High School bully lines are not going to win the game for us.

[Control-Z]

Obama is sounding like a democratic version of GWB. Lipstick on a pig? Please. Someone needs to sit him down and have a talk with him. We, Dems, don't need school yard bully tactics. We have honest issues to stand on and Obama is not standing up for them. :wtf:

Pissed or not, a presidential figure should not resort to the sophomoric behavior that Obama is displaying. Someone, please, talk to the man, or we'll be dealing will a McCain/Palin presidency for the next 4 to 8 years.

I know it's not popular to say something like this - but I can't help it. It is the truth.

[GrizzlyMan]

1. Your concern is noted

[Control-Z]

10. What an attitude.

wow

[GrizzlyMan]

Sorry, but your lambs to the slaughter attitude is a loser

Believe what you want, but lying down and playing nice for the Repugs gets you beat every time. Obama was tough today. Sorry if toughness offends you, but some of us don't want to see a new war in Iran and continued destruction of the middle class.

[clevbot]

175. ha

[Labors of Hercules]

118. He wasn't talking about Palin.

He was talking specifically about McCain's ECONOMIC POLICIES.

Do you just believe all the phony outrage you hear and join right in, or what?

[Beaverhausen]

2. How did you feel when McCain said it about Hillary Clinton?

It's an old phrase and has nothing to do with calling someone names.

[Control-Z]

5. So we've become

the equivalent of the repugs?

[Beaverhausen]

8. I repeat- it's an old saying - Obama wasn't bullying her. Did you see his whole speech?

[democracy1st]

84. i don't give a dayum what we become "We better win" I've yet to hear the

Obama campaign talk about Abramoff,US attorney firings,corruption,unqualified hirings

[Control-Z]

117. I guess I should have included in my OP

that I've been waiting to hear about the issues that really matter. I just feel like Obama is, at this point, feeling backed into a corner and is reacting to that, instead of staying on message.

[LanternWaste]

91. Which is precisely why I lay off this stuff

"...the equivalent of the repugs?"


Which is precisely why I lay off this stuff. Although I realize that both sides have their fair share of individuals with a bottom-feeding, "win-at-any-cost" mentality, and believe pandering to the lowest common denominator makes or breaks a campaign, I myself believe that integrity and honor on both a personal and a political level (e.g., Jimmy Carter's win in '76 or Kennedy's in '60) is more valuable to ourselves and our party in both the long run and the short run.

That I'm associated with the Leech Strategy by proxy saddens me to a degree, as I feel that the longer we continue with this Win-At-All-Cost strategy, we'll be forced to see the enemy in our very own mirror.

That I don't believe playing dirty will either win or lose the election for the Dems puts me in a minority-- but that same isolation often happens when we prioritize our integrity and honor over that of playing the game dirty.

It's tough to argue this kind of thing with people who believe "OMG! playing nice cost us the elections!!1!" and subscribe to the simplistic post-hoc-ergo-prompter-hoc fallacy. My suggestion to you would be simply to hold onto your integrity, but don't waste your time with those who are willing to throw theirs away.

[Control-Z]

120. I reacted.

Something I haven't done since back in January sometime. I've stayed out of the mud slinging for good reason but broke my own rule last night in a moment of weakness. It is unfortunate that an open discussion is no longer possible. Though, I have to admit, I could have couched my position in gentler terms. I appreciate your feedback.

[scheming daemons]

3. Yeah.... President Kerry did exactly what you want in 2004....

Oops.

[Colobo]

9. Obama is playing Hardball... Chicago Style...

[anonymous171]

But he looked so presidential! How could people not vote for him!?

[Control-Z]

54. Ahh! True. n/t

[ben_meyers]

26. Ah, but Kerry was being nuanced when he

said, "If you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

He got the word out to the fundies about the daughters disgusting behavior in a smooth way. Obama did the same thing, He can even say it wasn't intentional now, but the word is still out about Palin being a pig.

Like Lakoff says, you have to frame the debate.

[politicasista]

115. I think we should stop the

Kerry comparisons. No, I am not a whiner, attention seeker, or a concern troll, but as everyone has said. The big difference is that Obama has Democrats standing with him and unified more than before.

Neither Kerry or Gore got as much Dem surrogate support as Obama is getting. It is because we are in the middle of war, natural disasters, and economic hardship (economy, foreclosure, you name it). People were not ready in 2004, nor 2000. 2008 has awaken many people who agree with us and Obama that "Eight is Enough" period.

[rosesaylavee]

132. Amen.

Thank you for saying that. And I would add, again, that both gentlemen won those elections as proven by election fraud in Ohio, Florida, etc.

[politicasista]

176. Thanks

I so hope that the election fraud in Ohio, Florida, etc. will be proven one day. :hi:

[Clio the Leo]

4. but they keep us entertained on the way! ;) NT

[Control-Z]

65. Ah, yes,

don't the media just love it? Makes for great TeeVee, huh?

At least we know someone is doing exactly what was planned.

[flamingdem]

6. It's an everyday phrase. Don't worry about it Obama knows what he's doing

na na na na naaaaaaaaaa!

[knixphan]

58. ditto.

[PBS Poll-435]

7. After they have called Obama and Biden every name in the book.....

I see nothing wrong with the campaign trotting out an old-assed cliche.

Especially when Sarah has called herself a pit bull in lipstick on several occasions.

