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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:10 AM
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Who else is not panicing?
Yes, the race is tight now, if we are to believe the polls and EC projections. I think Obama had some good defense for a while and can turn this around if he hits McCain harder - and maybe the VP choice should have experience. A little worry is healthy, but there's more history than the 2004 maps at this point. Also, people's opinions of Obama right now are still very flexible. There is a lot of time, and McCain has plenty of weaknesses (bellicoseness, grumpiness, gaffes and scandals, less message discipline than Bush to name a few.)
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:12 AM
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1. I'm not.
if someone knws more about how the campaign finance rules differ between Obama and McCain, coul dyou please post to clarify?

I'm pretty sure McCain is under different restrictions than obama - he has to spend a certain amt before the convention, whereas Obama does not. This rush of cash could explain some poll movement where McCain is using up his money before the deadline and Obama is not yet ready to set lose his ads.

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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:51 PM
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48. Bad news ... IMO ...
BECAUSE of campaign finance reform McCain will pretty much match BO ...

McCain gets handed his 80 million or so AND is going to ACTIVELY fundraise for the RNC and side groups ... Who are going to be able to spew EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS nonsense than McCain has let fly under his flag ...

The way of the world - America ... BO got SMASHED for not taking public financing, and in fact McCain will have gamed it BUT good ... He gets to fund raise as normal AND gets campaign welfare ...
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:11 PM
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50. good info, thanks. I still think that Obama has not reached his
apex in funds.
I think we will see a consistent rise in donations to him these next few months.

I'm sure a lot of people are holding back and waiting for the bell to ring before they cough up their hard earned cash.

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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:13 AM
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2. I'm a bit surprised at how close the polls are but
I'm not worried.
Next week will be a big one for Obama and the Dem party, and should make a difference in the polls.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:54 AM
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35. I'm not surprised by the polls
1) they are scewed against Obama from the git go because most of his strongest demographics are on cells not landlines.

2) Obama's been on vacation try to get some rest.

3) The Georgian crisis probably helps swing a few points back to McCain nationally.

4) Drill Here, Drill Now, Payless is really resonating with the inherent narcissism and sense of entitlement of the "Me Generation" not to mention the undereducated rural voters that for some crazy reason have decided to live in the middle of nowhere and have to drive 50 miles to get anywhere or do anything.

5) The Campaign is focusing a lot more on building the most thorough ground game in the history of presidential politics and isn't dropping a lot of money on ads.

6) The Corporate media is trying it's hardest to make this a horse race and are probably playing with the numbers to make it interesting.

considering all these things, he's doing pretty good.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:15 AM
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3. I'm not panicked.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:16 AM
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4. He was just on vacation for a whole week.
Of course McCain is gonna have some improvement when he has a whole week to go out and lie about Obama all he wants. I think Obama will have a solid lead after the convention.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:17 AM
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5. OMG, OMFG, sh*t, f*ck, hell, damn, piss
Panicking? PANICKING! Who the fuck is panicking!

(It's over, we're screwn, this is hugh!1!, must keep control!, dear god please)

1 (deep breath) 2 (deep breath) 3 (deep breath) EXHAAAALLLLEEEE! Whew!




I'm good!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:19 AM
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6. I'm not panicing....
I think his choice in VP will be an excellent one, and he's going to get a huge bump as a result of his VP pick and the convention.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:20 AM
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7. Here.
No drama.

- as
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:21 AM
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8. not me. hes waiting on purpose.
i think even the vp pick is being delayed for a reason. Many of the crazy ass PUMAs are still waiting to see if hillary ends up on the ticket, which she will not. If he announces this to early, it gives them to much time to create disruption in the convention and through the party.


after all, PUMA = party unity my ass.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:21 AM
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9. After watching this time and again during the primaries
it's got me in a pretty much "ho hum" state of mind.

Time after time after time the same thing hapopened. Hillary was being picked to win Wisconsin before Obama nailed that one. Heck, it's become old hat for us long time Obama supporters. It's expected.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:22 AM
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10. No panic here
We'll know the VP choice when Obama text messages everyone, and as for the polls...Obama is just getting warmed up.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:24 AM
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11. Not panicking at all.
Obama has shown himself to be a very capable politician, whereas McCain has already thrown his principles to the wayside in order to bring this race to a draw.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:26 AM
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12. I think it's good the polls show it's close, it keeps us on our toes, and makes the repukes
Over confident, which I believe with throw them off their game.

