UGH McCain has a DISGUSTING new ad- Hillary responds

[darius15]

"Passed Over"

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/new-mccain-ad-passed-over/

I think this ad could potentially backfire. Hillary is speaking at the convention and if she is pissed off enough by this, she could have another finger wagging "Shame on you" moment except against McCain, which would really fire everyone up. McCain is desperate as hell.

Hillary responds:

"Hillary Clinton's support of Barack Obama is clear. She has said repeatedly that Barack Obama and she share a commitment to changing the direction of the country, getting us out of Iraq, and expanding access to health care. John McCain doesn't. It's interesting how those remarks didn't make it into his ad."

Thanks Hill!

[Demeter]

1. Well, That's a New Switch on the "Other Woman" Scam

McCain isn't going to win any Republicans with that. And unless he picks Hillary for VP, he won't get any Democrats, either.

If he thinks this will dissuade people from voting for Obama, he's really desperate.

[zanne]

3. He's going after that tiny minority of bitter voters...

He's betting they'll vote for him, not because they're his supporters, but out of spite.

[Demeter]

19. They Would More Likely Not Vote At All

which might be the equivalent of a vote for him.

[dansolo]

67. That is not the real strategy

I don't think the goal of these ads is to try and appeal to Hillary supporters. The whole point is to drive the media narrative. The best hope they have is to drive up the negatives by sowing discord amongst the Democrats. So they put out an ad, and then the media reinforces it by airing it and discussing it endlessly. The goal is to drive away Obama voters.

[1Hippiechick]

50. If he is so damned concerned about the women's voice & rights, then he'll select a female VP running

mate, right? I mean, really..since the Repukes DO have women's rights as a platform issue. Poor baby. I bet he's fretted himself through an entire box of Depends on this issue. Bastard.

[zanne]

2. I'm so glad Biden can speak for Obama...

He can reply to this type of attack the way Obama couldn't as the presidential candidate. He won't pull any punches.

[1Hippiechick]

51. Isn't the anticipation delicious?!?!? :) n/t

[Colobo]

4. Hillary herself needs to come out swinging against this with an ad of her own.

[darius15]

7. That would really send a POWERFUL message

[wmbrew0206]

12. Where is she going to get the money to make one and distribute it?

I believe she is still about $18M in debate. I don't see her spending any money on anything related to the campaign until that gets paid off.

If anything, Obama will come out with his own ad with a Hillary cameo.

[ronnykmarshall]

27. How?

She can't create an ad w/o the approval of the Obama camp.

If Obama wants her to do so, then she will.

[Cosmocat]

90. She needs to start dropping bombs on McCain

No ad is necessary. The media would FAWN over her if she dropped some bombs on McCain.

That is the disconnect to this point. She has taken the first step, but even at that, only tacid statements of support for BO that are WAY overshadowed by the negatives she said about BO.

[cindyw]

52. I think she owes it to the Democratic voters.

It would go a long way in showing that she cares about a democrat being sworn in in January.

[LibraLiz1973]

86. Actually. she did exactly what needed to be done.

Doing more would be a mistake.
She issued a clearly worded, strong & specific statement.
End of story.

Making an ad or going on shows or whatever, just puts more attention on that RIDICULOUS ad... which
is what the McCain people want. Believe me, they are PRAYING that the Democrats flip out over this
and make it a bigger story.

I loved the DUers down thread who mentioned using McCain talking about "Beating the Bitch" in an ad.....
But, in truth, I really think focusing anymore on that ad isn't worth our time.

[polmaven]

97. She will do whatever the OBAMA campaign

ASKS her to do! THAT is what she owes to Democratic voters. THAT is how she HAS been showing that she cares about a democrat being sworn in on January 20.

Senator Clinton has been doing EXACTLY what she should be doing! GET OVER IT ALREADY!

[LonelyLRLiberal]

53. Obama campaign should ask Hillary to do an ad as you suggest.

I think that's what you anticipated (re: other comments saying she can't do it).

[1Hippiechick]

59. Oh boy, have you got THAT right. Time to show TRUE COLORS.

Hillary could speak just as forcefully as Biden--a little passion is expected, imo--in support of Obama and tell her supporters that the primary is over, they made a good run, but it was Obama's time, not hers. The object is get serious about putting Democrats back in the White House, etc., etc., She can bring up the history-making aspect of it, etc., etc.