[anonymous171]

11. This is war not a fucking tea party. McCain's newest ad bascially called Obama a pedo

and you are worried that Obama is being too negative by calling McCain a pig?

[Control-Z]

17. It makes OBAMA

look bad. Don't you see that? He looks petty, and arrogant, like they've been saying. We, and he, are supposed to be above that.

[Beaverhausen]

20. You obviously didn't see his whole speech

you are relying on the MSM and McCain's spokespeople to define what was said. Nice work.

[Waiting For Everyman]

31. and "above that" means "elitist" to blue collars... that's a losing strategy

multiple ways.

[DevonRex]

110. Apparently YOU are not above it because you're spresding RW crap.

[AkFemDem]

12. Seeing as GWB DID win twice, I wouldn't be so quick to discard the methods

That said, there's a LONG way from high school bullying and someone using a common phrase like "put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig".

Lets get a grip here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. This place is unbelievable

You're the reason we lose. You.

[Control-Z]

19. Me?

Really? Wow. I had no idea I was so powerful.

[redstate_democrat]

23. I understand why you dance alone.

:eyes:

[writes3000]

27. Hey, we're all allowed to have our opinions here. I disagree with the OP's strongly.

But I haven't seen anything that suggests the OP is intentionally fighting against us.

No need to be personally mean. Just my opinion.

[Control-Z]

46. Thanks, writes3000

I hardly ever post here, but now I understand what all the fuss was about during primaries and the attacks they all talked about. Wow.

[me b zola]

71. I wish that you would post more often, you are a treasured member of the DU community

That said, I disagree with this particular OP. Obama is not being a bully. Obama is taking some scurrilous hits and for that the media is calling him a wimp. He needs to hit back, and this particular phrase that he used is red meat to most of us who are tired of McCain trying to paint himself as a maverick when he clearly intends to continue bush* policies.

Lipstick on a pig. That truly sums up the entire McCain campaign.

[Control-Z]

94. Hi, me b zola

I hate to see what appears to be Dems being backed against the ropes. But I guess I should have looked into/read up on that pig comment before I posted. I wasn't aware it had already taken legs when I posted and certainly would have known better than to fan the flames had I known. It was just an observation and my opinion. Palin is getting so much attention. I wish there was a way to just drop her name from the race altogether. You might be one of the only few members here who KNOWs I am sincere in how very much I mean that.

Good to see you.

[Control-Z]

48. You couldn't begin to know.

Please don't flatter yourself.

[alcibiades_mystery]

24. It's impotence that causes one to lose, not power

Just sayin'

[Hawkowl]

53. Yes, you and thousands like you.

You've obviously never had the shit kicked out of you for being nice. We're electing the most powerful person in the history of the world. Unfortunately, primates pick the toughest, meanest leaders when they are afraid. Not Jesus, Not Ghandi, Not MLK. They were all killed.

[Control-Z]

55. Seriously, in this one thread alone,

I've had more people tell me about my life and me then even I knew - all authorities, you are - and without even knowing me!

I've obviously never had the shit kicked out of me for being nice, because you say so. Oh, ok. Life's been good. Life's been grand. And consequently, I've learned nothing and know nothing about real life. Thanks for the tip. I'll try to be more grateful in the future and keep my mouth shut about anything of substance. Okey dokey then. Sorry about the sad experiences you must have had to have garnered all that superior knowledge. It must have been hard on you. My condolences.

[Hawkowl]

60. I meant literally

I'm not talking about the "slings and arrows" of life. I'm talking about someone punching you literally in the face while you are trying to be nice to them. If you had this experience, you wouldn't have this vague, theoretical idea of a bully. You would have a visceral reality.

These republicans would happily see you dead for an extra dollar. You can't change their mind by taking the high road. I respect your niceness. Whining about how nobody understands you is irrelevant. Now get out of the way and let the fighters preserve your highmindedness--it will be helpful later.

[Control-Z]

64. Like I said...

[blondeatlast]

77. You do a nice takeoff on Sanctimonious Sarah Palin. Congratulations.

But if you want to play politics with the adults, take off the victims sackcloth and ashes.

The gloves come off in GD/P.

[glancingthefuture]

190. No the OP is not. Obama needs to stay above the fray to be effective.

[Control-Z]

212. hmm...

:) Thanks. It is so hard to get a mutually beneficial point across here, if one doesn't agree with every word our nominee speaks. He's human. He will make mistakes. I want to see him improve and take the prize because of that, and because of our good (democratic) policy - not because a large group of people have blind faith in him. We've seen how that works out, all too well, over the past 8 years.

[writes3000]

14. Did you READ the whole quote? He was talking about McCain's positions and policies.

And I completely disagree with your assessment of the phrase. It is a colloquialism that average Americans understand.

Obama has to get the media to help him get the message out. McCain/Palin is the same as Bush/Cheney, no matter how you spin it or dress it up.

[jberryhill]

15. It's a common expression and quite the cliche'. Why is it a "bully line"?

[Control-Z]

28. Oh, something about

his tone of voice? He is better than that. Does he really need to demean that way? He's on my side and I felt embarrassed for him and for us.

[datopbanana]

30. you dont know what you're talking about dancer.

[jberryhill]

45. Did you see the whole thing in context?

You know, for everyone who thinks this was some sort of "strategery"... it looks to me like he was making extemporaneous comments on recycled GOP policies and resorted to an old cliche'.

Who or what was he "demeaning"?

