Sarah Palin's Aryan Nation Family History?

[KingOfLostSouls]

now, bear with me here, but this was something. was having a discussion with my mom and one reason she said she couldn't stand Palin was her maiden name was HEATH and was born in Sandpoint, Idaho.


Palin was born Sarah Louise Heath in Sandpoint, Idaho, the third of four children of Sarah Heath (née Sheeran), a school secretary, and Charles R. Heath, a science teacher and track coach.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin









up in the northwest, its well known that Sandpoint, Idaho has a huge Aryan nation/white supremacist background. My dad had lived there at one point, and we're not white. One of the more prominent family names there in the aryan nation is HEATH.



this could be something that needs to be checked a bit more if theres anyone at DU with the background to do it.


I will be writing an email to K.O., Rachel Maddow, and Amy Goodman also because this deserves some serious investigative journalism.





on edit: wiki dropped these also



She transferred in 1983 to North Idaho College.<11> In 1987,<12> Palin received a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho, where she also minored in political science.<13><14>





north idaho is in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. not too far from Sandpoint. Coeur d'Alene is also known for its hostility towards minorities and local aryan nation types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Idaho_College








second edit: if anyone knows anyone in the journalism field also, please at least forward them this link so they could do some fact checking. it may be chasing shadows but in something as serious as the vice presidency of the united states we cannot be too careful. the gloves are off on this one, I think everyone has seen that tonight.










3rd edit: kos has a story on the AIP's links to white supremacists

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/2/0033/80749/111/582648


It also seems that the Alaska Independence Party (AIP) is also affiliated with, or have at least "rubbed shoulders" with some of the worst elements of the Southern White Supremacist movement as identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

[crazylikafox]

1. kick, kick, kick

[depakid]

2. Nope. The mum likes Obama

[KingOfLostSouls]

3. the mother in law

you don't know much about ayran nation or sandpoint


I do.


this is deadly serious. if shes connected to aryan nation thats a big thing.


all gloves are off in this one.

[depakid]

17. OK, Thought it was the mum

And yes, I know a little about Sandpoint.

Been there too. Have you?

[KingOfLostSouls]

20. once

was told not to stop since I'm not white.

[depakid]

33. That bit of Northern Idaho is creepy even for a white guy

Even Coeur de Lion has a wierd vibe.

[Cleita]

34. Actually the place is paradise on earth. It's beautiful. It's just that

the Republican stranglehold of corrupt politicians there encourage these marginal people to move up there because of the lack rules really. I wish I could live there but the lack of decent health care keeps me from returning. Oh and it's Coeur d' Alene.

[depakid]

36. Oh yeah- it's very beautiful

It's just going into the shops and walking down the main drag, kicking back having a coffee and watching people, stopping to read the various things posted on walls, the local papers and so on (which I do wherever I go) - it had a wierd (kinda disturbing) vibe.

And I know, sorry for the malaprop.

[Cleita]

38. I survived by ignoring those people. There is a small community of liberals,

you know tree huggers and environmentalists. My DH and I always sought them out and ignored the rest. It wasn't worth the aggravation to get involved in discussions with them.

[depakid]

41. And there are others who you wouldn't suspect

My time in the area is through visits with a friend of mine, my late fathers colleague and friend in Spokane who used to send me all sorts of deals from Edwards Air Force Base. The kinds of things little kids in Maryland loved. Scorpions, Tarantulas, snake skins, and stuff.

My late mom wouldn't open those envelopes. LOL. I'd just come home from school and in her southern accent she'd say: You got got another one of those things. Take it outside!

This guy- a full bird colonel who flew A-20's in North Africa against Rommel, he's so cool. His wife wanted to display his various medals- but he doesn't. Not his style. So they compromised. The distinguished flying crosses- among others, they're in the dining room. 'Cept when you're in the dining room with the door open you can't see them. And you pretty much have to have the dining room door open the way the room's laid out.

My friend you see- he has honor, He's the real deal.

And he's a real Democrat- not a DINO.

[Blaq Dem]

117. White supremacists love having babies

They fear the disappearance of the "white race." That's the only reason why they're against abortion. They encourage their people to have as many kids as possible.

[panAmerican]

93. Actually Faye Palin is the STEPmother-in-law

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/03/america/palin.php?page=2

According to the article, she opposed Faye Palin's bid to succeed her as mayor because Fay is pro-choice and unaffiliated instead of Republican.

[kestrel91316]

101. The MIL is voting for McCain. Enthusiastically. Said so on TV yesterday.

[Nay]

4. Don't forget to send it to the National Enquirer, too--they're the only ones

who seem willing to dig.

[cliffordu]

5. Kick for the looney tunes possibility. She wasn't vetted at all. I'd believe anything

about her at this point.

[KingOfLostSouls]

9. It's not looney toons

I've dealt with aryan nation before in the past in the form of Tom Metzger


my father was ran out of sandpoint by aryan nation (we're not white, I'll leave it at that) including death threats, slashing tires, etc, when he moved with his 2nd wife up there.



one of the big names that was brought up was HEATH.



this is deadly serious business when it comes to these people.

[cliffordu]

13. I know it is. I was in Portland when Metzger was on trial for the killing of that

Ethiopian kid by those skinheads.

I saw that scumsucker and his son in a little restaurant one evening. I could have shot them both. I was carrying, too.....


I will always wonder what would have happened if I'd still been drinking when I saw them.....I had about 90 days sober when this took place.


I was just saying I'd believe it. They are loopy and idiotic enough to be involved with just about anything.

[calimary]

45. YES. Send it to the Enquirer. They'll dig. Unlike the mainstreamers who may regard this

as beneath them.

MAN, I'd LOVE to see her nailed with something like this. But then again, considering the mentality of some republi-CONS, it'd be that much more reason to vote for her.

[KingOfLostSouls]

46. let the republicans vote for her

we're not concerned with accepting them into polite society


however, getting this across to independants and others is important


this woman is dangerous with a questionable background.