Our Party and the future of America and its citizens are waiting. And the media is waiting, ready to pounce. Ball is in Hillary's court, and her future is riding on it. Hope she sees the necessity of a homerun.

[RedShoes]

72. No she doesn't.

[Zhade]

109. My, what a cogent argument!

:eyes:

[Kber]

5. McCain continues to display his poor opinion of women.

[earthside]

6. The 'Backfire' Ad

The people running the McSame campaign must be idiots or secretly for Obama.

I can't think of a more effective way to anger Clinton supporters than to condescendingly make them out to be mere vengeful pawns that can be exploited by the anti-choice, warmongering, elitist radical Republican presidential nominee.

This ad should be known as the 'backfire' ad as Clinton supporters make it clear that stopping a Bush third term is their top priority.

[Raffi Ella]

47. Well said! Couldn't agree more.

Being a die hard Hillary supporter, I go back and forth with my enthusiasm for Obama. Staying away from this forum made it much easier to come around and realize this isn't about Obama or Hillary it's about The Country - I'm a Democrat first and foremost - McCain's ad drives that point home for me like nothing else could.

My signature was INSPIRED by McSAMES ad!

all I gotta say after seeing it??? GOBAMA

[maui9002]

94. For so many reasons, we need you and other Hillary Clinton supporters

John McCain and the conservative philosophy he'd bring to his administration must be rejected in 2008.

He's staunchly anti choice and is no champion of women's rights.

He's in favor of nominating more justices to the Supreme Court who will be anti choice, anti regulation, and anti labor.

He's now firmly in the pocket of the most extreme faction of the Republican Party on the issue of immigration.

He's old school when it comes to America's "might makes right" foreign policy, which has destroyed our standing around the world, led to the disaster that is Iraq, and threatens to plunge us into more ill conceived conflicts around the world--this time with countries that we know have nuclear weapons.

Simply put, regardless of which Democratic candidate you supported in the primary, we can't afford not to do everything in our power to keep John McCain out of the White House.

I'm not sure what I can do personally to help mend the rift between the party and some supporters of Hillary Clinton, but I appreciate your thoughts and hope that the Obama campaign is working overtime to bring the Clintons into the fold.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. Are these ads

Actually being shown on T.V.? I've only seen them when CNN runs them as part of their newscasts.

[mikehiggins]

9. I don't think this was their brightest hour

that is for sure.

THere are a lot of ways to deal with it, if necessary, but this really puts HRC on the spot in some ways. SHe sort of has to find a way to rebut or refute the claim in a timely manner. Otherwise she'll be all over the airwaves in McCain ads for the rest of the year and that would not be good for anyone except the GOPukes.

[NYC_SKP]

10. Thanks, Hillary...

Those of us who didn't "heart Hillary" knew she went to far and that this would be the result of her campaign's self-indulgent, below the belt, negative messaging.

Want to defend her, anyone?

Oh, unity, bullshit, I've heard it all, "don't talk bad about her if you expect unity."

Like if I don't show respect it will be my fault that her fans don't support Obama.

I call bullshit on that bullshit.

Even if we place the blame on Mark Penn and her campaign for these dirty comments and her sorry debt, it's an indication that she didn't have control over her campaign.

So, either she's to blame for lack of control, or she's to blame for dirtiness and sloppiness and mishandling of her finances.

Either way, she's a loser and unfit for the presidency and vice presidency or any other major executive position.

There, I said it.

[Genevieve]

11. I'm with you. eom.

[Evergreen Emerald]

26. bullshit

She ran an awesome campaign and despite the high negatives due to media bias, 12 years of repulican attacks, and sexism, she nearly beat the male establishment.

Her campaign was no more dirty than any of the others who ran.

I see that Biden's words from the primary have come back in an ad against him. But, of course I don't see you complaining about that. I suspect that it is due to your odd hatred of Clinton. You ignore reality and dehumanize the female that bounded over hurdles to nearly become President.

Biden's words against Obama and praising McCain were done in the primary. They are now in ad form for McCain. It is a stupid ad. Just as stupid as the ad McCain is running about Clinton.

There I said it.

[Cha]

34. SHe ran a negative campaign into the ground..full of lies.

Bosnian Sniper Fire,anyone? And you have your head in the sand.

Edit~to say..there were bound to be repercussions. Yeah, it would have been nice if it could have all been swept into the memory hole of history but that's not happening.