He's used the line before. So has McCain. So have a lot of people.

Now, yes, Sarah Palin at the GOP convention used the metaphor of a dog with lipstick in reference to herself. If there's a "ploy" going on, it was an invitation to call her a bitch, but I'll tell you something.... my best friend, aside from my wife, is a mixed breed bitch that we adopted after it was found abandoned and injured, and I would never insult my dog by comparison with this lying idiot from Alaska.

[Control-Z]

51. Honestly, I wasn't even thinking

about him implying Palin at all. Or that is was some sort of strategy. He seemed more to be reacting. It was the sarcastic tone he has taken over the past few days that seemed out of place for a presidential nominee. It just bothered me. Usually sarcasm is a replacement for lack of something better to say - a kind of childish one up - a defense mechanism. Obama has plenty he could be talking about - all correct - all better then the republicans. We have it on all the issues. No sarcasm is needed.

[jberryhill]

67. I still don't see the sarcasm, or see it as a "reaction" to anything....

That clip is from a small part of a longer speech to that crowd. He wasn't "reacting", he was simply using a common shopworn cliche' in reference to re-packaging old Bush policies as McCain policies.

What is ironic about the situation is the GOP camp projecting their own sexism in their reaction.

But it is simply projection. There is no "there" there in the speech.

[DevonRex]

104. If you weren't even thinking about Palin then what the fuck is the problem?

Just go away.

[Control-Z]

112. I'm a Democrat

The race is too close for comfort - and you think I should just go away? There are people on the fence who might be willing to jump off on the McPalin side over just such a comment. I guess that is part of my point. I've seen Obama fall into this mode (sarcastic, cocky, demeaning) a few times, and it just makes me cringe. I don't feel like I can defend him because, to me, it (and the comment) seems in poor taste and below him.

The lipstick saying is an old one, I know. It's been used before in politics. I know that too. You all can insult me all day but it still doesn't change the fact that it was done in poor taste. The timing, the reaction from the crowd - the pause before the punchline, and Obama's delight in it all spoke volumes. I expect taunting like that from men of lesser worth.

I'm waiting for a loud and clear answer to the BS ad about Kindergarten sex ed, and abortion rights, and animal rights, and the environmental crisis. We are on the right side of every issue. Palin wants to drag us back to the 1950's. Na na na na na politics won't help, imo.

[DevonRex]

116. It's insulting to call his economic policy (that is JUST LIKE W's )

a pig with lipstick on it?????

The point is that McCain's economic policy is GWB's policy and that McCain is simply trying to SELL it differently. Thus the lipstick. The policy is the pig. The lipstick is the selling point.

There is no na na na na politics here. Obama is exactly RIGHT and he said it WELL. In addition, it exposed the RW attempts to create faux outrage and swiftboat with lies AGAIN.

[Not a robought]

16. Please explain

I see no bully tactics or sophomoric behavior. I see the the old guy's camp trying to scold the opponent for being 'Politically Incorrect™' over a straw man - oh my how times have changed.

[Ashy Larry]

18. Its actually an old expression in politics.

Torie Clarke, a long time adviser and former press secretary to McCain, even wrote a book called "Lipstick on a Pig: Winning In the No-Spin Era by Someone Who Knows the Game"
http://www.amazon.com/Lipstick-Pig-Winning-No-Spin-Someone/dp/0743271165

[Beaverhausen]

22. Good find!

[nam78_two]

36. No, no, no...

All of a sudden it is something that Obama came up with -don't you know? Nobody EVER heard that phrase used in politics before that SOPHOMORIC Obama used it...:sarcasm: :eyes:....


Some people on DU must think we are that stupid...Yeah sure, you people REALLY support Obama..

[JVS]

21. Plonk

[apocalypsehow]

25. Ah, we'll make out alright. Promise.

:eyes:

[Name removed]

29. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ruggerson]

32. Zingers are exactly what WILL win this election

stop thinking like an intellectual.

Most Americans vote for the guy who comes off as the tough, grinning high school bully.

Sad, but true.

[Hawkowl]

61. Beautiful soundbite motto!

I'm going to use it! Zingers are what's going to win this election.

[tpi10d]

33. well the pig and the fish thing passed my 85 year old mom test.

She called and was laughing about it this evening.

[nam78_two]

34. Wow

Yeah..sure..:eyes:

I echo an earlier poster (or 10) that said people like you are the reason we lose (if you are even a Democrat)....

[pot luck]

35. Huh?

How is it bullying to point out that McCain's change message is just putting lipstick (change)on a pig (his policies and campaign)? What is bullying, is McCain's campaign crying sexism every time anyone asks a question about Palin, accusing Barack and Gov. Patterson of playing the race card, and implying that Barack is a pedophile. Now THAT'S bullying.

[apocalypsehow]

38. The OP's having herself a little primary rehash, just pretending it's about something else. n/t.

[Control-Z]

50. Oh gosh.

You know me!! So glad we've met and you know my mind. (Sorry I don't recall you.) But you ARE the authority on all members here, aren't you? Don't be shy. Admit it. We'll all rest easier tonight knowing you are here to analyze our every thought. I know I will.

Wow. It must be great to be YOU!!

[GrizzlyMan]

52. Ding...Ding....We got a Bingo n/t

[dionysus]

75. pwn!!!

:rofl:

[Richard Steele]

76. You. Nail. Head. nm

[ampad]

87. Ahhhhh

I thought so but was not for sure.

