What I've learned today on DU..

[1awake]

1) Sexism is a bad thing, unless it serves our purposes

2) Women should have the same rights/choices as men, unless their not in our camp

3) It's ok to make fun of children's names

4) The ends justify the means

5) Having a child out of wedlock makes one a probable whore



I'll end it there. Flame me if you will, but some people here make the Damn freepers look like saints.



~1awake

[redqueen]

1. Thread number 16 at LEAST (stopped counting). About *SOME* DUers.

Brilliant. Truly necessary.

[1awake]

2. Depends..

if you mean there are 16 people who stood up against the vile posts, then yes.. its a great thing indeed. On the other hand if there were 16 threads that were trash, then Du has more to worry about the who the Repug's VP choice is.

very necessary

[redqueen]

7. Sure why not... I'll go count them and edit my post. (nt)

[TwilightGardener]

3. Word. This must be Faux Grievance Day. I must be missing all these

mythological misogynistic threads--I saw a couple. Holy Jesus, make it stop.

[Solon]

5. It may just be a few DUers, but most of them happen to be very prolific posters...

on DU, and have been for a long time. The fact of the matter is that sexism, and 1950s mentality about a "woman's place" seems to be widespread on this board, if only directed towards members of the GOP.

[redqueen]

32. That's a COMPLETE mischaracterization.

People are pointing the fact that she doesn't meet the FUNDIE's definition of a "good mother".

I'm shocked that you can't tell the difference.

[Solon]

38. Only a few have pointed that out....

However, quite a few others seem to be spouting personal opinions about Palin's personal life and decisions without any qualifications to that effect, and then defend them as their opinions. In that case, there isn't a difference between those opinions and the opinions of Fundies.

[redqueen]

43. I'd say you have it backwards...

guess it's a matter of perception and absent a study we'll have to agree to disagree about it.

However as for opinions and fundies... it's one thing for a mother to comment on the decision to run for VP while you have a 4 month old special needs baby... quite another for holier-than-thou DUers to get up on their high horse (in most cases for the umpteenth time) in order to shake their finger at anyone who DARES criticize that kind of choice. We are all entitled to our opinions.

One opinion questions judgment... the other questions the right of anyone to even hold such an opinion, let alone voice it. I don't think I have to tell you which of those two things I find more abhorrent.

[Solon]

45. They have a right to their opinion, and I have the right to call it stupid, hypocritical...

and sexist. The fact of the matter is that if she wasn't a woman, then no one on DU would have brought it up in the first place. Why do women have to bear the burden of child rearing, and have to modify their professional lives around that? That is what I object to, placing a burden on women while giving men a pass. That type of opinion is bigoted and hypocritical to hold, period.

[lligrd]

4. What I Have Learned Is That Some On DU Think Being A Woman

makes one above reproach. Questioning a potential VP's decisions is what we are supposed to do. This one hasn't made many that don't involve populating an already overpopulated world.

[LeftishBrit]

62. No, being a woman does not make someone above reproach

A woman leader practically ruined my country not long ago.

However, I am totally against the sort of attacks that will harm women - and others who make unconventional decisions - in the long run. It's fair to attack her for hypocrisy in welcoming the support of fundie groups who oppose women's right to equality and a career; while she accepts these rights herself. It's not OK to attack her for pursuing her political career when she has a child with special needs (when it's totally accepted that *fathers* of children with special needs, such as David Cameron over here, have a right to pursue their careers) - unless you want to make life harder for ALL women who combine motherhood and career. It's certainly not OK to attack her (allegedly) pregnant daughter as a 'slut', unless you want to encourage a culture of misogyny, harshness, and double standards about sexual behaviour, that affect ALL women and girls.

I don't care if Palin as an individual is attacked; she can go to hell for all I care. I *do* care if judgmental sexist attitudes, that harm all women, are whipped up in the process.

[Nipper1959]

66. Right on

Lets call a spade a spade and a republican a fucking liar. Nothing sexist about that! There are so many thin skinned people on this site. Bil Clinton rightly said that politics is a contact sport, and Ms. Palin just jumped into the biggest league of all. She better be able to take some hits. I have no sympathy for her, she and her ilk have practically destroyed this country. If she is bruised and battered by people exercising their right to free speech so be it. Waaa fucking Waaaa.

[tekisui]

6. I have also learned that good DUers will call it out.

And, threads get locked, and people get banned.

[blondeatlast]

17. Thank you. today, I took everyone OFF of "ignore," because I'm ready to take out the trash for good.

[kimmerspixelated]

26. Love it!

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[lligrd]

10. I Don't Think They Do Understand That

and that is pretty scary.

[Fearless]

16. No kidding.

[spoony]

15. You call someone an idiot and then use "irregardless"?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. It's a perfectly crombulent word.

Irregardless of how inflammable this thread is.

[Tesibria]

22. :::Snap!!!!::::: nt

[1awake]

19. wow

I won't even go into what you wrote and what you called me. If someone can't attack a person without falling to sexism, they are the idiots.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. Did you know John McCain can't remember how many houses he has?