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. again I have to call BS

My head: not in the sand. Seeing reality. Seeing the distortion and hatred of a strong democrat that you continue to bash no matter how hard she works for the guy that was once her opponent. It is STILL all Clinton's fault (either,apparently).

Shakes head in dismay. What the hell is wrong with people?

[RedShoes]

73. They, like freepers, can't get over their Hate of all things Clinton.

[Cha]

93. Hillary ran a negative campaign and now it's coming

back to bite the Democrats. She also lied too easily about her Bosnian Sniper Fire Encounters and will not admit her mistakes..and all you can do is come on DU and not have one iota of rebuttal for her actions except to say those who don't like hillary's actions are "haters".

Hillary will never get anywhere because no one holds her accountable and she doesn't learn from her vicious mistakes.

[Evergreen Emerald]

101. Please. What a load of crap

Again, you are ignoring the same ads that ran with Biden attacking Obama and praising McCain. Again it is all about Clinton.

Her campaign was no more negative than anyone elses...and frankly, less negative than some.

She ran a good campaign and nearly was able to beat the male establisment. And that must be so scary for some that they continue the hate and distortion and lies.

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[Evergreen Emerald]

114. Wow. So much for progressive.

[Starry Messenger]

112. You look awesome in granite.

MPK

[LibraLiz1973]

79. The Clinton hatred here is awful.

Some are SO anti Clinton that they are down right rabid.


Nasty.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

87. amazing isn't it? it's like we're listening to Freepers.

The irrational hatred they have inside for Hillary must mean they have an unhappy life.

I hope one day they can rid their souls of it, they would be much happier!

[LibraLiz1973]

91. Exactly.

[pecwae]

113. They just can't let it go.

It's pathological.

[Cha]

92. Yeah, I see you're still typing on

DU with your head in the sand ignoring the reality of hillary's negative campaign that's coming back to bite us all in the ass. Chomp Chomp..thanks hillary and all you supporters who encouraged her lies by NOT holding her accountable..except she did lose. That was a perk.

[Evergreen Emerald]

103. So...how is it that you can post this and completely

ignore the fact that McCain is airing Biden ads with him attacking Obama from the primary?

My point is that it has this has nothing to do with Clinton, but rather McCain. He uses Biden's words against him. He uses Clinton's words against her, and he uses Obama's words against him.

For you to ignore the ads that use Biden, and berate Clinton for doing the same thing Biden did, shows me that your hatred clouds your judgment and shows your illogical bias.

[Cha]

105. I'm talking about Hillary negative campaign

and her LIES. Woman lies too easily..I'd never trust her with my lunch money.

[Zhade]

110. You STILL deny the video evidence that proves she lied about Tuzla.

Do you seriously think you have any credibility left?

[StevieM]

131. It's funny how during this period of shame that you mention she actually won most of the contests.

Even Guam, I think, if they had done a recount in Dededo, or whatever the name of that city was. But she kept winning during the period you refer to as the period when she was being shamed and laying the groundwork for repercussions. That doesn't make sense.

Sorry, but this is just wishful, hateful thinking on your part. Her poll numbers are solid in NY and so is her standing. She is wanted on the campaign trail by her fellow Dems. And this is why the Clinton-haters are really so upset about the respect being shown to her at the Convention. Not because it is unreasonable, by historical standards, but because it totally rebukes--and outright belittles--narratives like the one you just delivered about Hillary having something to "sweep from memory," or "make up for." That is just nonsense. Her campaign is being treated like a cherished, honored part Democratic Party history and one that we are celebrating currently.

Steve

[mkultra]

36. except biden will comeout strong against these ads

and hillary? no so much.

[Evergreen Emerald]

39. I know, I know...she could never come out strong enough for you.

I see that you dismiss the ads using Biden's statements. Don't even bother to see the hypocrisy of your clinton hate. Head in the sand indeed.

[mkultra]

41. i see them both.

but she could come out strong. She just wont. Your bias has blinded you.

[Evergreen Emerald]

42. How much stronger do you want her to come out?

Your hatred is blinding you. Get over the primaries.

Dang.

[mkultra]

70. we won, i have nothing to get over

your the one calling bullshit.

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[mkultra]

115. McCain and the Pumas

Two enemies in one.

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[mkultra]

83. loser

los·er (lū'zər) pronunciation
n.