[slinkerwink]

37. LOL! If you don't stand up for yourself, then you're a wimp.

Wow, your strategy won us the White House in 2000 and 2004.

[tpi10d]

39. also Kennedy compared Nixon to a circus elephant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXEkz6ksxdk

[BeyondGeography]

40. I've got Adlai Stevenson on the line for you

[knixphan]

59. lol!

[Baltoman991]

41. It's hard

to keep up around here.

One day I'm reading Obama is being to whimpy and the next when he attacks he's compared to Bush.

Really, what do you want from the man? By the way, he didn't call Palin a pig.

[Control-Z]

43. Didn't say a word about Palin. n/t

[writes3000]

42. So far the OP has yet to say whether they have seen the whole speech. Therefore...

It's kind of hard to have a real debate about this.

It may be a sign of how some people will react who only see the phrase said out of context.

Maybe but I do think it will get some people to ask themselves whether McCain's plans are the same old flawed policies of GWB.

[Control-Z]

44. God, so many people here are out of control.

I can't stand McCain. I can't stand Palin even more. She is dangerous, imo. She is everything I have fought against my entire life.

I heard Obama speak. I don't like it when he gets that defensive, sarcastic attitude. I don't think it helps him. In fact, I think it hurts him. It makes him sound like they sound. Just my opinion.

[writes3000]

56. So you don't like Obama's tone or sarcasm. Got it. It reads to me like plain speaking humor.

To each their own. I don't think there's anything close to bullying about it.

And he's got a long way to go before he catches up to the Republicans.

You'll say he shouldn't behave like them. I say it's important to show that he's willing to fight back with humor AND hard-hitting truths.

[TheKentuckian]

47. It's not sophomoric to call a spade a spade, my friend

It's a colloquialism. A forceful and hard hitting statement but far from gutter. Common perhaps but far, far from the gutter.

I'll be insanely pissed if Obama apologizes for what he said, he spoke truth. Truth that needed saying and no backstepping.If McCain is pissed let him cry like the spoiled, silver spoon, soulless, sell out, lying, small minded baby that he is proving to be.


The Viet Cong couldn't break him but the right wing of the Republican party and a hunger to be a greater man than his fathers snapped him to the core of his soul.

I'll pity him when he is no longer a threat to our nation and our future. It was the Republicans that took it out of a civil discourse on differing paths to a common goal and made it a war.

We will not sink to their level but we will forcefully call them out on their lies and as I said, call a spade a spade.

[Douglas Carpenter]

49. now this has truly got to be the downright looniest CRACKPOT post I have EVER read on DU!!

For three long decades at least, the GOP have engaged in the crassest name-calling and crudest character assassinations and grotesque position misrepresentations and outright LIES while Democrats play nice over and over again and LOSE MOST OF THE TIME!!

McCain can openly question Sen. Obama's patriotism and accuse him of intentionally harming America for selfish motives.

McCain can intentionally and treasonously put America and the whole world at risk for selfish partisan motives when he appoints a completely un-vetted, unqualified extremist loon as potential Commander in Chief of the strongest military power in the history of the world.

The McCain campaign can engage in the most outrageous and intentional campaign of lies, deceit and name-calling.

And we have so-called Democrats thinking Sen. Obama is playing too ruff!!

Sheesh!! the nutters who show up at this forum! :crazy:

I wonder what they will say if Sen. Obama does actually go on the offensive?

[Democat]

90. Nice post.

Tell it like it is!

[BigBearJohn]

57. Obama is using language the general populace can relate to. I see nothing wrong with his rhetoric.

[Hawkowl]

62. It is essential

He must use this language to connect with the average person. His entire background indicates he knows how to use this language. He just needs to disregard naysayers like the OP as campaign advisors.

[Reterr]

63. What the hell?

A mild barb like that gets you so bent out of shape? "Oh my, his nasty sarcastic tone!"

This post and all your responses in it are absurdly over the top. This just comes across as another effort to find fault with Obama and blow minor things out of proportion for no reason. It was a forceful if fairly standard stump speech attack and I am glad he did it. This thread just reeks of concern and not the good kind.

[Democat]

66. Highschool bullies have been winning for years!

Did you recently start following politics?

[tomg]

68. If we look at the analogy implicit

in the saying he employed, it is, in a sense, a compliment to Governor Palin and a comment on the Republicans.

"Putting lipstick on a pig." Here we assume that the pig is the Republican party, as evidenced by all of their inane and destructive policies. Therefore, the lipstick - the attempt to dress those policies up and make them more palatable is their "change" - Palin. As such, Governor Palin is not the pig, but is the lipstick. Why people seem to miss this is beyond me.

Let us say it is an infelicitous statement at its worst, due to the what the media would do with this, the gender normally identified with the use of lipstick and yadda yadda yadda. Okay

Obama's apology: "Sorry you missed my point - She is the lipstick. Your policies are the pig."

The guy is no bully. I am assuming that your "democratic version of GWB" is hyperbole only intended to kick this thread off.

[cali]

69. Yeah, moronic self-defeating shit isn't popular here. tough

and man, your post is stupid.

[paulk]

70. I think you're wrong

Obama - in fact the entire Democratic Party apparatus - needs to point out what a lying, cheating, thieving, hypocritical pack of assholes the Republicans are on a daily basis.

We have to stop playing defense.

We have to destroy the conservative brand.

