Is this *'s DD-214? If not, how can you tell?

[Touchdown]

It's been said here that his DD-214 is fabricated, non-existent, and has a strange SSN#. Everything here seems to be in order. It also shows that he has two awards...is this what Walt's talking about? Or are these something different?

Is this a fake? If so, how can you tell?

[Nlighten1]

1. He doesn't have a DD-214

There was a different form for discharge back then if memory serves.

[AmerDem]

2. where did you find it?

I haven't been following this so much but if in fact this is what they were looking for...where did you find it?

[Touchdown]

7. glcq.com

It's a gif, so if I give you a link, it'll just put it up again.

glcq.com/docs/discharge_form_gif

Just put the www. in front.

[gcomeau]

10. They weren't looking for this.

They already had it. Item 24 is exerpted right in Walt's post on the topic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=675299&mesg_id=675299

Neither of those is the award in question.

And I doubt it's a fake...

-Grant

EDIT: Oh, and for anyone who wants to browse through those records, here's a good place to start:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm

Lots of fun stuff in there. Dig around.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Why would he use Havard Business School

as his permanent address? That's really odd.

Hadn't he graduated 6 years earlier?

[Bluebear]

4. If he had a 6 year obligation, why has he not completed it?

You say everything looks in order but whatever that document is shows Bush was deficient for 7 months of duty, or am I missing something?

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. I think he got out earlier

because the war had ended and he asked to be released from his commitment?

[Bluebear]

6. You know what else is odd, "Place of Birth"

Surely he could not have been born in Connecticut! Why, isn't he a rootin'-tootin' cowboah? Word is Bush is less ashamed of his service record than his place of birth and wants all birth certificates scrubbed and changed to "Snakebite, Texas". Oh, and 5 years younger 'cause he's a vain little dandy.

[July]

17. And it says he's 5'11". I thought his staff swears he's 6'.

Of course, every picture that shows his shoes tells you he's getting an inch or more from the full sole padding.

[madmax]

8. Why didn't he sign it?

"NOT AVAILABLE FOR SIGNATURE"? Of course not, he was AWOL!

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Good catch

Not Available?

[JLFinch]

22. See this side-by-side service comparison chart...

From the DNC website.

http://www.democrats.org/wherewasbush/fullchart.html


See last entry in the table regarding the "Not Available for Signature". They've had this up there for quite some time. In fact, I think it is mentioned on one of the ads (can't remember if it's MoveOn or DNC) running now...

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. There's not a lot about this form that adds up, literally

Am I reading this right,

First he put in 53 weeks from May, 1968 thru Nov, 1969

Then he gets credit for 5 more weeks in Feb, 1970

Then he gets credit for 16 more weeks in Jan 197(0)?

There is no credit for any time from 1971 - 1973.

Then they claim he completed 5 years, 4 months and 5 days by the time he is discharged on Oct. 1, 1973. I'd like to learn how they do math?


Second, why he he being discharged from the Texas Tang in 1973, when he had been reassigned years earlier to Alabama. Shouldn't he have gotten his discharge from Alabama at that point.

[ewagner]

12. May thru September

Looks like he attended Basic Training as An Enlisted Man , graduated from Basic and was taggede to be an Admin Specialist. but then got a Direct Commission in the TANG . He is credited with those three months service in Basic.

[ezekiel333]

13. Alabama Transfer

<http://www.glcq.com/trans.htm>

[AirAmFan]

14. NO! The date is wrong. It's only his 10/73 transfer

into the Air Reserve for the last leg of his military obligation, which ended for good in November 1974. This document is his discharge from the Texas Air National Guard (TANG), not from the military entirely.

The simplest access to ALL KNOWN Bush military records is partly in timeline form at http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp What you have is link "ANG22.gif". Note Item 32 ('Remarks') of this TANG discharge certificate says he "has completed 5 years, 4 months, and 5 days" toward a six-year military service obligation. That credit would put the six year point at 5/26/74, a date mentioned in most of Dubya's documents starting from his May 1968 acceptance into TANG.

What we want is an "undeleted DD214" dated November 1974, discharging Dubya from the Air Force Reserve, and summarizing his entire military career, with informative codes characterizing his service. Though Dubya had been discharged from the ANG in October 1973, at that date he still had more than six months to go on a 6-year service commitment. Starting in October 1973, Dubya was no longer in the Air National Guard. He was an Air Force reservist, period.

We know that he was discharged from his final military obligations on November 21 1974 because of the third from last page of http://www.texasturkey.us/backup/bushdd214.pdf . This Reserve Order CB-6892 from the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver says, "the above named officer is relieved from assignment and honorably discharged from all appointments in the United States Air Force.

Note that it's dated November 21 1974, SIX MONTHS AFTER his long-scheduled May 26 1974 date. Evidently, HQ extended Dubya's tour as part of punishment for his AWOL starting in May 1972. But the WH has not released the November 1974 DD214 that would explain everything.

[Xipe Totec]

15. Look At Bottom Left Hand Corner

It is NGB Form 22, from the National Guard. Contrast to John Kerry's DD214, which clearly states DD 214 on the bottom left hand corner:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

[DoYouEverWonder]

Seems like different forms for different folks

Similar to a DD 214, the NGB Form 22: Report of Separation and Record of Service is issued to a reservist when discharged from the Army national Guard or Air National Guard. The format is the same regardless of which component of the National Guard the reservist served under.


http://mirage.towerauction.net/la/coe_ngb.htm

[Xipe Totec]

20. Yes, DD214 and NGB-22 Serve Similar Purposes But...

Since Dubya served the last few months in the Air Force Reserve, and not the National Guard, he should have a DD 214 to cover the gap in his service record. The NGB-22 does not cover his entire term of service.

Walter Star covered all this in remarkable detail.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. Delete - Dupe post

[Touchdown]

18. Looking at Kerry's 214, it says Silver Star "V"

Which is what that loonie at the Sun Times says nobody gets in the Navy. Can a Navy vet around here clarify that?

I understand it means Valor, but is it just a typo, or a clerical oversight? I also see his Bronze star has a "V" next to it as well.

I'm getting a lot of accusations from some mouth breathers on another forum, who think they found the "smoking gun" in this Sun Times article, and are now saying he never earned his Silver Star...that he...wait for it...is wearing a medal he id not earn. :eyes:

I trust Kerry, and don't need proof for myself, but I would like to bash them with the facts, since that's how these Freeptards breed...they let un-responded to innuendo fester into an un-challenged urban legend... See "Clinton: the only pardoned felon to be President."

[Xipe Totec]

19. No "V" Device on Silver Star Because it is Redundant

"Valor" is one of the qualifying requirements for the Silver Star. Therefore the "V" is implicit in the Silver Star rather than explicitly added as a device.

[JLFinch]

21. A good link to all of the records released on both sides...

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp


This website says that Bush's last DD-214 is missing.