1.
1. One that fails to win: the losers of the game.
2. One who takes loss in a specified way: a graceful loser; a poor loser.
2.
1. One that fails consistently, especially a person with bad luck or poor skills: “losers at home seeking wealth and glory in undeveloped countries” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).
2. One that is bad in quality: That book is a real loser.

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[sufrommich]

88. That's what all these Hillary bashing posts seem to be.

Some of the posters here who claim to be huge Obama supporters seem to spend days on end fretting over Hillary's every utterance as if she were all powerful and that the election hinges on every breath she takes. Have some confidence in the Obama campaign.

[leftynyc]

133. I consider anyone who continues

to Hillary-bash nothing more than a puke troll only here to cause dissension. Same thing for anyone not fully supportive of Obama/Biden.

[LibraLiz1973]

81. Your candidate may have won, but your attitude screams LOSER>

Extremely ungracious & so junior high.

[mkultra]

84. and...loser

los·er (lū'zər) pronunciation
n.

1.
1. One that fails to win: the losers of the game.
2. One who takes loss in a specified way: a graceful loser; a poor loser.
2.
1. One that fails consistently, especially a person with bad luck or poor skills: “losers at home seeking wealth and glory in undeveloped countries” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).
2. One that is bad in quality: That book is a real loser.

[mkultra]

119. you know, my attitude is a response to what i think is probably trolling

to help justify my point, you should notice that this someone attacking our current nominee and trying to start division between Obama and clinton supporters is now TSed.

[polmaven]

107. What they don't seem to understand

is that it would not be proper for her to come out ranting unless the campaign ASKS her to.

What I don't understand is why they don't trust Senator Obama! I wonder how many presidential campaigns they've run.

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[BornBlue]

137. Oh I don't know?

Maybe a personal public announcement with cameras denouncing the McCain ad, not just a statement issued to the press by one of her staff. That would have been stronger, and a lot more effective.

[polmaven]

102. And - Thank you

for saying it Evergreen Emerald. The irrational hatred still on display here on a daily basis is flabbergasting. The poster just cam right out and said that party unity is not at all important if it means not being able to spew venom at Hillary Clinton. ....Basically, the hatred is more important than the party or the election. ....

Now, what acronym that we've heard a lot about lately fits that attitude? Hmmmm!

[LanternWaste]

28. I imagine those are two possibilities

I imagine those are two possibilities of many that exist.

[JohnnyLib2]

37. Should be an interesting week.

The people Obama has scheduled to speak will probably have something to say about all this, you think?

[Raffi Ella]

48. Your post is divisive and hurts Our Party.

[glancingthefuture]

100. good for her. she responded quickly to this crap.

[Beacool]

118. Oh Pooch, quit while you're ahead.

Hillary didn't say anything that other candidates haven't said about their opponents. It's the nature of the game.

You want to talk unity? How about not even going through the motions of vetting her? How about not even one lousy phone call to her or Bill about the potential VP choices? How about releasing the text message at 3:00AM? That speaks unity to you???????

Unity is a two way street........

As to your next to last sentence, board rules prevent me from answering in kind. In this you have an unfair advantage.



Having said that, a man who owns such a cute dog as Ginny can't be 100% that nasty.

;)

[qwlauren35]

129. Ummm.

So, now that you've said it, is it out of your system? And you won't bother to say it again?

Gore's a loser, and he should get over it? Kerry's a loser and he should get over it? Edwards is a loser, Richardson is a loser... heck, even BIDEN is a "loser".

Since there can only be one winner, what's the point in using the other word... except to anger others?

I'm sorry. I just don't agree with you. We need the votes of Hillary supporters. Obama has asked us many times to make peace with them, just as Hillary has asked her supporters to make peace with us. I don't think you're on the bandwagon yet.

And threatening Hillary supporters with 4 years of McCain is NOT a way to make peace. Au contraire, it's what they have to threaten US with if we're not nicer to them. If YOU care about winning, please be nicer to the Hillary supporters. Otherwise, in my mind, you don't want to win all that badly.

Two people standing back to back doesn't help. But when one reaches out, ***eventually***, the other will respond. It requires a LOT of patience and coaxing. Not a quick attempt and then "well, I tried, you didn't, so go F yourself".

When someone is bitter, logic is NOT the correct approach; neither is "get over it". Please go back and read "Emotions 101".

