Iowa: veterans, firefighters and undecided wonder about Dean's viability

[wyldwolf]

Democrat John Kerry is finding new political life in Iowa with a coalition of veterans, firefighters and undecided voters wondering about the viability of a Howard Dean or Dick Gephardt presidential nomination.

The combination could be enough to salvage the Massachusetts lawmaker's campaign, perhaps even shake up the Democratic race.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3590139,00.html

[blm]

1. Shh...Don't you know we Democrats don't want a nominee post 9-11

who is supported by so many fire fighters and veterans?

We want a nominee who wouldn't even BOTHER to meet with fire fighters in his state even after 9-11. That ad will sound SO much better to the American people.

[Scott Lee]

2. In other words, Kerry can find no reason to push his own positives

as there are so damn few.

Oh well, let's see what we can pick on Howard Dean for today...oh yeah here's one...

He ordered his eggs over easy! Booo hissss!!!!

[jeter]

3. I simply don't understand this

"The viability?" How is Kerry anymore "viable?" Oh yes, that's right - he spent six months in Vietnam. All our prayers are answered. We have a winner here.

People look right past the fact that:

a) he is a Massachusettes Liberal.

b) served as Dukakis' Lieutenant Governor.

c) is the most liberal candidate (among top tier candidates).

d) has no experience in the executive level (outside the second spot in MA - again, under Dukakis).

e) has never really stood up to Bush on anything in four years.

f) Is a fancy-pancy MA liberal with a rich wife (this alone will kill Kerry in the general) The GOP will ask, "What does Teresa think about this or that?"

g) Is trailing in his home state to Dean.

I will say, that anyone who can not win his home state in a primary race SURELY can not defeat George W. Bush in the general election.

[Metrix]

6. That was our sainted victim Gore you're thinking about

"he spent six months in Vietnam"

The one who voted against the majority of his party and for the first Gulf War.

[killbotfactory]

7. H) Is for executing international criminals without a trial.

[blm]

9. Care to back that up with a contextual quote

and NOT one where he is listing gaffes of Dean's?

A contextual quote would be one where Kerry is discussing due process in regard to Saddam or Bin Laden.

[killbotfactory]

13. Since when did you ever care about context?

I mean, if you don't know that Saddam Hussein is guilty and you think he has to have a jury trial...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/28/ftn/main590384.shtml

[blm]

14. If you don't KNOW

do you really need that explained to you? If Dean didn't KNOW without a trial that Saddam was guilty with all the documented evidence already out there.

But, you know that and spin it anyway.

You know that Kerry wasn't discussing due process but he WAS paraphrasing what Dean said.

[killbotfactory]

16. Do you think Saddama Bin Laden needs a trial?

Or should he just be rounded up as an unlawful combatant and executed?

[Monte Carlo]

18. Spare us your drama.

Saddam is going to get a trial. Kerry and Dean both support a trial. But if we have to wait for a judge's blessing to know he's guilty, we're crazy.

[killbotfactory]

19. Who said we had to have a trial to think he's guilty?

Not Dean. So what is Kerry going on about?

[cindyw]

20. I agree with Kerry.

Osama should have a trial, but I for one believe to my core that he is guilty. Dean seems to agree with Kerry too because he clarified his statement, Again, to say that Bin Laden is guilty.

[blm]

23. Kerry and I both say trial. YOU'RE the one who twisted

his words to suit your argument. You just don't need a trial to personally SAY he's guilty, do you?

I say Bush is guilty all the time of crimes against humanuty, don't you? I don't need a trial to KNOW or SAY he's guilty.

[killbotfactory]

24. Nobody said you need a trial to think he's guilty...

So what is Kerry talking about?

"and you think he has to have a jury trial"?

Kerry should stop making shit up.

[blm]

27. You're exaggerating. Have fun, but it's still make believe.

.

[cindyw]

15. Wasn't Kerry talking about Osama.

I think he just said the wrong name. It makes more sense in the context of the question. I saw the interview and I'm sure that he was referring to Dean saying he couldn't judge Osama's guilt without a trial.

[oasis]

4. Veterans and firefighters are the heroes of all America. Get these guys

some air time and a megaphone.

[Democrats unite]

5. The Dean Spin machine will now go after...

Veterans, firefighters and undecided...

[adadem]

8. LOL

I prefer to spend my time volunteering for a candidate so I can spend that time with firefighters and veterans rather than skiers.

[patricia92243]

12. I certainly hope so! Why would us Dean supporters not want to help

veterans, firefighter, etc to do what is the best for their own interest - which is to have a truly compassionate President - Gov. Howard Dean, MD.

[cindyw]

17. I think firefighter and veterans are better judges than

Dean's college kids about what is good for themselves. And they have decided. They want the Real Deal. John F. Kerry

No question about that.

[blm]

28. Plus, it's a photo op that Bush's 200 million CANNOT buy.

Especially when NYC Fire Fighters show up outside the GOP convention with signs that say Fire Fighters for Kerry.

[adadem]

21. Sorry

too busy for that...I'll stick with the firefighters and veterans who trust Kerry as I do.

[RetroLounge]

10. Desperation is a sad thing to watch

eom

[adadem]

22. We Democrats

will be deperate if we vote for a weak candidate in the primary. I intend for vote for experience and integrity.

[blm]

25. Sorry democracy makes you sad.

Why ARE so many from your camp treating supporters of other candidates the same way that GOP operatives treated Gore supporters who only wanted their votes to count?

[Monte Carlo]

11. The fat lady has not yet sung...

... no matter how much some would have liked her to. Kerry has been down in races before and come back.

[retyred]

26. I said before

Kerry is a fighter, he knows it ain't over till it's over and polls mean nothing without any votes being cast yet.


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