[LooseWilly]

55. Come to think of it... it would be ironic.

Supposedly Hubby is part Inuit. Hence it's likely.. well, come to think of it... that might just be why she's no longer in Idaho.

I've had a friend who was part of the whole neo-nazi thing... and that weird little town in Idaho whose name I can't remember definitely had a weird vibe reminiscent of the vibe off that old friend of mine... and I just stopped for gas... and I've been driving a taxi in Oakland CA for 10 years... so it takes a lot for the vibe to really catch my attention... or maybe I'm just hyper sensitive now... I don't know.

Of course, this sort of thing is NOT something that should be even suggested seriously... unless some sort of proof can be come up with. Just something to sort of keep an eye on... in the mean time.

[deaniac21]

124. White Supremacist MRE

[cynatnite]

6. Palin's family left Idaho when she was an infant, IIRC...

I don't see how an assumption can be made considering the length of time that's passed.

[KingOfLostSouls]

10. she moved back to the region for college

I added that on edit.


families family to them.

[cynatnite]

14. My husband's family is in Sandpoint...

family is family to us, but it sure doesn't automatically mean that everyone in Sandpoint is an Aryan racist either.

I have relatives that are as racist as they come just as Obama said his grandmother was, too.

Sorry, I just think this kind of thing is in poor taste and a total waste of time. Palin's own actions, and not those of her family, is what's going to sink her.

[Hutzpa]

I don't

I find intriguing and would do a research to
see if there is more....:evilgrin:

[dchill]

26. "in poor taste and a total waste of time."

Not unlike McCain's VP pick. We don't really want to ignore this if it's true, do we?

[Raineyb]

82. Total waste of time?

Why?

This is how people find things out. They get wind of something then look into it. If nothing's found no harm no foul. If they find something let loose with both barrels.

What's so hard about this?

Since when is it poor taste to out a racist? This attitude is exactly why so many closet racists remain such; too many "good white folk" are afraid to confront it.

If you find it in poor taste I'd say it's your problem. For me, the Tom Metzger brand of racism (or any racism for that matter) is way too life threatening for me to worry about someone thinking it's in poor taste just to look into it.

Perhaps someone should forward some of this to Amy Goodman. She'd look into it and make sure she'd get it right before reporting on it. Not like the MSM who'd probably just report on the charges and tsk tsk about the lack of evidence while not looking for any.

Regards

[Forrest Greene]

89. Furthermore

...it seems pretty obvious that this kind of stuff is what wins elections, or at least what makes them close enough to steal.

The majority of people seem to care nothing about alleged issues.

[FatDave]

104. Exactly!

I sometimes wonder if some people here slept through the last few elections.

[LooseWilly]

56. and she went back

i'm not saying anything, I'm just saying...

[Frank Booth]

7. You might want to post this again when things die down a bit.q

This is really interesting, but it's going to get lost in the flood tonight (like it would tomorrow night).

[Cleita]

8. I think if you go to the Idaho Spokesman's archives you might find something.

I think Sandpoint also publishes their police reports or they used to when I lived there. Most Aryan Nation guys are nothing more than gang banging thugs and are usually in trouble. Also, Richard Butler's Church of the Aryan nation used to have a website. You might find something there in their records if there still is a website. I used to keep tabs on these people when I lived in the Sandpoint area, but since I moved away don't.

[yardwork]

11. The picture of the Palins and their friends dressed in wolf skins looks white supremacist to me.

I thought of that the minute I saw that photo of them all dressed up in wolf skins. And her children's names are Norse. It's worth looking into.

[KingOfLostSouls]

12. I didn' tknow they were norse?

aryan nation's are all about the whole "runic" thing.


wow.



thanks for pointing that out.

[yardwork]

28. Well, the Palins said it was Nordic, but according to the "bad baby names" blog its not.

The Nordic name is "Trygg." They think maybe "Trig" is short for trigger.

[Hutzpa]

84. Its beginning to make sense now,

giving them nordic names, in Europe, these folks are well known racist
the nordics, you find them in Denmark, Sweden and Norway (Scandinavians).

[Hutzpa]

24. talking bout this one

[yardwork]

25. Yes, that's the one. It looks like a white supremacist meeting.

[amandabeech]

43. I think it looks like a dopey costume party.

I think that there is a decent-sized Scandinavian-American community up there, and more who think of themselves as Vikings.

I wouldn't read too much into it. From someone who's part Swedish-American, I know folks who might think those hats are a hoot!

[Hutzpa]

80. Hey good spin

but I'm not one for taking things for granted.

'The light gets shone in the strangest of places'

[amandabeech]

94. Not spin, just extremely cautious about making unsubstantiated

extremely serious allegations based on what appears to be these part Swedish eyes like a bunch of goof-ball members of the Sverige or Wasa lodges or maybe even the infamous Sons of Norway.

[nickinSTL]

65. the kids' names are NOT Norse

Not sure what Track and Trig are - but they're not Norse, and Bristol and Piper are English. Don't recall the other girl's name.

Also, even if someone names their kid a Norse name, or even is into Norse religion (Asatru or Forn Sed), does not mean they're white supremacist. I'm Asatru myself, but I'm most definitely NOT racist or white supremacist.

[yardwork]

83. Thanks for the correction. I was going on her own story about Trig's name - turns out she lied.

Palin herself said that Trig was a Norse name, but apparently the Norse version is spelled Trygg, so she lied about that.

[Hutzpa]

85. I wouldn't say that

she just spelled it the English way, I will take her word
on this one, she said it herself that hers kids are given
Nordic names.

[nickinSTL]

115. Ok, maybe Trig is an Anglicization of Trygg...

it's so far off, I didn't recognize it as such.

However, the girls' names are absolutely NOT Norse. They're English. If she said they're Norse, she was wrong - she might even have thought they were, I don't know. If she did, she didn't do her homework before naming them. Bristol, Willow and Piper are absolutely English, NOT Norse.