Just thought concern trolls would want to remember what it is they're fighting for.

[1awake]

23. wtf does that

have to do with using sexism as a tool in one hand while screaming its evils?? The ends justify the means.. I get it, its listed above.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Do you remember how many houses you have?

Have you got any houses?

[redqueen]

35. They're fighting to intensity ridiculous arguments here.

That's all. Pointless, but it kills some time and makes them feel proud.

[Fearless]

11. Hatred of A woman does not create hatred for ALL women.

Sorry no dice.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

27. Good to know. Calling some black people the N word is also cool, then?

It is fine to hate a woman, but not FOR BEING A WOMAN.

Expressing one's hatred for Sarah Palin by suggesting she is a whore because she's attractive, or dumb because she has large breasts is the same as throwing rotten watermelons at Condi Rice.

The issue in that case would be the propriety of throwing rotten watermelons at black people for ANY reason, not Condi Rice's litany of crimes.

[redqueen]

36. Nobody is going to defend anyone who called anyone a slut.

I can't help but think lots of people here are intentionally conflating a discussion of issues which don't matter to us but do matter to fundies with actual attacks (e.g. calling someone a 'slut').

I wonder why they'd do that.

[Fearless]

41. Who said any of that?

[New Dawn]

28. Good point.

For example, I hate Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel and Condoleezza Rice, because they are right-wingers.

[NashVegas]

50. Except This Would Make Hatred For Two Women

When you include what was said about Hillary Clinton from January up until about 3 days ago.

[Fearless]

60. Then maybe it's not hatred of gender or sex but of the notions or stances they take.

[Lifetimedem]

12. I have seen a lot of the same things

I am hoping it is just because of the desire to have BO elected

[willing dwarf]

13. We'll really loose If "we" win the election and dismiss our values

Tolerance, inclusiveness, empathy, respect and integrity are all we've got to sew together into a mantle of legitmate power. If those values aren't there, I don't care who wins the election.

But the great thing about Obama is that he is a noble person and he gives an example of how to lead with integrity. Like he said -- the election is about us. We need to hold fast to those values, no matter what!

[tekisui]

14. Is this a copycat thread?

[spoony]

18. 6 ) Citing Desperate Housewives in support of a conspiracy theory

is totally not stupid, as it would appear on the surface to be.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. I have learned that some woman on DU are ok with getting in the mud against a candidate as long as..

that candidate happens to be a male. Being a woman does not mean we can vet her ourself.

[Life Long Dem]

24. You take things too seriousely.

[1awake]

29. you may be right,

but having a low post count or not, I hold DU in high esteem.. so these things bother me.

[Life Long Dem]

40. Wouldn't you have to say Palin is the choice because Palin chose this, or herself?

I mean, isn't it McSame's fault for his decision? And wouldn't this be insulting to McSame - to point out this to McSame - and by doing so wouldn't Palin be the one not at fault - because it was McSame's choice. And if he chose a waitress I'd also make fun of his choice. But the waitress - hit the jackpot - and it's not her fault for her lack of experience or for any other reason McSame chose her.

Everybody needs to go after McSame, for his choice.



McSame be the insulted one and not Palin's who really had no choice in choosing the VP position.

[1awake]

47. Mcsame...

I see him as a front man... a power play within the republican party, and thats exactly what it is. The conservative's are on the ropes and they know it. The only reason they are backing Mcsame is because they have no other choice.. that and voting for a Democrat in their small minds would be sacrilege. either way.. the conservatives as a whole are broken whether we win or lose, and that makes me smile at night.

but your right.. eye on the ball, always.. eye on the ball.

[treestar]

25. It is not sexism, it is about Republicans

How can anyone identify with this woman and be a DUer! She is a REPUBLICAN! Quit defending her as the victim of sexism. SHE IS A REPUBLICAN. And one that has not shown she can mount a campaign for President and win votes in it, unlike HRC, Biden and Obama. And we are commenting on the idiocy of Republicans.

All her personal decisions are up for discussion because the REPUBLICANS make it an issue when it is a Democrat´s personal issue. Edwards and Big Dawg lived with it. Then so can this bimbo!!!!!!

McDuffer is old and there is no way we should have a President who never tried to run for the office and never grew a base of people who supported her for it.

She is not Hillary. She is a REPUBLICAN! A REPUBLICAN, do you hear me!

[1awake]

31. she is a republican,

and one I will never vote for. Regardless, I am not defending her...I'm defending our own ethics.

[LeftishBrit]

63. That's not it. She's not a 'victim of sexism'; in fact she's a beneficiary of it.

But attacking her personal decisions is subscribing to a culture which attacks women in general for their personal decisions, when men are left much freer to make their decisions. And the 'pregnancy' rumours, and especially use of her teenage daughter, are subscribing to a culture that attacks girls as 'sluts' and maintains a double standard.