[StevieM]

130. Her campaign was about the country, I didn't see it as being below-the-belt. And I laugh

at the suggestion that it was--that is such self-righteous, self-serving dribble. There is nothing to "place blame" for.

I see Hillary as a winner, who won the popular vote (yes, I commit the unpardonable crime of including Michigan). And she did it while being vastly outspent and facing a hostile media narrative like no candidate in American history has ever faced.

She is eminently fit for both the presidency and vice-presidency IMO. And it is pathetic that Obamites continue to spew hatred. The real reason they are upset by Hillary's place of honor at the Convention is that it repudiates hateful narratives like the one you just delivered and makes them seem silly.

I'm not sure how you can even argue this is Hillary's fault. McCain is running an ad saying that she deserved to be picked--that has nothing to do with the tone and the tenor of the campaign, it's about the fact that he's hoping that her supporters will be disappointed. The only thing Hillary can do to please you is explain to the American people that she isn't such a good human being and really isn't worthy, so if they supported her, or still support her, then they are wrong and should just forget it--that might satisfy you.

But that isn't how she feels, it's not how her supporters feel, it's beyond ridiculous for Obamites to expect that, and most importantly....it's up to Obama to win this thing. Hillary has already done more for Obama then Bradley ever did for Gore. If Obama can't win this thing, with all the stars aligned, then he has no one but himself to blame. It his his responsibility. The attitude that he shouldn't have to work to win over Democrats who aren't yet with him--if they are truly Democrats--is not a good start.

It is always the candidate's job to win the voters. They aren't entitled to a single vote and people have every right to reject a candidate and still register with that candidate's party and identify themselves as a member. If Barack loses will we then spend the next four years determining who is "allowed" to call themselves a Democrat? Who is someone that we count as one of our own, in our voting block, and whose votes we will ask not to receive at election time?

For whatever it is worth, I will be voting for Barack on November 4. Hillary convinced me that it was the right vote to cast.

Steve

[bidenista]

13. i dont think this is about hillary supporters primarily

It's about showing a white woman as a victim of a black man. Seriously. Don't think about PUMA or anything else; just watch the images, and listen to the tone of voice and music.

[darius15]

14. I disagree

I think you could argue that racial undertone in "The One" ad, but here I thought it was pretty obvious that McCain was trying to stir up shit with some Dems.

[bidenista]

16. i think that's secondary

Watch "Passed Over" from 15 seconds on. She has her arm up, as if in self-defense, and that side of the screen darkens. Voice-over says "ATTACKS", then we see Hillary in a dark shot, talking about Obama being negative. Fade to black, and then Obama's face looking aggressive, with the word HURT on the screen.

It's v. clever, in an incredibly sick way.

[NYC_SKP]

21. OK, gender based sub-text maybe...

...but I don't see specific racial undertones, male-attacking-helpless-female, maybe.

[MiniMe]

15. McSame better not be picking Romney for a running mate

Because there is tons of video out there at the debates with Romney criticizing McCain.

[leftynyc]

134. We don't need Romney to do that

kind of damage. Every right wing gasbag went after mccain during the primaries. Get some intern to pull all these together and make an ad.

[Spazito]

17. The McCain ad is pathetic whereas....

Hillary's response is very good. She doesn't get into the 'did not- did too' aspect and, instead, nails what is NOT in the ad that IS true.

Good on ya, Hillary!

[Middle finga]

18. Next time you should link directly to youtube for the video,

this link goes directly to a rightwing site, I hate giving those people traffic.

[donco6]

20. That's just what I thought when I saw it.

"Surely McCain isn't THAT stupid??"

He's got to know Hillary's giving a huge, primetime speech this week! One that every news outlet in the WORLD will be covering. And you don't think she's going to pimp this ad? Oh, hell yeah. She'll pimp it, poke it, prod it, stoke it, and release a fireball at the DNC.

Contrary to what people may believe - I have a lot of respect for Hillary. It's some of her so-called followers who give me gas.

[Thrill]

22. Hillary needs to respond. Not some spokesperson

[NYC_SKP]

23. True. Not holding my breath but it would be great... nt

[Beausoir]

46. No she doesn't.

[Thrill]

68. Oh well then we'll all have to go through life. With a conservative Supreme Court

and the neo cons fighting more wars. Hope everyone survives. I'm sure Hillary will. But will her supporters?