Track, I have no idea. No idea how that could be considered Norse - and if it's another bizarre Anglicization, I can't identify the source.

[Hugabear]

15. We know for a FACT that she was part of the secessionist AIP

Alaska Independence Party. I read somewhere on here that the AIP has ties to the Aryan Nations.

I think you might be on to something.

It's time to SINK her

[KingOfLostSouls]

16. Just put it up on edit

link on kos about the AIP and other "secessionist" parties doing business together


good tip

[wvbygod]

71. Did someone finally get proof she was in the AIP?

Nice thing about FACTs are that they tend to be true. Can you post the link
showing her membership in that Alaska Independence Party? I have yet to find one
other than one showing her husband was a member.

[1corona4u]

18. K

[951-Riverside]

19. Leave the family out of this!

:sarcasm: :rofl:

[me b zola]

21. More like, Leave the klan out of this!

:rofl:

[KingOfLostSouls]

22. need some more bumps guys

this is something here, I can feel it


people of that background don't forget family and "race first."

[Muttocracy]

23. at this point, nothing new from her family history would surprise me. nt

[yardwork]

27. You're right about Sandpoint, Idaho. It's home to two Christian Identity groups.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Christian Identity was the major face of the white supremacist movement for decades. They're a little weaker now due to the increase of Nordic Pagan groups.

The groups in Sandpoint are:

· America's Promise Ministries
Christian Identity

· Church of the Sons of YHVH - Reformed
Christian Identity

I got this from the Southern Poverty Law Center website hate group map: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp#s=ID

[KingOfLostSouls]

29. awesome find

shes part of one of those white identity churches also.


they've already been busted hating jews.

[yardwork]

31. As far as I know, her church isn't actually an openly white supremacist group.

The real white supremacists leave no question as to their beliefs. I think it will be difficult to tie Sarah Palin herself to a white supremacist group. But she sure seems to have those connections.

[KingOfLostSouls]

35. her church 2 weeks ago attacked israel

maddow dropped the bomb on it tonight also, politico broke the story


her church, which she supported, believes terrorist attacks on israel are acts of god for their not being christian.

[starroute]

30. Information on Sarah Heath's family

There are genealogy records on Sarah's family at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=dowfam3&id=I131616. Most of the information on living individuals suppressed is suppressed -- except for Sarah, because hers is a matter of public record -- but by putting this together with the Wikipedia entry and the cemetery records at http://www.interment.net/data/us/id/bonner/lakeview/lake_gk.htm it's possible to get a pretty clear idea of the family line.

Sarah's grandparents were Orville (1901-85) and Bessie (1907-82) Heath and her grandparents were William Gilbert Heath (1866-1945) and Luella Centennial Heath (1876-1938).

Below is some information on how the Heath family came to Sandpoint in 1926.

http://riverjournal.com/vivvo/editorial/47.html

Heath Lake and Heath Lake Road south of Sandpoint received their names, thanks to Mona’s family. During our visit in her classroom, she told me a few tidbits about her grandfather, Orville Heath who contributed his share of history to the area after coming north with his wife Bessie from Gooding in southern Idaho. The fact that they were part of a large migration of transplants finding their way to North Idaho to farm Humbird Lumber Co. land during that era is fascinating enough, but their mode of transportation while moving here adds a touch of true pioneer spirit.

Along with his parents, Orville, Bessie and their two oldest children came up through Idaho with their herd of Shorthorn cattle via covered wagon and horses rather than paying for train transport. Took ‘em three months. They had some memorable experiences along the way, as noted their family story in the first Beautiful Bonner history book.

The Heath family left the Gooding area in April of 1926 so their cattle would have grass for grazing along the way. They received a special police escort while traveling with the herd through Boise. In central Idaho, Orville heard a radio for the first time, and family members recalled passing through a white-pine forest so thick in the Boville-Clarkia area that they never saw the sun all day.

[Jennifer C]

62. Interesting read

I noticed in the comments the following response in regards to whether Mona's family is related to Sarah Palin:

"I asked Mona that very question last spring when I visited her class in Trout Creek. She said no. Chuck Heath grew up in Hope and was not related to the Heaths south of the bridge."

Well if Orville and Bessie are Mona's grandparents, then Mona must clearly be related to Sarah. I wonder why she said no?

[Jennifer C]

68. Ok more on Chuck:

http://slightdetour.blogspot.com/2008/09/vegetables-flat-tires-and-gov-sarah.html

In one case, a former teacher here named Bob Pegg (now of Tacoma) read a column I wrote about Mona Heath on http://www.riverjournal.com/ and wanted to know if Adrian Lane's good friend Chuck Heath and Mona Heath were related.

He had taught Mona in the '70s when she was a Sandpoint Junior High student and thought of her as very pleasant. I taught her later along with her brother Kirk, and last spring Mona, now a teacher herself, asked me to come to her classroom in Trout Creek, Montana.

That day I asked her if she was related to Chuck Heath. She said no. Mona was of the Heaths south of the bridge, while Chuck Heath grew up in Hope.

Later, David Jones (the cream pie-eating champion of the 1973 Ponderette Pie Debacle, which was chronicled in my book Lessons with Love) sent me a note from Roseburg, Ore. He couldn't find any pictures of Chuck Heath in his yearbooks, and, of course, he was curious for some kind of connection.

I informed David that Chuck graduated in 1956, so he probably wasn't going to find him in the Monticolas (pinus monticolas, i.e., "white pine) of the '70s.

So, the Sarah sensation and her Sandpoint connection and curiosity live on.

At the "old geezer" SHS faculty party the other night, some of the older geezers, Don Albertson and Bill Adams, who went to high school with and taught with Chuck Heath, respectively, told this younger old geezer that Chuck had just one sister and that she was not the Janice Heath (daughter of Walt) who once lived in our old place on Great Northern Road and married Don Burnett (son of Myrtle and Art). Still, a different family.

I wonder if Chuck ever gave a thought that he would be cast into the public limelight after escaping little ol' podunk Sandpoint for the wilderness of Alaska.