I'll attack her as an unqualified far-RW theocratic fundie, who would deny women the right to choose, sell out Alaska (and if she gets the chance, the whole planet) to Big Oil, and should certainly not be one elderly man's heartbeat way from being the most powerful person in the world. FFS, SHE SUPPORTED PAT BUCHANAN!!!!! Isn't that more worthy of attack than a pregnancy rumour? Not to mention that she more-or-less admitted that she doesn't know what a Vice-President's job is!

[K8-EEE]

30. Suggestion: Rather than call the entire board to the Principal's office

Could the lecturers try to confine their complaints to the actual threads where this is happening? And the actual remarks that offend them?

I'm really sick of people getting on their soapbox and starting these kind of finger wagging threads. It's a bore.

[1awake]

34. go read a book

You don't like reading these type of posts.. I don't like reading right wing BS coming from DU. It's a wash

[Dollface]

33. Guilty, but I was just funnin'. I like people with funny names, like Barak Obama!

Borrowed from DUer Stern21

The top 10 things you should know about Sarah Palin:


1) She is under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power

2) She supports big oil (her husband works for an oil company)

3) She is opposed to listing the Polar Bear as an engangered species, and is suing the federal government

4) She supports Pebble Mine which will destroy the richest salmon run in the world

5) She supports aerial shooting of bears and wolves in Alaska

6) She is strongly opposed to reproductive rights for women

7) She supports drilling in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge

8) She has no federal or international experience & has only been mayor of a small town

9) She stands for everything that Hillary Clinton stood against

10) She is pro-war

[1awake]

37. Love your list! Let's keep adding to it! nt

[Dollface]

44. I did plagerize but it is a good list and I hope Stern21 doesn't mind if we add to it.

I will need it when I deal with folks who might actually think about voting for McPlain

[The Stranger]

42. LEARN IT WELL.

We're not losing again.

[barack the house]

46. Hillary "If you hear a sound keep going..."

[pecwae]

48. Flame, hell, I'm K&Ring.

[Vektor]

49. I haven't seen any of the things you are describing here...

...only mentions of her lack of experience, and how hypocritical it is for McCain to gripe about Obama's perceived lack of experience, then pick this woman as VP.

However, since the Republicans CONSTANTLY make comments like the ones you described about Democratic females, it will be interesting to see how they receive this woman, who is clearly not perfect herself.

I imagine they will, in fact, be the real hypocrites, beatifying her while they slam any woman without an (R) next to her name for similar things like having children out of wedlock, giving their kids unusual names, or simply being a woman.

We'll see.

My main complaint about Palin is not her breeding history, or the names she gives her offspring, but her disastrous political views. I could care less about her personal life, but her anti-choice, anti-environment, pro-war beliefs are hard to stomach.

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[tekisui]

52. Is that what Mcpow calls her? That's not nice.

[here_is_to_hope]

54. Um...ooops? Ya sure thats a word you want to use?

If so...enjoy your stay!


Or not.

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[tekisui]

56. Ha! Caught me another one!

[here_is_to_hope]

57. Our mods rock! n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

53. Words mean things.

Sexism is a bad thing. I've not seen any posts indicating that she's not fit to be VP because she's a woman.
Women should have the same choices/rights. Female candidates also should have the same consequences for hypocrisy, and the same scrutiny of their private lives. I wouldn't shed a single tear if the National Enquirer did the John Edwards treatment on her.
It's juvenile, and pointless to make fun of childrens names.
The ends do justify the means, but the means have to be effective.

There is plenty of rationale for self-reflection, but I don't think that this whole Palin thing is a great reason. She's the enemy.

[Oak2004]

58. I agree with some of this but find the attempts to put the possible hidden/false pregnancy

beyond acceptable discussion to be very misguided.

Being pregnant as a teen does not make someone a whore, it makes someone a victim of inadequate information and access to birth control. If the story is true, what Palin did was to construct a lie in defense of the "abstenence only" meme that is, right now, at this very moment, killing teens (and adults) around the world who are being deprived of the tools and information they need to protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases and the damage done to very young bodies by extremely early pregnancy.

In my book, that's not a "private matter". That's not a "family matter". That's as far as you can possibly get from "a woman's control over her own body".

No, what it is is complicity to murder kids with lies. And it is 100% valid as an issue.

[Bucky]

59. We're in the minority here. But outside of DU, I'll bet President Obama would agree with you.

Yes, the freeper mindset in liberal clothing can get annoying in here sometimes.

[highplainsdem]

61. I agree. Many of the noisiest people at DU:GDP are an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.

And we've been seeing freeper-style messages here for months, with the attacks on the Clintons. Misogynistic posts and repetitions of RW smears that should have gotten those people banned.

So it doesn't surprise me to see many DUers gleefully jump into the gutter to fling mud again.

[TexasObserver]

64. Nominated ... for best actor in a supporting role for CONCERN

Have you tried self flagellation? I hear that really works for masochists.

Might want to tone down the faux outrage. It's not really convincing when overdone.

[iconicgnom]

65. Are all these clone posts attacking DUers of being sexist creeps part of some agenda?

Just asking.