[Beausoir]

125. WOW! And that would all be Senator Clinton's fault? You should have more confidence in Obama.

Don't you trust Obama to win? Don't you have any confidence in him?

If you are scared of a few television commercials, you obviously don't have much faith.

[RedShoes]

77. Bullshit.

Nothing she does is good enough for you, she DID respond. Politicians have spokespeople. That's the way it is.

[rucky]

24. If this is what they want to waste their money on...

an ad that less then 1% of the population will give a shit about. Let 'em.

[cyberpj]

25. Is it time to drag out the McCain 'how to beat the bitch' video? nt

[GoesTo11]

44. YES!!!

Funny how McCain is so concerned with Hillary's well-being, when he's the one who wanted to beat the b*.

That would sound good.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

55. Is there such a thing? eom

[Bleacher Creature]

99. See for yourself.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/full_video_mccain_says_supporters_bitch_query_about_hillary_is_an_excellent_question.php

[1Hippiechick]

61. By all means. But if it was already posted on DU, it will be archived. Have to repost that message?

[Azathoth]

29. McCain ain't gonna win the election on the PUMA vote

Even if all 50 of them vote for him. This is nothing but a shit-stirring ad that gives the utterly useless cable news networks something to masturbate over for the next few days. It's not going to accomplish anything beyond that.

[Quixote1818]

30. Hillary will NOT want John McCain using her against Obama

and neither will her supporters. That just seems cheep and desperate and scummy. That should completely backfire!

[RedShoes]

78. which is exactly why she issued the statement that she did.

I mean...cripes!

[jenmito]

31. How much ya wanna bet they had that ad ready to go if Obama DID pick Hillary? With different

narrative, of course. They would've shown the same exact clips saying something like, "Look at what Hillary REALLY thinks of Obama. But due to his need to appease her supporters, he felt the need to put her on the ticket anyway. If he can't even stand up to the Clintons, how can he stand up to our enemies?" :eyes:

[gal]

32. What do you people expect?

Her ticked off supporters and MSM have kept them in the news. If they don't want McCain to be using them agnist Barack them maybe they should consider letting the primaries go. That ad is the result of what they see in the news from some of her supporters, they want to feed on it.

[1Hippiechick]

64. I think you have it backwards. The REPUKES are keeping this in the news to portray a party divided.

[gal]

108. No I see the Hillary people on live tv with my own eyes...and my own ears

[simmonsj811]

33. Kicking to the top!

:kick:

[demwing]

35. This IndicatesThat McCain Will NOT Pick A Primary Also-Ran

How can the McCain campaign hope to avoid the things that were said about him by Romney and Huckabee?

Anyone have ready material from either of the two VP possibles?

Better yet, anyone have any material where McCain trashes a policy, then promotes it? A McCain vs McCain moment?

[democrattotheend]

40. Can she cut an ad for Obama rebutting this ad?

That would be a big help...I'd even send her some money to retire her debt if she did that.

[darius15]

43. Probably

Heck, Paris Hilton can release political ads, why can't Hillary? :D

[democrattotheend]

56. That's what I'm thinking

She doesn't need to do it on her own...Obama's campaign should write and pay for it. But if she would agree to be in an ad making some sort of a statement urging her supporters not to buy into McCain's attempts to exploit her, that would be terrific.

[Chloroplast]

57. Hillary COULD release an ad but it would backfire miserably.

She can't fight and defend her words with an ad of her own; for starters, who would pay for it? She can mention it in a speech and/or speak out against such low behavior as she campaigns for Obama. She has to keep a lower profile than she's used to otherwise she risks overshadowing the ticket.

[1Hippiechick]

65. Of course she can. BUT.....n/t

[polmaven]

111. If the campaign ASKS her to,

I'm sure she will.

[mkultra]

120. im sure she doesnt need thier permission

[polmaven]

122. Are you so obsessed with hate

that you don't understand that it would not be proper for her to go ff on her own "freelancing". This is Senator Obama's campaign. Why don't you trust him to run it? I do. Grow the F up.

[JohnnyLib2]

45. O, Ye of little faith.......

Obama and his top people want maximum positive exposure all this week. They have planned the convention, lined up the speakers (and bought the confetti, LOL).

Somehow, I think they will take care of this pissant stuff and come out looking great.

Give it a week, please.