[Idaho_Independent]

79. Hayden, Idaho

Well, what can I say Jennifer, awesome find.

On the 1930 Census the listed names of the children of Orville and Bessie match up to the Rootsweb site above. The census images, rootsweb site and online internment records all match one another. Charles R Heath would not have been alive in 1930 so he wouldn't show up on the last census published.

If he is a younger son of Orville and Bessie, that sister would likely be Dixie A Heath, as she is the youngest in the household in 1930.

It goes without saying if Chuck Heath is the son of Orville and Bessie then Sarah Heath Palin and Mona Heath Scouller are first cousins.

Notice that the person who submitted the internment info is from Hayden, Idaho.

http://files.usgwarchives.org/id/bonner/cemeteries/lakeview2.txt

Hayden of course is in the next county over from Bonner County and is close to Hayden Lake, the site of the Aryan Nations compound from 1970-2001. The land is now owned by North Idaho College, where Sarah Palin attended college before transferring to the University of Idaho. North Idaho College turned the property into a park.

One of two scenarios here. 1) The Rootsweb site above really blew it and Chuck is not the son of Orville and Bessie 2) Assuming that someone who knew their family history well would know their close extended family (safe assumption), Mona is hiding something.

[BlueIdaho]

88. Park...

The land where the Aryan Nations compound once stood became the property of a woman as a result of a law suit argued by Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center. In fact the name "Aryan Nations" also became her property as well as a result of the suit. The land was then bought by a local millionaire and gifted to the local Human Rights Task Force which in turn gave it to North Idaho College to be developed as a PEACE PARK celebrating peace, understanding, and human diversity. All the old buildings were ceremonially bull dozed into a pile and burned. The ashes were then removed from the site and sent to the dump - so no trace of the hate would be left behind.

Further information - In its hay day - the permanent residents at the "compound" numbered 8 -14 people.

[starroute]

107. There is a degree of uncertainty in the Rootsweb listing

Somebody left a post-em at the page for Orville Heath asking "How did you figure that Orville and Bessie were the parents of Charles 'Chuck' Heath (Sarah Palin's father)? Do you have their obits?"
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dowfam3&id=I132189

There's no answer yet, but I assume the person who entered the information would be unlikely to just concoct a relationship that could be easily disproved. Also, from checking around, I'm pretty sure that all the Heaths in Sandpoint are from this one family -- though Charles might conceivably be Orville's nephew and not his son.

No doubt a detailed genealogy page on Sarah will be online fairly soon from the same guy who did this one on Obama:
http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html

[Jennifer C]

119. Further information

I looked up the email address of the guy who wrote the post-em and found a discussion he participated in on Genealogy.com about the Heath family.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/heath/messages/4993.html

Sarah Heath Palin

Posted by: Michael Barris, Date: August 30, 2008 at 02:00:27 of 5006

What is her pedigree?

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Posted by: Nancy Heath Dallaire, Date: September 04, 2008 at 07:55:03 In Reply to: Sarah Heath Palin by Michael Barris of 5006

Some of our Heath line, originally based in Bucks County, PA and Hunterdon County, NJ, were also wondering about Sarah Heath Palin's family tree.

During the 1800s, several twigs of our family scattered to California, Minnesota and other parts of the country. However, we have been able to trace and keep track of many of the descendants of Andrew Heath (c. 1665 - 1720) through the most recent generations.

Could Sarah possibly come from one of our migrating Heaths from PA and NJ?

Nancy Heath Dallaire

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Posted by: Michael Barris, Date: September 04, 2008 at 09:29:13 In Reply to: Re: Sarah Heath Palin by Nancy Heath Dallaire of 5006

See posts 4995, 5001, 5002, 4996, and 4998, in that order.

There is no Andrew Heath in that line, and none of her ancestors had residences in Pennsylvania or New Jersey.

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Posted by: Michael Hurdle, Date: September 02, 2008 at 11:40:29 In Reply to: Sarah Heath Palin by Michael Barris of 5006

I've been able to trace her Heath ancestry back to a Charles R. Heath who was born circa 1872 in Illinois and lived in Chicago where he was married first to Alice Addie Oriel, who died in 1902. Charles moved with his son Charles F., born 1901, to Los Angeles, CA between 1900 and 1910, and Charles F. removed to Sandpoint, ID in 1948. He was Sarah's grandfather.

Maybe somebody on this list can make the connection to Charles R. Heath, born ca 1872. I have not been able to find him in the 1880 census records. According to the 1900-1930 censuses, his father was born in Illinois and his mother was born in Vermont.

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Posted by: Tom Brown, Date: September 02, 2008 at 18:50:57 In Reply to: Re: Sarah Heath Palin by Michael Hurdle of 5006

Do you have a name for Sarah's paternal grandmother (Charles R. "Chuck" Heath's mother)? I found a Charles Richard Heath that was born 24 March 1938 in Los Angeles Co, CA whose mother's maiden name was Brandt. Is this the right "Chuck" Heath?

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Posted by: Michael Hurdle, Date: September 03, 2008 at 06:00:34 In Reply to: Re: Sarah Heath Palin by Tom Brown of 5006

That is the correct one. Charles F. Heath's wife was a Brandt and her father came from Brown County, MN to Los Angeles. The Brandts were originally from Mecklenburg, Germany (early 1800's).

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Posted by: Michael Barris, Date: September 02, 2008 at 13:46:16 In Reply to: Re: Sarah Heath Palin by Michael Hurdle of 5006

Charles R. Heath was born in 1874 in Starke County, Indiana, the son of Jonathon Heath and Mary E., born in Crawford County, Ohio. Starke County is the third Indiana county east of Chicago, just east of Valparaiso, Porter County, Indiana.

The pedigree is Jonathon <Jonathon <John <Jesse (born 1759, Chatham, Massachusetts; married 1781, Sandown, New Hampshire; died 27 April 1839, Groton, Vermont).