And the fact that McCain is doing so well is proof that the song was right
"been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding"
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:28 AM
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13. I'm not worried
Forget panicking.

Wait and see what the autumn leaves bring us.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:29 AM
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14. I just think Democrats who are panicking have no spine.
They can't even hang tough for a nanosecond!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:56 AM
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36. They're sitting in their Osha
chairs waiting for spine transplants.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:33 AM
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15. I think the polls are way off, whether intentionally, or not. I'm not worried. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:34 AM
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16. I'm not. We'll pick up momuentum next week and carry much of it through September,
at least.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:36 AM
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17. Cool as a cucumber.
Just like Obama.

That is the primary thing I like about him -- his temperment and his ability to keep his eye on the prize.

How soon people forget -- we have been down this road before, during the primary, with some Obama supporters here freaking out when the Clinton Kitchen Sink strategy was inacted. Obama neded to hit and hit hard!, was the wisdom of some. Instead, he just kept putting one foot in front of the other on his journey and got to his destination just fine, thank you very much.

Obama just needs to keep hitting is message, responding to the lame attacks with a whole lotta Truth, and keep his eye on the prize.

It is going to be a very L-O-N-G election season for those who freak out at every twitch in the polls. They need to take a cue from the nominee and remain calm, cool, and collected.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:36 AM
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18. If you throw out the panic over stealing the election...
..then I think one America has a chance to actually SEE and HEAR McCain after the conventions, we'll be fine. Right now all he's doing is attack attack -- and people have not been treated to seeing how absolutely scary he is or how out of touch the guy is. The real fight starts in September, and I hope that the Obama campaign and the Dem Party gets their claws out.

And the polls I've seen today are from very ridiculous sources. I have no worries. Any asshole that would knowingly vote for a republican Bush-lover after being through these last horrific 8 years, deserves the country they get.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:37 AM
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19. What..me...worry!!!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:38 AM
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20. No panic here
Waste of time and energy.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:38 AM
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21. I am not panicing.
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:38 AM
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22. I'm not!
Unfortunately, I saw the poll headline and wasn't shocked when I came here to see thread after thread (some sarcastic) about this. The MSNBC article said he was losing ground with "liberals". WTF? Can anyone explain to me why a liberal would rather see McCain win this election?

I just don't get it!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:39 AM
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23. I worship velvet.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:40 AM
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24. One word: Xanax
You could drop a meteor on my house right now and I wouldn't care. Come to think of it I do believe it's nap time.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:41 AM
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25. I'm panicking because I know how stupid
the elctorate is. They (we?) can be sold a bill of goods very easily. McCain can probably convice people he has a clue about the economy. Just watch.

People already have amnesia about the past 8 years.
Very disturbing.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:44 AM
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26. Not. One. Bit.
I think Obama's just holding back a bit, and will come out swinging. We'll have his VP announcement soon, then the convention, and then the real campaign is ON!
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:47 AM
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27. Not me
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 11:53 AM by Abacus
I was worried about the complacency, but that has pretty much gone now as more reputable EV trackers have come more in line with mine.

electoral-vote.com 264 - 261, Obama
fivethirtyeight 281.4 - 256.6, Obama
Real Clear Politics 264 - 274, McCain
me 261 - 277, McCain

Actually, I'm already noticing some turnaround, ironically beginning with the 8/15 Colorado poll that showed Obama behind, but also showed leaners going for Obama by 60%.

Edit: forgot RCP

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:48 AM
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28. I'm not
:shrug:
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tnlurker Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:48 AM
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29. Me.
Obama should take this race in a cakewalk. If the election is fair he will win 40+ states.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:49 AM
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30. Rec'd~ I'm not only not panicking..I'm
confident that Obama's going to win. I've been on the road and offline for two weeks and it's been refreshing.

Sorry, to see all the chicken littles here but what's new? I kept my eyes on the Prize during the primaries, too, when hillary and bill were doing their damnedest.