[bullwinkle428]

72. This AIN'T your father's Democratic Presidential ticket!!

We're not rolling over for them anymore.

[dionysus]

73. concern overload... banky required...

[Richard Steele]

74. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and thus appear foolish.

nm

[blondeatlast]

82. I hope you don't mind if I copy that. There's a lot of those around lately. nt

[Control-Z]

102. Well, then I am joined by

an entire media and at least half the public, both democratic and republican, who, to you, must also appear as ignorant and foolish.

[Raineyb]

113. If you're using the media as proof that your point of view is correct then you've already lost

the argument.

The MSM has been in the bag for McLame since he clinched. How is it even a surprise that they've deliberately distorted what was said and amplified the bullshit cries of sexism? They are not unbiased witnesses.

More like witless suck-ups to power.

Regards

[blondeatlast]

130. Well said! Best reply on this thread.

:thumbsup:

[Control-Z]

187. Well, in fact, the comment did

set off the media. Anyone with half a brain could have predicted as much. So why did he choose to engage them?

[Raineyb]

215. You're blaming the wrong person

The reason the media went off is because their chosen candidate McLame decided to make a stink about it. That's what they do. That is what they've been doing. That's why we're in this stupid ass war, that's why we can't get some so-called Democrats to behave like Democrats and stop acting like Republican Lite, that's why the economy is in the shitter, that's why GWB managed to steal not one but two elections.

In light of all that, I'm not surprised that media would go off on such an asinine, idiotic, doltish, cretinous, moronic, imbecilic, dim-witted, stupid tangent based on faux outrage. I'm surprised that someone who claims to have been paying attention is 1. surprised at the media's usual cow-towing to the corporate candidate and Republican whining and 2. falling for the RW framing of the issue. McLame used that exact same phrase four time during this election cycle his damn self. Even some of the MSM is picking up on this and at least one of those times he directed it at Senator Clinton (which is not something anyone can accuse Obama of doing without lying). Was there outrage? Hell no, frankly it's an oft used phrase why would anyone make such a stink it's petty and small. Now it's less than 2 months until the election and McLame has NOTHING TO SAY ON THE ISSUES So what happens? McLame disingenuously cries sexism over the same phrase and all of a sudden it's a problem and now we have people who claim to be Democrats wringing their hands about it while repeating the RW meme about the use of language.

You are falling into exactly the trap that McLame wants you to fall into. I will not be following suit thank you very much.

I've been accused of being a lot of things, on occasion the accusation had been not been wrong, but being half-witted had never been one of those accusations that happened to be correct.

Regards

[Control-Z]

188. self delete - dupe

[tomg]

125. The Media, possibly. The people

less so. In fact, there is another thread that shows 64% to 35%, people don't feel Obama was over the top, and it is all part of the game. This is the link to the poll:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26637798/

If anything, the Media loves this because without, they can't fill the airwaves. Seriously, I think your OP is dead wrong, but I am sorry that you are getting hammered. You've been here long enough to know the drill, though, and that everyone is wired right now.

[Control-Z]

141. Thanks

I'm good. Skin is pretty tough. Just my op. Wish we could talk about Palin's stem cell research views, abortion views, abstinence only education, climate crisis ignorance - all positions that are documented and easily dismissed as wacko on her part.

[blondeatlast]

174. Why discuss those on a Democratic message board? We know what they are and we pretty much disagree

with them. DU isn't read by the general public (regardless of what the alarmist set likes to believe).

We're just a bunch of wonks sitting around in a friendly bar talking--occasionally we love a good bar fight, then back to mindless chatter.

[Control-Z]

184. By we,

I was more thinking of the democratic party, and Barack Obama - something more substantive for the media to get their fangs into.

[Richard Steele]

210. Yes, WILLFUL ignorance is damned foolish. We cannot awaken someone who pretends to be asleep.

So you enjoy your stay now, y'hear? :hi:

[Midlodemocrat]

78. Oh NO!!! The poor widdle pit bull got her itty bitty feelings hurt.

Go Obama!

And, you're wrong. It's not the truth. It's hyperbolic pearl clutching.

[Raineyb]

79. So now we're going to let McLame choose our language for us?

It's an old saying, they can claim it was a direct slap at her all they want. It's bullshit and you're playing into the McLame framing by wringing your hands over it.

Regards

[smiley_glad_hands]

80. Good job on pushing repug framing. eom

[DevonRex]

109. That's exactly what she did and it's disgusting beyond words. nt

[Teaser]

81. Your concern is touching.

[Alter Ego]

83. It's an old phrase--and you're an idiot.

[sundayparsons]

85. Newbie needs help in missouri/kansas....

I know this isn't relative to this thread...but,I can not start a new post on here yet and this one is on fire...

In Kansas City this weekend bikers for babies is going on....last year it brought over 8,000 riders or about 16,000 voters plus all that are not participating in the ride...in my opinion people that care but don't vote...how can we get people out there to help not only to encourage Dem vote but to register????

Please look at my other posts if you would like to know why this is important to me.

Thanks so much!

[TheZug]

86. Get a clue. Review 1988, 2000, 2004.

[Peacetrain]

88. What are you talking about? NT

[bklyncowgirl]

89. The only way to deal with a bully is to smack him down and send him back crying to Mama

Sorry, my friend, I'd love to believe that the American people can see beyond the smoke screen but sometimes a little strongly directed outrage is the right thing to do.

Americans don't vote for wimps.