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Posted by: Michael Hurdle, Date: September 02, 2008 at 13:25:13 In Reply to: Re: Sarah Heath Palin by Michael Hurdle of 5006

I just discovered that Charles Heath was born in Knox County, IL, the son of James W. Heath and Elma Rhodes, and grandson of William Heath and Lucinda Field, great grandson of Sidney Heath and Phebe Foster of Washington County, NY.

Maybe somebody on the list can make a connection with these names -- they are all ancestors of Sarah Heath Palin.

Michael

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Posted by: Michael Barris, Date: September 02, 2008 at 14:10:34 In Reply to: Re: Sarah Heath Palin by Michael Hurdle of 5006

http://www.familysearch.org has Sidney Heath (born 15 February 1791, in Washington County, New York; married 10 September 1811; died 19 October 1859, Woodhill, Henry County, Illinois), the son of Joseph Heath and Mabel Rising. The pedigree is Joseph <Joseph <Isaac <Isaac <Issac Heath (born 1625, Nazeing, Essex County, England; married 16 December 1650, Roxbury, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, died 29 December 1694, Roxbury) <William <Roger <John Heath (born about 1529, Tandridge, Surrey County, England).

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Posted by: muhammad abdullah, Date: September 03, 2008 at 17:14:37 In Reply to: Sidney Heath (1791-1859) by Michael Barris of 5006

good afternoon, is sidney heath related to william heath in surry county,virginia in 1682 as well as thomas heath ?

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Posted by: Michael Barris, Date: September 04, 2008 at 05:12:24 In Reply to: Re: Sidney Heath (1791-1859) by muhammad abdullah of 5006

http://www.familysearch.org has William Heath (born about 1682, Surry County, Virginia-died 8 November 1745 in Surry County). His pedigree is: Adam <William <Sir Robert Heath (born about 1590).

The Web site has five English individuals named "Robert Heath" and born between 1588 and 1592. The pedigrees of none are given.

http://en.wikipedia.org has Sir Robert Heath (1575-1649), Attorney General of England and founder of North Carolina. Neither his pedigree nor his descendants are given.

English tradition is to give the eldest son the name of his father. It is not unreasonable to investigate the possibility that William Heath (1682-1745) shares a common ancestor in Robert Heath (born about 1503) with Sarah Heath Palin.

[WA98296]

32. Guys...She married a guy who is (part) native Eskimo.

[KingOfLostSouls]

37. 1/8th isn't exactly a big number

faye palin is also a democrat, and pro choice and is supporting obama.


palin's got connections here that are starting to pop up


don't make excuses for the enemy, sedition during a time of war isn't exactly a good side to be on.

[Raineyb]

86. And your point is? n/t

Regards

[EFerrari]

39. Wow. No wonder the GOP wants her. Interesting find. n/t

[KingOfLostSouls]

40. keep it going guys

this whole AIP bit stinks to high hell


not to mention her family connections as well as her church's recent attacks on jews.

[PatSeg]

42. Kick & Rec!!!

[KingOfLostSouls]

44. keep it going, come on

theres stuff here that hasn't been explained yet and a very VERY dangerous link to a radical portion of society.


palin hasn't been properly vetted and this is a very big thing.

[Undercurrent]

47. From the Southern Poverty Law Center

Hate groups in the Sandpoint/Coeur d'Alene area:

America's Promise Ministries (Christian Identity)
Church of the Sons of YHVH - Reformed (Christian Identity)
Campaign for Radical Truth in History
Aryan Nations
The International Conspiratological Association
JTB Publications

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp#s=ID

[regnaD kciN]

48. Yes, but...

...I believe most of them moved in long after her family moved out.

[Idaho_Independent]

49. Charles R Heath (Chuck Heath)

Of course this is hearsay below...but perhaps of interest. It would help if we knew the names of Heath's who have been involved in white supremacy in North Idaho to cross check them with the extended family. As a start we need to stick with the descendants of Orville Wayne Heath (Chuck Heath's brothers and uncles of Sarah Palin) for a connection.


http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=36928961899&topic=5493

"Alexander wrote on Aug 30, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Her father had ties to white supremacist organizations in Idaho he later had to move to Alaska because he wanted to cut the ties non the less he had associated with them."

The writer is speaking of Chuck Heath father of Sarah Palin.

[KingOfLostSouls]

50. low post number, but I'll bite

the fact is this is a suspicious link, hearsay or not


this does deserve proper vetting and investigation.

[Idaho_Independent]

52. link

I agree it is very suspicious. And it was posted just the day after the announcement of her VP candidacy. Which would lend credence that someone knows something. I don't have a Facebook account. Is it possible to contact that person to see if they know more?

As far as my low post count- I'm no freeper, if that is the concern. :D

[Jennifer C]

63. Yes

That guy Alexander Mozeihem is on Obama's site. You should be able to contact him through there if you can't on facebook:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gzkCS

[Waiting For Everyman]

51. I've seen Palin linked to that group Christian Exodus somewhere else

but can't think of where. One of the local stories I read about her, but I have so many saved now. I think it had something to do with Joel's Army too.

She's a trojan horse for wackomania.

[ClayZ]

53. Kick and Recommend

[Why Syzygy]

54. So THAT'S where she got the Fargo accent.

I wondered about that. Didn't think they have that accent in Alaska.

[IDemo]

90. And they don't in Idaho, either. Where are you talking about?

[Why Syzygy]

99. The first time we heard her speak ..

She sounded just like Fargo. It wasn't noticeable last night. Maybe she had some coaching to get over it, or maybe she was faking for the crowd she was in.

[Why Syzygy]

57. Headline: "Palin takes slap at Obama ..."

White supremacist takes on new meaning. She is the hero of the bigot brigade henceforth.

[KingOfLostSouls]

58. bump this back up

if anyone has any contact information or a way to forward this to KO, Amy Goodman, and Rachel Maddow please do


for some reason my hotmail refused to send this, kept getting mail failures



and anyone else with information.

