A quick DU poll to assess the perceptions of our group wrt Palin's 5th child

[JVS]

Poll question: A quick DU poll to assess the perceptions of our group wrt Palin's 5th child

Please vote

[Richardo]

1. You forgot 'It's none of our business' or 'I'm more concerned about her total lack of qualfications"

[JVS]

3. No. It is our business because this could be a chance to fuck over a political opponent.

[Richardo]

5. Which goes to my suggested option #2

[JVS]

10. I'm not interested in those options.

What I'm interested in finding is DU's take on the question and we either roll with her story, or we doubt it.

[Richardo]

12. I say we ignore her story altogether.

[JVS]

14. I say, if you want to ignore the story go ahead and leave those of us who don't want to...

ignore it to discuss it in peace.

[Richardo]

21. Hey, you posted the poll

[JVS]

23. Do you argue at the polling places when you vote in an election?

Look out for tasers, bro.

[RichardRay]

39. I like the option for a write in, and most elections have them...

What you're doing there is called a 'take away close', or, at best, a false dichotomy.

[Midlodemocrat]

49. I disagree. If this story is true and that baby is indeed

her daughter's, it is a slap in the face to things that that horrible woman stands for. Abstinence Only Education and No birth control. period. even between married couples.

Additionally, if it IS true, then she's a liar. Her story about getting on the plane with leaking amniotic fluid is a lie.

And, personally, for me, I have counseled many pregnant teenagers and this kind of subterfuge will wreak havoc as the teenaged mom ages. That might not have been the case many years ago when we sent girls away to visit Aunt Flo for eight months, but nowadays, people are far more accepting of young girls who get pregnant before marriage.

I think either way, it speaks volumes about the character of Ms. Palin.


But, I still luvs you.

[marylanddem]

2. Thanks for doing this poll - I think her honesty or lack thereof

is VERY important. It's the trolls who are trying to act as if we have no right to discuss it or it's
"beneath" us. Bullshit.

[Richardo]

9. You said the same thing about Clinton in 98, right?

Right?

[JVS]

19. If I had been a republican, I sure as hell would have doubted the judgement of those...

within the republican party who would say "let's not look into this, I don't think we can any mileage out of it"

[Richardo]

24. I wasn't talking to you, but that's about the saddest statement I've heard today

You're in favor of instigating a Constitutional crisis to make a political point. Yay you.

Never mind that the whole thing blew up in the GOP's faces. Clinton sailed throught the whole thing with 60+% approval ratings...because people thought it was bullshit.

[JVS]

27. While the Republicans did overplay their hand in impeachment...

1998-2006 have been happy years for them. They made bill a lame duck for the final 2 years of his presidency, they made a lot of our leaders look like fools for believing Clinton, and then there are questions about whether 2000 would have been theirs without the scandal's aftermath.

[marylanddem]

26. As a Democrat, I was disgusted with Clinton & his behavior.

And said so.

[Richardo]

28. Thank you

You're consistent.

[anigbrowl]

29. Clinton damaged his own reputation by lying.

He should have either refused to talk about it, or bitten the bullet and say 'OK, ya got me'. Republicans made far too much of it, Clinton made it easy for them or run around yelping 'Oh noes'. Dissembling was a foolish thing to do, as we learned to our cost.

[saltpoint]

4. My vote is that the point is not whose child it is or whose version is

believed, but rather that if the child's mother / grandmother LOSES the 2008 election, it is much more likely that that child will grow up in a nation of more welcoming and inclusive protections than would have been the case if his mother / grandmother WINS the 2008 election.

Go, Democrats.

[democrat2thecore]

32. Absolutely, Old Crusoe. -nt

[Seen the light]

6. That's it, I've had it

Like I usually do when DU gets distracted by some bullshit shiny thingy, I'm going to have to start using the ignore button.

Wake me up when this thing is over with.

[Quixote1818]

15. What is wrong with letting a couple of people check into it?

What if it's true? I personally am not caught up in this story but I do hope a handful of people are looking into this to see if something did go on. There are only a handful of threads on the subject. Let them run their course.

[npincus]

7. this story is stupid and will backfire on us...

she was a monumentally idiotic choice, McCain really stepped in shit this time- don't make her a sympathetic figure by going there. I think it's in the bag, for us, if we don't fuck it up.

[Orangepeel]

8. "doubt her story" could mean anything from "exaggerated b/c she's a drama queen" to "pulled a Bree"

Personally, I'm with the poster from AK (CampDem?) who posted the theory that she wasn't leaking fluid in Texas but added that to the story for dramatic effect. She probably started contractions on the plane.

