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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:33 PM
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Saying he's a POW to justify owning 8 homes is "disingenuous at best, outright repulsive at worst"

John McCain Needs to Lay Off the POW Talk

by: Brandon Friedman
Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 17:33:28 PM EDT

When John McCain revealed that he didn't know how many houses he and his wife currently own (they have at least eight properties), the Obama campaign pounced. They accused him of being elitist and disconnected and launched an ad within hours. The McCain campaign--realizing this was trouble--retorted the only way they knew how: With a truly stupefying response from McCain spokesman Brian Rogers:

"This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years -- in prison," referring to the prisoner of war camp that McCain was in during the Vietnam War.

Yes, you read that right. McCain justified not knowing how many houses he has by saying he was a POW in Vietnam, four decades ago. I have some things to say about this:

1. Being a POW is not an excuse for everything.

The bottom line is that we're sick of hearing about this as a justification for everything John McCain does or doesn't do. This instance is only the latest example, as others have noted.

The fact is, John McCain's service during Vietnam was honorable and he sacrificed a great deal. But his service to the country carries no more weight than that of any other POW. Likewise, while McCain has given so much to his country, thousands of veterans--past and present--have given as much or more. In this war alone, thousands of troops have lost limbs, been paralyzed, and been burned beyond recognition. So to see McCain resort to playing the POW card when answering legitimate questions, in my mind, cheapens that experience. And by cheapening his own experience in war, he degrades all of our experiences in war. He turns the horrific incidents we've all seen, touched, smelled, and felt into a lame excuse to earn political points. And it dishonors us all.

And while Spencer Ackerman is not a veteran himself, I think he sums up what many combat vets are feeling today after hearing the campaign's statement:

What McCain went through in the North Vietnamese POW camps is an unimaginable, unfathomable horror. The word "heroism" doesn't really capture it sufficiently. It is a singular experience, and it defies human nature to expect that it wouldn't have been the crucible through which McCain's essence was formed. But it's becoming a verbal tic, the equivalent of Rudy Giuliani's noun-verb-9/11. Does it honor or cheapen that experience to use it to bat away unrelated questions about, say, how many homes you own, or whether you truthfully entered a cone of debate-silence or what influences your musical taste? By bringing up the POW experience at opportunities like these, McCain is clearly trying to bait Obama into seeming to attack that experience. That's a really unfortunate move that's entirely beneath the character of a man who endured what McCain endured.

I agree. But there's also another issue here:

2. Thousands of veterans are homeless--that is, they have ZERO homes.

John McCain seems to forget that while he and his wife own at least eight houses, there are currently over 150,000 homeless vets on America's streets. The only "houses" they own are cardboard boxes under a bridge. Many of these vets served alongside John McCain in Vietnam. Some might have even been POWs. Either way, thousands of them have suffered immeasurably overseas, in the service of their country.

Therefore, to justify owning eight homes by saying he was a POW for five and a half years is disingenuous at best, outright repulsive at worst. If McCain thinks so highly of the wartime experience, perhaps he has some floor space to spare for a few homeless vets in a handful of his many homes.

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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:37 PM
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1. POW was really his excuse? For this too? Wow...
So what's the argument? He did 5 years in shitty conditions so that entitles him to half a dozen or more palatial homes?

Sweet! Can't wait until THE REST of the POW vets get word. Can we assume big-ass checks are on the way to all of them?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:39 PM
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9. i forget which way Mc is swinging on the torture thingie....
I'm guessing torture is okey dokey with him as it is with his master chimp.

so.......
were you tortured, McPow? or not?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:39 PM
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2. The blogosphere and the surrogates need to drive point 2 home incessantly.
McSame voted against the new GI Bill and yet claimed credit.

He's VILE.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:41 PM
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3. Guilty of Abusing the POW CARD///McAnus is a fungus among us
Like a bar drunk, its the same ole stories// its getting to be Predictable and Nauseating at the same time....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:16 PM
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6. His campaign would be over. n/t
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:44 PM
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4. "John McCain Needs to Lay Off the POW Talk" In truth, that's all he's got.
he'll be speechless and incoherent if he does try to talk anyway!
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:18 PM
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5. Um...some POW's from Nam' have not had any home. Ever.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:17 PM
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7. Time to link this to his votes against increasing veterans' benefits n/t
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:21 PM
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8. K&R
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:05 AM
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10. A noun, a verb, and "POW"
He should pick Rudy as his running mate, that way they will have TWO topics to talk about instead of just one.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:34 PM
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11. Why did John McCain take a shit on stage?
Scenario: John McCain, in a fit of delirium and absent-mindedness, stops mid sentence during a campaign speech. He removes his pants, takes a huge dump on the stage, then says "oh yeah, what was I doing again", and returns to his speech.

The next day, McCain spokesman Brian Rogers defends the Senator's actions.

"This is a guy who shit in the jungle for five and a half years -- with no toilet paper," referring to the prisoner of war camp that McCain was in during the Vietnam War, "I think he is entitled to take a shit where he wants now."
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 01:59 PM
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15. .
:rofl:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:40 PM
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12. It seems the vets are noticing and are not appreciative ....

McCain’s POW Defense: Devaluing Our Service and His Own

By Lt. Gen Robert G. Gard Jr., USA (Ret.)

The McCain campaign has spent weeks trying to portray Obama as out of touch with the concerns of ordinary Americans. Today, an interviewer at Politico.com asked McCain how many homes he and his wife owned, to which he responded that he was not sure but would get someone from his staff to answer.

Contrary to what many will tell you, this does not make McCain out of touch with ordinary Americans, as many families today are in trouble with their banks and trying to figure out how many homes they have - zero or one.

Still, it’s the campaign’s defense we find deeply troubling:

“This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years — in prison.”

We obviously honor and respect McCain’s service and the five-and-a-half years of horror that he went through at the hands of the North Vietnamese; but it’s not an excuse for everything. He has already used it to explain away his infidelities in his first marriage. He’s used it to defend his healthcare plan. He just the other day used it to deflect accusations of having skirted the rules of the Saddleback forum.

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So today, we ask not as Veterans for Obama, but as Veterans of America that Sen. McCain respect the service of his fellow POWs and combat veterans, and stop cheapening their service by hiding behind his own.


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http://vetsforobama.org/

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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 01:54 PM
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13. John McCain is a coward and a liar and he is SPITTING in the faces of vets
everywhere who have come home to little or NO health care and have NO MANSIONS to live in.. They are lucky to have a home at all.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 01:58 PM
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14. This is basically a "Quit being such a fucking drama queen, McCain."
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 02:01 PM
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16. McCain has been playing the POW Card since 1982.
And, he's used it in defense of another "housing scandal" before.

When McCain was accused of carpetbagging when he moved to the 1st AZ district to run for Congress, his response was this, in his exact words:

"Listen, pal. I spent 22 years in the Navy. My grandfather was in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move a lot. We have to live in all parts of the country, all parts of the world. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of growing up and living and spending my entire life in a nice place like the first district of Arizona, but I was doing other things. As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter5.html
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