[livvy]

59. Early morning kick and some thoughts about Palin.

I get horrible vibes from this woman period. I know many are laughing at her and taking her as a lightweight, but I find her downright dangerous. In a rational world, her bid for the VP slot is laughable, unreal, and not logical in any way, but I've given up on believing that many in this country are living in a rational world.

She comes off as a tough but lovely lady. Every fiber in my body tells me she is tough; but lovely, not even remotely. This is a vicious, nasty, back-stabbing, bully, who may care (at least believes she cares) about her family and friends, but she would toss them aside easily, if needed, and convince them she was right to do so. She lacks true compassion, integrity, and is logical only when it serves to promote her self-serving agenda. There is something very "wrong" with her. She is not "good people".

I agree that every corner of her life needs to be investigated, because if we should find her in the position she seeks, this country as we know it, as flawed as it currently is, could be in much deeper trouble.

She reeks of all those parts of humanity that are hurtful and hateful, wasteful and selfish. I thought I disliked the lying weasel, darth, and Rove, but this one really creeps me out.

The difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull may be lipstick, but you can't put lipstick on a pig and call it pretty either.

[KingOfLostSouls]

60. seems so natural to her

[liberalla]

61. OMG. chilling.

Sarah Palin Speech Hitler-esque in Tone

[denem]

69. The SS podium. LOL.

[albert5001]

125. Son's middle name of Paxon???

Almost could be code for Saxon. Old German tribes who would murder & plunder.

[geekgrrl]

64. bumb! Let's get this to Keith and Rachel!! nt

[vanderBeth]

66. Honest to God this wouldn't surprise me.

She's been in every other scandal possible.:shrug:

[RepublicanElephant]

67. as bad as it is now, just imagine

her people running the civil rights division of the justice dept.

[Bleacher Creature]

113. Thank you for giving me nightmares. n/t

[bushisanidiot]

70. The GOP base would love this little tidbit. More reason for them to cheer for her.

they seriously are going backward and taking a very hard right in this election.

[slackmaster]

72. I was born in Kansas City

Maybe I should have become a jazz musician, or opened a barbecue joint.

[Lisa0825]

73. K&R

[wvbygod]

74. AIP "facts" are getting tiresome. Try these FACTS on to save some time...

Speaking of vetting...it is an extreme waste of time following blog.* links only to find
out that he said she said such and such. Folks, blogs are just that and when someone on a blog
claims facts then it should mean it can be proven. The best way to get sympathy for the enemy is to wrongly accuse them.

Through a maze of links on this OP we find the "fact" that Palin was a member of the AIP
and then we have the API having to put up a disclaimer like this....

http://www.akip.org/

Welcome to the home of
The Alaskan Independence Party
UPDATE September 3, 2008 Noon ADT

It has been brought to our attention that there is a COUNTERFEIT SITE now up on the net. This site is a FRAUD and has infringed our copy write. We are presently seeking legal recourse.

Contrary to initial reports, Vice-President candidate Governor Sarah Palin was never a member of our party. We stand corrected. We issued a press release today. It is posted here to those members of the media who did not recieve it.

Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in 1994.

We had several hundred people attend that convention and nothing of noteworthy status took place outside of nominating the most conservative candidate up to that date to ever run for Governor of Alaska. That candidate was the sitting Lt. Governor, Jack Coghill. This man was one of the authors and signers of the Constitution of the State of Alaska.

For ALL Media contact. Please contact Lynette Clark, Alaskan Independence Party Chair

We are the only Alaskan political party that is entirely comprised of Alaskans, staffed by Alaskans and financed by Alaskans. We are not affiliated with any political party with a similiar sounding name in other parts of the United States.

[kestrel91316]

103. How long has your organization been affiliated with white

supremacist groups?

[wvbygod]

114. I don't belong to an org

Did you stop kicking your dog yet?

[BlooInBloo]

75. Just like confederate flag people.

[BlueIdaho]

76. Wrong...

While were a few Aryans in Sandpoint - the world headquarters was in Hayden Lake Idaho. In fact Sandpoint is more liberal than most of northern Idaho. Coeur d Alene is not as liberal but has a VERY active Human Rights Council and membership MUCH larger than the local Aryan Nations membership. In fact the Aryan Nations as an entity no longer exists - thanks to law suits brought by The Taskforce and "prosecuted" by Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center. How do I know? I live in the area.

[IDemo]

91. Nobody here wants to hear that, Blue

I have to wade through a crowd of hooded figures just to get to the mailbox and back. Just ask any of the Idaho "experts" here.

[KingOfLostSouls]

95. wrong

these are legitimate questions.



like I said, it could be chasing shadows, but its better to get to the facts than to simply dismiss them



I find your remarks about willing to dismiss ANYTHING republicans do after the past 8 years a bit disturbing. rather than support sarah palin, you should be supporting her being properly vetted and investigated.


we already know shes a corrupt politician who is part of a church that attacks israel. what else is there?


I'm not willing to give the party of bush the benefit of the doubt, are you?

[IDemo]

97. You've got a badly twisted sense of logic

I DO NOT SUPPORT PALIN. Nor is it in any way suggestive of support for her to set the facts straight on people's incorrect beliefs about my state. For you to try to connect one to the other is also "a bit disturbing".

I'm all for a thorough vetting of Caribou Barbie by DU, the Obama campaign, and the Democratic Party, since the repubs didn't think it was necessary. But to do so with any integrity requires dealing with the facts, not simply the facts as you wish to see them.

[BlueIdaho]

106. Amen

Anyone who thinks I'm supporting or excusing Sarah Failin needs to think again. I'm all for highlighting issues that will lose her votes. Her stance on abortion, stem cell research, censorship, abuse of power, and her extremist fundamentalist christian values will all turn voters away from her in droves. But folks also need to realize that there is a very real chance there are more racists in their home state than the tiny little Idaho.