[YOY]

138. Show some backbone.

If this truly isn't all a show then let's show 'em that we can be twice and mean and that we actually have the damn facts on our side.

[BlooInBloo]

92. Kudos on the extent of your infiltration job. Y'all really are like cockroaches.

[glancingthefuture]

93. Agree, Sen. Obama needs to stay above the slimes/slurs.

[Control-Z]

98. That is what I'm trying to say n/t

[Raineyb]

99. Obama neither slimed nor slurred

That's what McLame wants you to think. You're falling for it.

Regards

[DevonRex]

108. Oh bullshit. Just total bullshit. nt

[DevonRex]

107. He didn't slime ANYBODY. He didn't use a SLUR! WTF is YOUR problem?

[Dawgs]

95. delete. dupe.

[Dawgs]

96. delete. dupe.

[Dawgs]

97. Great, another let's do what Kerry did in 2004 thread.

And, your post makes no sense. You criticize Obama for doing what Bush did, and then act like it will help McCain. Uh, Bush won in 2004. Like it or not, those tactics work.

And, just because it's the truth does not make it sophmoric.

[madwivoter]

100. I strongly disagree

Comparing Obama in any way to GWB is bullshit.

I have an idea, how about we all stop wearing our heart on our sleeves, stop being so concerned about this made up bullshit, roll those sleeves up and get to fucking work.

If you are so concerned with 'sophomoric behavior' by the Obama campaign, I'd like to see you come up with anything other than this latest made up crock that got the McCain camp in a huff.

The McCain camp is projecting and they're even more upset because it blew up in their faces.

[azmouse]

101. Despair...

[Starry Messenger]

182. I love that website.

I've been thinking of sneaking a few of them to hang up in my classroom.

MPK

[DevonRex]

103. The truth is that you are smearing Obama with the same shit the GOP is.

I call total bullshit on your post and on your "concern."

What kind of democrat spouts RW talking points, and smear-job, swiftboating talking points at that?

Do a little research. Read what he said. Then apologize.

[RollWithIt]

105. whatever, I'm tired of week kneed Dems crying and saying don't say it!!

[krawhitham]

106. You bitch when he doesn't fight back, you bitch when he does, you're not happy unless your bitching

[President_Obama]

111. you didn't even read Obama's full statement, did you?

Thanks for you crapcern!

[ContinentalOp]

114. If you read the transcript, you'll see that he actually said "You can't put lipstick on a pig,

... you little pantywaist. Now stop crying, give me your lunch money and get back into your locker or I'll flush your head down the toilet."

[Name removed]

119. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. 
[link:www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html|Click
here] to review the message board rules.

[Starry Messenger]

123. You are lost. Youtube is thattaway.

<---------------

MPK

[Control-Z]

124. Alerted

[DevonRex]

126. Fuck you. nt

[tomg]

127. Hey, I finally got here before

the pizza arrived. I always come too late and after its been served. This, so rocks.

[DevonRex]

131. Yeah, me too. I usually miss the all the fun. I'm thinking the tombstone

will be here in like 2 minutes.

[backscatter712]

129. Remember, it's down the road, not across the street...

[JackBeck]

133. To answer your question:

Sara Palin.

[JackBeck]

135. To answer your question:

Sara Palin.

[Orsino]

136. Whistling in the dark. n/t

[JeffR]

137. Welcome to DU. Now eat shit & fuck off.

:hi:

[DevonRex]

139. I love it when I can tell somebody to fuck off in here.

[YOY]

140. You are not "America".

No matter how hard you squint. Not even close.

[TZ]

142. hey MORON...

Palin is NOT the first female VP candidate..Geraldine Ferraro was.
And funny how you seem to have forgotten Hilary Clinton, who was FARRR more qualified to be President than this idiot Palin will ever be..And isn't it funny how if Chelsea Clinton was 17 and pregnant it would be oh the Clintons are sooo evil but with Palin its like What a GREAT MOTHER she is! Wow republicans are such stoopids. Did you drop out in 8th grade? You sound like it.

[Zuiderelle]

143. Another candidate so weak, so flawed? LOL! I can't think of one more weak and flawed than Bush...

though McCain is giving him a run for his money.

Why waste your time writing all that? Or are you just running around pasting it in every forum you can join?

[DevonRex]

144. Don't you love it? Looks like the mods are letting us vent on this one. nt

[Sugarcoated]

146. LOL

I KNOW we're doing good when we get posts like this.

Makes me most happy. :)

[Starry Messenger]

147. Wow...you're still here.

Was there more? Might as well get all out! Your reticence is touching.

MPK

[AllieB]

152. So, poliactive, you're from CT?

Too bad Obama is going to sweep that state and all of New England. :rofl:

[Starry Messenger]

154. I know. Poor thing.

He must be about to pop an aneurysm. Maybe that's why he went all quiet.

MPK

[GoddessOfGuinness]

161. I think he's from c**t

He just didn't know how to spell it.

[HughBeaumont]

155. ALWAYS love seeing the buried before the killing.

Who let the LGF dick in here? Keep the DOOR CLOSED!!

[GoddessOfGuinness]

158. Sweetie, you need to get a grip on reality.

Here's a news flash for you: Reality will not be found on Rush Limbaugh's radio smear show.

The people who post here all love America. Some of them are even fighting in the illegal war in Iraq...not because they want to, but because that's the deal they made when they signed up. They never suspected an American president would abuse his power as this one has.

