding a majority of Congressional delegations, Obama should win the House vote 26-24. (I'll offer thoughts on that, and some possible scenarios, in another post later on when I've had a chance to look at more numbers.)

The remaining Obama states that could be flipped? Unlikely. With the map at what should be its worst, Nevada is still going for Obama, and I doubt that the state is going to vote for a President who vows to dump nuclear waste in Yucca Mountain as McCain has.

Pennsylvania: Designated "barely Democratic." But, since the days of Ike, the Keystone State has only voted Republican in the landslides of 1972, 1980, 1984, and the Dukakis debacle of 1988. It was stubbornly for Gore and Kerry, and with the economy in the tank should stay for Obama. I really doubt this one's going to be close enough to steal (especially with massive registration and GOTV drives in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia).

New Mexico: we hold a 9 point lead, and with new registrations should hold it against any fraud.

New Hampshire: shouldn't be as close as the map says it is, especially with the Shaheen/Sununu senate race. Although historically Republican, it was a Kerry state and a Clinton state, and I think we can count on this one, but I'll still leave it in the "barely" column.

No other state on the map should conceivably flip away from Obama before election day. Virginia may swing to Obama, but since it's McCain's on this map, I'll leave it out of contention.

There you have it: to win this one, the Republicans have to steal Colorado and New Hampshire, and North Dakota has to legitimately flip back to McCain. If they can steal Colorado but not New Hampshire, it goes to the House and an Obama victory. If they can steal New Hampshire but not Colorado, Obama wins 274-264.

With a good performance in the debates, and a lot of hard work on our part in campaigning and GOTV, this one should still be ours.

Don't be discouraged, but remember: fight like you're 15 points down, even when you're 15 points up. Let's get out there and win this one.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:46 AM
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1. Republicans may not be able to steal this election because they are not the omnipotent entity
that many seem to make them out to be. Obama doesn't do cowering and neither should we. Just because Republicans are good at suppressing the vote and stealing doesn't mean that we are powerless to stop them because if they succeed again in stealing an election, then free elections as we know them in this country are over.
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:17 AM
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2. Here In Dayton Ohio......
We have just received our form for absentee ballets.
The funny thing is we didn't request them. But we are VERY HAPPY to vote absentee so there is a proper paper record of our votes!!! Ohio's Secretary of state Jennifer Brunner is all over this election, trying to insure there are no repug shenanigans.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:31 AM
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3. Be Careful...
I'm not sure about Ohio, but in some states you are required to have a legitimate reason to vote absentee. If you receieved these absentee ballot forms unrequested, you should make sure this isn't some republican backed scheme to get your vote thrown out on a technicality.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:31 PM
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5. Your point may warrant it's own thread. n/t
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:34 PM
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6. it's its
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:37 PM
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7. Oh, damn. n/t
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:03 PM
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9. its OK
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:23 PM
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10. She has been the best....
for exposing voting systems vulnerability. I wish we had more like her.
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markbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:06 PM
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4. 'Nuff Said...
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:55 PM
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8. I would say MI is more of a risk than PA.
I would say MI is more of a risk than PA.

The good news is for MI to even matter McCain has to
1st) keep all states he already has (even some leaners like VA)
2nd) pull back some states like ND & CO.
3rd) then make a run on MI.

I call that a LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG shot.
If Obama takes a state (step 1) then he loses.
If he can't get ND & CO then he loses.
If he does all that but Obama is able to fortify MI (lots of stops and $$$$$ and ground game) he loses.

McCain is drawing to an inside straight and Obama has three of a kind w/ shot at full house.
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:13 PM
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11. Well I hate to say it But Obama needs to wake up!!!!
I watched the local news cast and the world news 4 FOUR!!!! mcCain campaign commercials.
Not one Obama commercial anywhere in sight. for the last three nights on the local stations.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:28 AM
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12. Where? In MI or PA? n/t
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:05 AM
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14. Ohio!!!
Dayton Ohio.
I just sent in my request for an absentee ballet.
On the advice of the members here at the D.U.(Thank You btw) I did call the local democratic party to be sure of its authenticity.
Considering my husband and I hadn't actually asked for one.
It's all real and above board.
While I had them on the phone I told them they could" Blitze" my yard with campaign signs as long as I got an Obama one too.
Ohio's Democrat secretary of state Jennifer Brunner is not about to let the Republicans get away with any voter disenfranchisement this election.
Gawd I really love that woman!!!!

STILL The Obama campaign is MIA on the local net works here!!!! That is a LOSING proposition!!!!! This is a swing State!!!
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smoochpooch Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:41 AM
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13. New Mexico looks like it may be closer than thought, at least in the new poll.
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