[1Hippiechick]

49. I have one sneaking suspicion, though.....

that McCain't will announce his VP choice Thursday night at precisely when Obama begins his acceptance speech, which will then be pre-empted by this "breaking news" of McCain't VP selection. On the other hand, I think Obama's camp knows how to play "turnabout is fair play" and do the same thing to McCain't, if necessary.

[greguganus]

54. This ad is on the front page of hillaryis44.org. Someone needs to tell them Hillary slammed it. nt

[rufus dog]

58. Isn't the release too close to the Biden ad?

Come on, less that 24 hours ago the ad released shows Biden saying Obama isn't ready, then the release this ad with Hillary critiques saying it lost her the VP spot because Obama can't take criticism. Even in a simple fucking republican mind they should have a conflict.

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60. that's got to be one of the most idiotic campaign ads i've ever seen

one rule of campaign ads is, "don't imply someone agrees with you unless you're sure you have them in your hip pocket."
you'd think they'd have learned that lesson from paris hilton. but no, now hillary is free to blast back in any of a number of ways.

another rule is that campaign attacks need to be awkward to refute. so a good attack is accusing mccain of having even more houses than he actually does. deliberately get the number wrong. it's hard to refute because the truth is every bit as damning; what difference does it make if the number is 7 or 10 or 12? instead, this ad questions obama's thinking, which makes everyone turn to obama to explain why he chose biden -- a question you can be damn sure they have a very positive response to, as surely that was a key factor in his selection in the first place!

upside potential for mccain: remarkably limited
downside potential for mccain: big

DUMB ad!

[darius15]

71. LOL good point

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62. translation: WAAAAAH!! all our campaign research assumed hillary would be SOMEWHERE on the ticket!!

[1Hippiechick]

66. Why else would the Repukes push for her on O's ticket? They were hoping for a grand slam.

Just as I am hoping that McCain't selects Lieberman (sp).
The first "Get the Hell Off My Lawn" ticket! LOL

[Barack_America]

63. Props to Hillary on this one.

:thumbsup:

[Arkana]

69. Glad she said something.

I was afraid she'd let it slide.

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[vaberella]

85. These people are aiming for the jugular. Obama needs to go all out. n/t

[darius15]

124. Yup, they do it every election

I'm glad Obama has started to attack back.

[Stop Cornyn]

98. This McCain ad is ten times more damaging

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoJUcsaptW4

[finch96]

117. Oh for fuck's sake.

:eyes: I'll be so glad when this election is over.

[Phx_Dem]

121. Thanks Hillary!

I don't really think McCainBush wants to feel the rath of Hillary. I hope she rips his throat out during her convention speech.

[Hansel]

123. Nice response Hillary. You go girl! nt

[Beausoir]

126. I would imagine that Obama doesn't wet his knickers over a television commercial.

DU, on the other hand.....

[qwlauren35]

127. I'd have preferred

a response from Hillary herself, with "I" statements, not something from Hillary's spokesperson.

I think this ad deserved a direct response.

[1Hippiechick]

132. Well, you might as well lower your expectations, because come Tuesday

I will bet you my next paycheck that her endorsement of Obama will be weak, at best. Look for phrasing that indicates that Obama isn't ready for the Presidency. She could have already "taken the bull by the horns" and put an end to this PUMA mess--using strong language about Party Unity--but she didn't. That is very telling, IMO.

[leftynyc]

135. Time to grow up hippie chick

I suspect she could cough up a lung for Sen Obama and it wouldn't be enough for you. Stop trying to sow dissension here because that's all you and your other Hillary bashers are doing. You're helping mccain - time to get that through your skull.

[Withywindle]

128. I think the ad is weak and stupid.

The gist is, "Look, back in the primaries, Obama's opponent said some mean things about him."

First off, is there anyone out there who thinks this is some new, shocking development in the politics game?

Second, mightn't there be some LIVs out there who think, "Well shee-it, if Hillary hates this guy maybe he's OK after all."

Third, it's serious playground stuff, and McCain sounds like he's hiding behind a girl and letting her do the fighting. "I didn't say it, she started it." Waaaaah!


Good for Hillary for rebuking it right away. I don't think it's worth much more attention than that, though.

[leftynyc]

136. That's exactly how it should be portrayed

by the surrogates. Hiding behind Hillary's skirts because he has nothing to run on. Perfect framing.