[Life Long Dem]

77. If you accuse her, you might as well accuse the whole area of Sandpoint's people as well

because by your view the whole area is guilty of racism. And I would have to say Idaho doesn't like your broad stroke picture of the area. Sandpoint fought hard to remove this group, something you fail to mention.

[KingOfLostSouls]

78. Instead of supporting Sarah Palin

you should be asking questions to make sure she's properly vetted.



these are proper questions to be asked of any VP candidate in the GOP with a questionable past who's had ZERO scrutiny.




is that the smell of freeper on you?

[Life Long Dem]

98. You have a lot of DU'ers constantly saying watch the attacks.

So if you watched them I wouldn't have to waste my time.

[Idaho_Independent]

87. Idaho

That is a broad stroke to claim that looking into one families possible ties to white supremacists is an indictment of a state and a region.

Jennifer C posted above where a possible first cousin of Sarah Palin denied the family connection. I think it is worth looking into. No one is accusing, merely researching. It is our vote, and we have a right to know about a candidate and his or her beliefs and background.

[WheelWalker]

81. k&r!

[Overseas]

92. Yes please, chase this one down !! //nt

[demo dutch]

96. I was wondering about any racial stuff she might have said that might come out

[kestrel91316]

100. I've been asking this since Day One with Palin. And for her family

to move from ID, where there are few minorities, to rural ID, where there are even fewer, smacks of Aryan separatism.

How does the Aryan Nation-style separatism mesh with the AIP separatism/secessionism? What Aryan Nation code words did she use in her speech? I caught the "pit bull" reference, but were there others?

The mocking, derisive hate speech against "community organizers" with respect to Obama, a black man, is a DIRECT racist-style attack on blacks.

I think we've got her number. Serena Joy Talipalin is a fire-breathing racist.

[kestrel91316]

102. Let's summarize the clues poining toward a Palin/white supremacist

connection:

From Sandpoint, ID
Left for a place with FEWER minorities
AIP has white supremacist connections
A of G church she goes to is virulently antisemitic
Fondness for things "nordic" - son named "Trig" (Trygg), pic of her with nordic constumed types
Hates residents of cities - divisive hate speech
Hates "community organizers", esp Obama who is black (community organizers serve primarily poor inner city minorities)
"Pit bull" comment combined with attack on community organizers - coded speech to let Aryan Nations crowd know she is one of them?

I know this is thin, but I have pretty good instincts about obscure stuff like this. AND GET THIS: my assistant, who has in the past flirted with skinhead culture and knows it VERY well (don't worry, she's a liberal Dem now that she's an adult) said in no uncertain terms that Palin is sending out subtle code identifying her to the skinhead types.

[chatnoir]

123. Sending out subtle code?

Did she mention any specifics? Now that is freaking chilling.

I know I got a very hateful, sneering vibe off her while watching her speech. Couldn't put my finger on it then but I felt a revulsion in the pit of my stomach, sth about her gave me the creeps.

[nyc 4 Biden]

105. k&r

[Catherine Vincent]

108. Maybe that's why her family left Idaho.

They didn't want no part of it. I saw their parents last night and they seemed like a very nice couple. :shrug:

[slackmaster]

109. They left because young Sarah wanted to be in beauty pageants

She didn't want to risk becoming "Miss I-da-ho".

[Catherine Vincent]

110. LOL!

Hard to believe that's the first time I've heard this joke. :)

[slackmaster]

111. It's only the second time I have posted it

:hi:

[starroute]

112. NRA, white supremacists, and Aryan Nations

I found this Rolling Stone article from 1995 -- at the peak of the 90's militia craze and soon after the shooting of Randy Weaver -- that may be relevant. In particular, I was surprised to see to what extent the white supremacists had a dominant role in the NRA at that time.

It was also interesting to see gun advocate Larry Platt playing a central role, since he has ties not only to the Council for National Policy, which has been pushing Palin's nomination, and to Pat Buchanan, but also to Iran-Contra intrigues. I've added some more on Pratt below.


http://www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia7.html

"We need to remember the Muslims' saying - that my enemy's enemy is my friend," said Tample. "You know, we've got a common goal…to restore and even establish Christian government in this land." Temple wanted the groups to undertake a strategic shift. The first stage would be to embark on building a national network; the second, according to Identity doctrine, would end with the creation of an al-white Christian republic.

That approach meant men like Lyons would work side by side with people who were not white supremacists, people who operated in the mainstream but who shared the movement's agenda and many of its beliefs. In particular it meant alliances with gun lobbyists like Pratt. Pratt recognized "the importance of having an armed militia able to organize quickly and effectively." But he also understood the need to work within the mainstream. "I think that all gun laws are unconstitutional," Pratt said, "so we need leadership in the Congress to articulate our position."

The change in strategy meant one thing: It signaled the transformation of the gun lobby. Organizations like GOA or even the National Rifle Association, which were devoted to the single issue of firearms, would become the leading edge of a far right, multi-issue assault on government institutions and democratic rights. The gun lobby would be at the center of a web of right-wing warriors. . . .

Guns are not the only issue where Pratt's financial and political support has been useful to the far right. His involvement in the right's broad agenda shows just how deeply unmeshed in a web of organizations that support right-wing causes - from anti-immigration to abortion to Oliver North's failed Senate candidacy. It also shows how often the paths of mainstream political figures and far-right radicals cross. Consider the Council for National Policy, of which Pratt is a member.


http://www.mail-archive.com/[e-mail]/msg88715.html

A SMALL CIRCLE OF FRIENDS:
Larry Pratt, the Council for Inter-American Security and International Fascist Networks

Recent allegations of anti-Semitism and racism levelled against Larry Pratt, a national co-chairman of the Buchanan for President campaign committee, is an intriguing example of media obfuscation and "truth" on the half-shell. That Pratt addressed the 1992 "Christian Men's Meeting," organized by notorious Christian Identity racist, Pete Peters, is an established fact. That Pratt shared the platform with Aryan Nations _fuhrer_, Richard Butler and "former" Klan "Grand Dragon," Louis Beam, the neo-Nazi architect of "leaderless resistance," is incontestable. That he gave a speech at the 1993 Jubilation Conference in Sacramento, California, an annual gathering of far-rightists' sponsored by the anti-Semitic publisher of _Jubilee_, the flagship tabloid of the Christian Identity movement, is true and has been accurately reported by the bourgeois press.