Well, now it seems hillary is behind Obama and bill is still fucking around but so what..we don't need him.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:50 AM
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31. Not me....
I have confidence in the Obama campaign.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:51 AM
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32. "if he hits McCain harder" That's why some of us are worried.
He should have been hitting McCain hard for a few months now.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:52 AM
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33. stop worrying!
this is what the second amendment is for! (just kidding!)

seriously, if Obama for some odd/.illegal/fraudulent reason is not in WH in 09, I can tell you that every single person I've talked to here (Georgia!) who is a liberal has expressed that they will LEAVE this country or uprise.

Our lives depend on getting this right and I'm sorry, but no poll can convince me that McCain is leading. This is pure BS. Remember the Repubs on last night KO who said they are voting for Obama? and the evangelical leader yesterday who wrote the letter to her peeps saying bite me, I'm voting for the real christian, the pro-life (as in nall life, not just sperm meets egg) Obama?

This is all meant to keep us from SEEING. the defections from their own party.

whenever they say anything, remember to check for the opposite happening or whatever they are accusing or asserting is what they are doing. This works everytime...

They are doing the age old dance of manipulation. machiavelli would be proud. Keep our eye on the BALL not on their words. they are just there to distract us from reality.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:54 AM
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34. about how we are fucking with Russia? yes a little...
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:02 PM
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40. Good one
Yep, that's scary.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:57 AM
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37. It's crazy in here!
:crazy:
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:59 AM
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38. 1089 Likely Voters and people are panicking?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26308429 /

(Snipped tidbits)

The poll was taken Thursday through Saturday as Obama wrapped up a weeklong vacation in Hawaii that ceded the political spotlight to McCain, who seized on Russia's invasion of Georgia to emphasize his foreign policy views.

And...

Obama had opposed new offshore drilling, but said recently he would support a limited expansion as part of a comprehensive energy program.

That was one of several recent policy shifts for Obama, as he positions himself for the general election battle. But Zogby said the changes could be taking a toll on Obama's support, particularly among Democrats and self-described liberals.

"That hairline difference between nuance and what appears to be flip-flopping is hurting him with liberal voters," Zogby said.

As I said ^^^ WTF?


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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:02 PM
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39. Obama will get a huge bump in the polls...
Obama will get a huge bump in the polls in the three days following the convention. McCain will get a bump in the polls also, but it certainly won't be dramatic.

After his VP pick, and after the conventions are over, watch for the good Senator to dispense with his kid gloves, tighten his own message, and begin raining body blows onto McCain, from which McCain will not recover.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:22 PM
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41. I'm not. We are 76 days away. The polls are bullshit, and 70% of the country thinks we need change..
...Obama wins in November hands down...

But we still have to keep working at it...the M$M and their right-wing puppet-masters won't allow it to be an easy win...
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:23 PM
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42. I'm not worried. I'll probably start worrying if things stay the same towards the GE. n/t
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:24 PM
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43. I don't start panicking until after Labor Day
It's the time that people start paying attention to the elections. Until then, most people still aren't paying attention. They don't start until the kids are off to school, families start spending more time together and the routines get set for the fall. I mean, why do think the Bushies didn't roll stuff out until after Labor Day?
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:27 PM
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44. I'm not.
I think Obama is doing wonderfully in the campaign, looks very Presidential and has surrounded himself with good people for the most part. I think that the young voters are still energized and I see more bumper stickers and signs every day. I know there is a lot of talk about the VP choice, but I doubt they will have that much impact in the end.

I can't wait for election day! What a celebration we will have!

:toast:
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:36 PM
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45. Stayin' cool.
Obama's been playing his cards right all throughout the primaries, and this little slide with Obama on vacation (where conditions are as good as they're going to get for John McCain, and he still can't break 44-45% or take the lead at all) will pass.
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hoffyburger Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:38 PM
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46. No way n/t
n/t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:47 PM
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47. Me.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:06 PM
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49. Yes, Panic is Not the Correct Response
but there is definite reason for concern.

Obama's polls are following a very similar trend to Kerry's, and for similar reasons. I hope he is able to pull his image back. He is good at it, but once people get a perception in their minds it is hard to change.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:16 PM
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51. I'm Not. n/t
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:28 PM
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52.  I'm panicking.
But I've done that before. Especially in the primary. Though this is the biggest episode of panic I've had.
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