But I'm pretty sure that you, like most republicans, will just dismiss my post the way you've dismissed the feelings of at least half the country, including those who've been bullied away from the polls by you and your cronies.

So as you leave, take your lying presidential candidate and his skanky-ho vp pick with you. Ok? :)

[nam78_two]

160. Congratulations on authoring the most incoherent post I have ever seen here

And there was some stiff competition, given how many of your little friends log on here from their mom's basements :eyes:.

You are truly an idiot-I have never seen so many stupid lies packed into one unreadable, absurd, badly-written, incoherent mess of a post.

CONCIVED? Wtf?

[Starry Messenger]

163. I actually copied and saved it to a text document for further study.

It's a monument to idiocracy.

MPK

[nam78_two]

165. Good idea

This person sounds demented (more so even than your average Freeper). Here is the average McCain-Palin voter for you America.
Who wouldn't want to elect someone this dude is for...

[Raineyb]

What a nasty little troll you are

Fuck off dipshit!

Regards

[DevonRex]

166. It's still alive, LOL. Day of the Living Dead here.

[Debi]

167. Now....tell us how you really feel

:rofl:

[Nye Bevan]

171. Hmmm. My "trolldar" is not the greatest

but even I can detect that there is something amiss with this post.

[bertha katzenengel]

173. This is by a DUer Sock Puppet. Has to be -- no one that ignorant can spell. n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

121. Yeah, and GWB won twice.

Gore and Kerry had the issues on their side as well, how'd that work out for them?

[AllieB]

122. In a country of mean-spirited reality TV shows, bully talk works.

It succeeded in '04 for the Repubs, and we need to ratchet up the rhetoric.

[Control-Z]

186. Well, at least you admit

it was bullying. I just don't think it is best way to earn supporters. Again, my opinion.

[riskpeace]

128. It reminded me of when

he gave Hillary the finger or just scratched his face. Same smirk both times.

I'll repeat that I will be pleased to vote for Senator Obama. At the same time, he does not have to worry about me. This comment will hurt him, in my opinion.

[blondeatlast]

150. Oversensitive much? Wow. What's the fun in playing the victim?

I don't get this thinking.

[DevonRex]

157. Plus spreading the "giving Hillary the finger" crap. Disgusting. nt

[DevonRex]

153. He did NOT give Hillary the finger. You're just spreading more bullshit.

Why would you want to do that?

[Raineyb]

169. Shill for McLame much?

You're doing McLame's job for him spreading that old bullshit.

:thumbsdown:

What's that word that means the opposite of success? I thought you'd get my drift.

Regards

[DevonRex]

172. At least this thread is outing the shills. nt

[Starry Messenger]

181. Ridiculous.

No points awarded. No style. No effort. Laziness.

MPK

[DevonRex]

193. And just look who the people are who agree with the OP. Pretty sick. nt

[Starry Messenger]

202. check your pm.

:hi:

[Control-Z]

189. I think he needs to be very careful

with his words or they may come back and bite him in the butt. As it is, two days have been lost on this remark. Could the same point have been made in less antagonistic words?

[DevonRex]

191. LOOK. He said NOTHING antagonistic. And yet you keep hammering

on this total bullshit. Well, I for one have had ENOUGH of the concern for today. You're doing NOTHING but stirring up shit here. On purpose. EVERYONE here has told you that you're WRONG. Yet you keep going and going, using words like antagonistic.

After the first few posts you should have realized your error. That is, IF your concern was even CLOSE to genuine.

[Control-Z]

201. Thank you, mommy.

My post was not an error, it was my opinion. I stand by it. I think Obama showed poor judgment in using the terminology he used. Otherwise, there would be no buzz about it - or Photoshopped pig pictures here on DU - or any discussion at all other than about the issue(s) for which he referred.

My only error was believing that we were open minded enough here to actually admit a mistake was made by our nominee. After all, he is human, and not perfect. It might be healthier for some to see that.

[DevonRex]

204. Yeah, I've seen your opinions elsewhere. And I call bullshit when I see it.

[Control-Z]

208. You've been stalking me?

Wow, that is pretty sick of you.

But then you know I've been talking about how dangerous Palin is, and how I don't agree with her on a single issue.

[Control-Z]

211. Oh my little stalker friend!

Where are you? Now that I've called you out on your accusations about me, you have nothing to say?

Again, since you've been stalking me, you must know I've been talking about how dangerous Palin is, and how I don't agree with her on a single issue? Or are you just smearing me and telling lies about me for your own sick reasons?

[dansolo]

213. And in those two days McCain's convention bounce has evaporated

don't know why you are so concerned. If anything, it is hurting McCain more because of his (like your) overreaction. The low information voters that McCain wants to appeal to know exactly what the expression means, and the more fuss they make about it, the more that those voters start to question McCain.

[nichomachus]

134. Americans don't vote on the issues

If Americans decided on the issues, Obama would be beating the GOP in the polls 90-20.

However, if people voted on the issues, Al Gore would have won in a landslide and would be finishing his second term now.

Until you understand that, you're condemned to lose. The fastest way to lose the attention of an average American is to talk about the "issues."

Now, they may tell pollsters that they care about the issues, but they're lying.

[yellowcanine]

145. Not a bully line. Now if he had said, "You can polish a turd but it is still a turd"

You might have a point. But he didn't. It is a common colloquialism, John McCain has himself used it several times. As for Dumya, if he tried to say it it would probably come out something like, "You can put lipstick on a pig but the pig will always have lips."