What should be of equal concern to the media is information about Mr. Pratt which is far more damaging -- his close collaboration over a 20 year period with an international network of war criminals, neo-Nazi terrorists, and the organizers of Asian, European and Latin American death squads. But because such activities advanced the geopolitical and military goals of the United States, Pratt's actual record is passed over in _silence_; a facet of media self-censorship that has been well- documented elsewhere. . . .

The Council for Inter-American Security (CIS) is a rightist outfit that played a pivotal role formulating Washington's program for counter-revolutionary war and mass murder in Central America during the 1980s. Larry Pratt, was a central figure within the CIS hierarchy as was Patrick Buchanan; Pratt was secretary to the group while Buchanan functioned as an organizational director (see Appendix for complete list of board members and principle players).

But CIS was more than a New Right think-tank researching and formulating foreign policy for the Reagan administration. The group functioned in a dual-capacity; as an alarmist "public policy institute" and as a domestic spy ring, a "privatized" version of the FBI's infamous COINTELPRO operations. Having staked-out Latin America as their geopolitical niche, CIS targeted Central America solidarity activists, progressive clergy, and the Salvadoran exile community. The group gathered intelligence and disseminated disinformation, funneling data on foreign policy opponents to the FBI and the intelligence service of the Salvadoran death squad state.

[starroute]

116. Here's a Palin supporter's website to enjoy

In poking around, I stumbled on the website of Larry D. Wood of Palmer, Alaska -- a town about 10 miles east of Wasilla.

http://www.wood-alaska.com/

Wood has clearly been a supporter of Palin (see below), as well as an active member of the Alaskan Independence Party. Beyond that I have no idea how closely connected he might be with her. However, I think that at the very least, his site may provide some useful clues for the context out of which she emerges.

Aside from some references to 9/11, Wood's page gives every appearance of being a relic of 1996, when it was first posted -- complete with animated gifs of the US and Alaskan flags and a statement at the top, "Best viewed with Netscape!"

Slogans haphazardly scattered around below the page heading include "God Bless the U.S.A!," "These colors do not run!," and "Proud Americans, and Proud to be Alaskan!" This is followed by a band of military photos and more slogans -- "WAR!," "GO USA!," "Death to our enemies!," "The U.N. can go straight to Hell!," and "Protect and preserve our Sovereignty!"

This guy isn't exactly shy about his feelings, is he?

A little further down are links to various hard-core gun groups, including Alan Gottlieb's Second Amendment Foundation and Larry Pratt's Gun Owners of America, as well as some anti-immigration links. (Pratt is the guy I posted about up-thread, the one with the Pat Buchanan and white supremacist ties.) Then comes the 9/11 section ...

Wood has apparently been associated with the Alaskan Independence Party. A listing of past officials at the party's website (http://www.akip.org/history.html) names him as a vice chairman of their 2002 convention, until he resigned in April 2003. (2002 was the last year that Todd Palin was registered as an AIP member.)

He also seems to know Palin. A site called freedomwriter.com -- which sports that same animated gif of the Alaskan flag -- includes an unpublished letter Wood wrote to the editor of the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman in 2006, when Palin was running for governor, complaining about "the second rate treatment the Frontiersman gave Sarah Palin in its treatment of her candidacy in Tuesday’s paper." (http://www.freedomwriter.com/issue35/ak31.htm)

Wood goes on to refer to Palin by her first name -- writing, "The front page contained a centered quote in large type from Mr. Binkley. His article was definitely prioritized by placement. His picture was forward facing while Sarah’s was a side shot. Sarah’s article was relegated to the remaining, narrow vertical column space on the edge of the front page."

And he says further, "Her uncompromising ethics, her fiscal conservatism, her pro-life and Christian belief, her strong family values, her all-Alaska pipeline preference, and her Alaska and Alaskan’s first position on resource development all set her far above her competition. I know where Sarah Palin stands. I have no doubt about her ability to do the job of governor of the State of Alaska."

So -- clearly one of Palin's fans. The only question is to what extent she might share his attachments.

[ContinentalOp]

118. Aryan nation? She looks hispanic to me.

Her family doesn't exactly look like nordic poster children.

[mitchum]

121. Maybe that's why she tries so fervently to be a good little Nazi?

[chatnoir]

120. Kick

:kick:

[deaniac21]

122. Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo

You're living in your own Private Idaho
Living in your own Private Idaho
Underground like a wild potato.
Don't go on the patio.
Beware of the pool,
blue bottomless pool.
It leads you straight
right throught the gate
that opens on the pool.

You're living in your own Private Idaho.
You're living in your own Private Idaho.

Keep off the path, beware the gate,
watch out for signs that say "hidden driveways".
Don't let the chlorine in your eyes
blind you to the awful surprise
that's waitin' for you at
the bottom of the bottomless blue blue blue pool.

You're livin in your own Private Idaho. Idaho.
You're out of control, the rivers that roll,
you fell into the water and down to Idaho.
Get out of that state,
get out of that state you're in.
You better beware.

You're living in your own Private Idaho.
You're living in your own Private Idaho.

Keep off the patio,
keep off the path.
The lawn may be green
but you better not be seen
walkin' through the gate that leads you down,
down to a pool fraught with danger
is a pool full of strangers.

You're living in your own Private Idaho,
where do I go from here to a better state than this.
Well, don't be blind to the big surprise
swimming round and round like the deadly hand
of a radium clock, at the bottom, of the pool.

I-I-I-daho
I-I-I-daho
Woah oh oh woah oh oh woah oh oh
Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah
Get out of that state
Get out of that state
You're living in your own Private Idaho,
livin in your own Private.... Idaho