"Doubt her story" does not necessarily mean that she created an elaborate hoax.

Did she tell anyone in Houston that she was leaving because of the fluid or did she just tell a reporter after the baby was born? If it is the former, I think somebody should ask her why she did such a reckless thing. It doesn't show good judgment.

[JVS]

13. Well yeah. That's why investigation is necessary. And hushing people for asking questions is no...

way to get to the truth.

[Orangepeel]

22. I agree. But I think the place to start asking questions is "why didn't you go to a hospital?"

rather than "did you fake your pregnancy to cover up for your daughter." Jumping to the far-fetched is the quickest way to make people dismiss the whole thing.

[obamican]

11. I don't beleive her story at all

[gravity]

16. Her story is good enough for me

She could have fudged some minor details, but I am 99% sure it is her child.

Lets keep the debate in reality. There are so many more things we can criticize her for, and John McCain for picking her.

[rug]

17. When are you going to post photos of her daughter's shredded hymen?

It may help fuck over a political opponent.

[high density]

18. I doubt her story but don't give a shit

As many character flaws Palin has, this would not be one of them in my opinion.

[woolldog]

20. How about: "I don't care."

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[marylanddem]

30. Demonic Beasts?

Wow, some people REALLY want this discussion to go away.

[Sisaruus]

31. We are sick.

IF (big IF) it turns out to be true, do you really think our attacks will be perceived as being solely directed at her. There are two minor children who are (already) the collateral damage on this warfare on the Palin wombs. How do we come out looking like the good guys on this? IF it's true, she protected her teenage daughter and didn't abandon a grandchild with disabilities. She's going to look like the mother-of-the-century. We on the other hand are simply being evil.

This woman should not be VP for any number of legitimate reasons. And we can't get past an obsession with her uterus. We are sick.

[zeemike]

33. Until she made it a public issue I could have cared less

But she was the one that used it to bolster her credentuals.... and if she lied then she is no different than clinton who told us that he did not have sex with that woman.
It is not about the baby or the children, it is about lies and deception which is dangerous in a VP or a president that has a finger on a button that could destroy all life on earth.
Just because she is a women with the ability to have a baby does not make her untouchable in politics. Hillery certainly was not.

[blondeatlast]

42. So you are a demonic beast too? nt

[blondeatlast]

41. Us demonic beasts just LUVZ us some pizza, too, I smell some now,

just in time for lunch in my time zone!

[PeaceNikki]

34. Will DU's opinion make it any more or less true?

No. It makes us look like idiots who are too stupid to focus on real issues.

[JVS]

35. I wanted to see if the naysayers are just an overly loud minority on this board.

it turns out they are. The mob has spoken.

[PeaceNikki]

36. It's a fucking ridiculous poll.

It's not about "believing" the story, it's about leaving it the fuck alone. The tabloids will be all over it, we should focus on the FUCKING ISSUES.

[JVS]

40. You go focus on another issue.

Leave this slime-mongering to those of us who want to do it. This fighting is a waste of time

[hexola]

37. Makes more sense they were both pregnant and Sarah had a late-term abortion.

It makes much more sense to me that both the Palin women were pregnant.

Sarahs pregnancy was going poorly, child was showing signs of not developing properly. Being in politicial bind (obviously she cant have an abortion) - she elects to go forward with the pregnancy.

At the same time - the daughter is pregnant and kept out of school to hide the pregnancy.

Sarahs pregnancy goes from bad to worse.

When Bristol goes into labor, Sarah flies home to "give birth" and has late term abortion instead.

This provides the political motivation to cover this up -

The fake pregnancy thing is not it...no way. Too far fetched.

The scenario I present is a bit more plausible.

[JVS]

43. huh?

[hexola]

45. Something here is stinky - but I can't buy the fake pregnancy thing...

That is just TOO out there...

So Im positing an alternative scenario...

[JVS]

47. Oh yeah. Just because we don't buy her version doesn't mean we know what happened

We have to hypothesize and then test the hypothesis with evidence

[hexola]

48. Exactly - Im saying she was pregnant for sure...

The pics are convincing enough...

But not a healthy looking pregnancy...hence my speculation.

[goldcanyonaz]

38. NOMB!

None of my business.

[vaberella]

44. How about "ignore her baby story"? Or "her baby story is a smoke screen"?

[JVS]

46. No. One acknowledges either one narrative or the other