[Control-Z]

148. Sooo true!!

Thanks for the comic relief!

[Eyes_wide_ open]

149. Uh ... no

To sound like GWB there would have to be lies, innuendo, attacks on someones personal life, if your going to make that accusation I suggest you start paying attention. You, however, sound remarkably like the McCain campaign spokespeople so my respond to your opinion is the same as Obama's to them ...

Please, spare me the fake outrage.

Taking the high road does not mean to just lay down and take it while they kick you in the face. It does not mean you never say anything critical or negative about the other side. He was talking about McCain's policies being the same old tired policies of GWB. That IS an issue isn't it? If we wanted more of the same why would we be here?

Humor is not necessarily sophomoric (though it can be). Spouting off about a statement without bothering to check the context is though. And I wouldn't be using the MSM to back yourself up with when you obviously haven't been listening to them either ... THAT fake outrage was because the McCain camp said Obama was calling Palin a pig with that comment, which was blatantly untrue of course. And today they MSM is calling them on that.

Forgive me, but I trust Obama's judgment here over yours. I know its not nice to say something like this - but I can't help it. It's the truth.

[Zuiderelle]

151. Sorry, you're wrong. Are you seriously accusing Obama of bullying McCain's policies?

Because it was McCain's policies Obama was referring to with putting "liptick on a pig."

He's made that clear several times now. Or do you even bother to listen?

[DevonRex]

159. Oh, McCain's poor economic policy has been bullied. Waah.

Shame on Obama for bullying a policy. :sarcasm:

You made me smile. :) Thanks.

[Liberal Dose]

156. I wish there were a way to put a minus rec on threads.

You're just a little overboard. On second thought, make that a lot overboard.

[MatthewStLouis]

162. I disagree: we need to learn how to feed the press...

I think Obama's lipstick on a pig line was masterful. It speaks to McCain's lies, it pokes fun at "Pitbull Palin", and it is a subliminal jab at all Palin's Pork. It also gives Obama a window of opportunity to remind people that McCain is no change candidate: the guy voted with Bush over 90% of the time. Democrats need to learn how to use so-called "controversial" statements and ads in order to give the press something to talk about. Of course we have to make sure these statements contain a message and are not just meaningless name-calling.

[Control-Z]

209. It accomplished very little

other than controversy. That's the point.

[MatthewStLouis]

216. I see your point

I see your point, the media takes everything out of context. Most of the lazy media failed to explain the argument Obama was making. But I still believe so-called controversial statements can be a useful tool for getting out our message.

[Debi]

164. What the hell are you talking about?

Obama's the bully? Obama is like GWB? :crazy: Really?

[DevonRex]

168. Yeah, that Obama is like GWB part is just hilariously sad.

[That Guy 888]

170. I see this as a problem for mcsame

Lets see, as I understand it Senator Obama says "That's not change, that's just calling something the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." in reference to mcsame’s policy being similar to *’s.

Mcsame, apparently only paying attention enough to hear the phrase "lipstick on a pig", automatically thinks of his running mate? Hmm... hopefully his Acme"outraginess" kit will go Wile E. Coyote on him.

[chill_wind]

177. Wow. You said

"We have honest issues to stand on and Obama is not standing up for them"

What are you talking about?!

[DevonRex]

207. Obviously not reality. But what passes for reality in

the forum that cannot be mentioned is quite different from "real" reality, don't you think?

[TNMOM]

178. clearly you didn't read the whole speech

you're concern is fake.

[treestar]

179. Why do they do it for the GOP then?

[calmblueocean]

180. What in God's name are you talking about? "Bully line"? There's no bullying here.

A "bully line" is when you say your opponent thinks Kindergarten should be a Sex Ed class.

This is just a straightforward American idiom, and it's not directed against McCain or Palin, but their policies.

Frankly, the reason your views aren't popular is because they are delusional.

[DevonRex]

195. Just more shit stirring here on DU today. And I'm getting pissed about it.

Saying Obama is acting like GWB???? And if you read her responses throughout the thread it's obvious that the point was to disrupt.

[vanderBeth]

183. I don't see any bulling.

[Danger Mouse]

185. Oh fuck that. Fuck it hard. You're so full of it and you don't even know.

[DevonRex]

192. Oh, she knows very WELL what she's doing. And it's deliberate and divisive

and total bullshit.

[Danger Mouse]

194. Have we found PUMA droppings?

[DevonRex]

199. Yep, there's scat all over the damn thread, and in a couple other threads, too.

[Danger Mouse]

205. I think it's time for some granite-scented PUMA repellant.

[DevonRex]

206. So do I, after a friend here encouraged me to use The Google

of somebody's posts at the site that must not be named here.

[secondwind]

196. Obama's ploy worked, and we now "own" the lipstick theme...........

When you hear the word "lipstick",do you think of Obama or Palin?



Think about it.


:patriot:

[high density]

197. o my dear hide thread feature... where art thou?

[DevonRex]

200. I knooowwww. Where the HELL is that little X???

[zulchzulu]

198. He should do this! He should do that! No nuance! Nuance! Get 'em! Don't get 'em!

:crazy:

[JVS]

203. Hey look, lost footage of Bristol Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE9llClgTqY

[iconicgnom]

214. You believe every sleazy McCain campaign trick? And some still wonder how the US elected GWB twice.