I'm more convinced Obama needs Hillary because shes a good attack dog

[bigdarryl]

As VP I mean. All this talk of Tim Kean is a joke if hes picked the rethugs will go after him as being unexperienced in Foreign affairs and a empty suit. Obama needs Hillary plain and simple.

[tekisui]

1. Or Biden. Hell of an Attack Dog there.

[nsd]

4. Agreed. Biden would be a good pick. /nt

[Toucano]

9. I just can't see Biden bringing attracting any votes.

He has no regional appeal.

No real demographic appeal.

I am not convinced he's a great choice.

[nsd]

14. I think he would shine in the VP debate and be an effective spokesman.

He has a quick mind, is very knowledgeable about policy, and can be quite charming. You're right that by himself he doesn't bring in any big block of voters, but that's mostly true of every potential VP except Hillary Clinton.

[Toucano]

17. That's true. He's good in that way.

I think there are others who could deliver regional votes.

Bayh, for example, would surely deliver Indiana.

Virginians, Floridians, Georgians and North Carolinians could probably be swayed with a candidate from their state too.


Biden isn't objectionable. I think it's just a numbers game, though.

[musicblind]

34. I'm a Hillary supporter who would be satisfied with Biden

I would prefer John Edwards or SHOCK Hillary Clinton. However, Biden is still an excellent choice. Unlike Tim Kaine. Not excellent at ALL!

[polichick]

2. All they'd have to do is makes ads using footage of her trashing Obama.

[tekisui]

3. Yep. That ship sailed long ago. But, I agree that we need a bigtime

attacker. That's why I am leaning more towards Biden than Kaine, now.

[polichick]

5. Biden or Wes Clark would be good on offense.

[kimmerspixelated]

11. That's what I think!

Hillary-I don't trust,...exactly... I hate to say it, I think you know what I mean....VP is only one step away from her goal...I won't say it.

[polichick]

15. I know what you mean - and imo he would be crazy to do that...

And Michelle wouldn't let him, anyway!

[Heather MC]

69. Every time I say "it" they get mad and pull my post

but we all know what "it" is and why No way in Gods Green Earth should the woman be Obama's VP

Can we move on from this BS Obama has earned the right to chose his VP and If he choses her fine, but he doesn't need her

[Toucano]

6. True, she is. But she's a pretty big target, too.

I think she could deflect her weaknesses better if she were the candidate than if she were the running mate.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Wasn't much of an attack dog against Obama.

:shrug:

[katandmoon]

20. That's because the press crowned Obama, the same way they're crowing McCain now

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. LOL

Yeah, right. That's why it was Rev. Wright 24/7

[skipos]

50. Exactly. Remember back in October of 07 when the media was saying "why can't Hillary

connect with white voters? Why can't she connect with black voters? Why is she trailing in every poll in every state except Illinois?"

Oh. Wait. My bad. They were saying that about Obama.

[musicblind]

36. I thought the reason people blame her is that she was too harsh of an attack dog on Obama

the anti-Hillary crowd should get their stories straight.

[PBS Poll-435]

39. SHE WAS A MONSTER!!!11

Don't you remember?


GAWD!















:rofl:

[mkultra]

72. your right. she was.

He needs her like he needs a hole in the head.

[JoFerret]

80. We need to win

bugger everything else.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

74. She certainly went after Obama.

But she made a fool out of herself instead of beating Obama.

:shrug:

[JoFerret]

52. More of a tutor in fact.

On topic of Biden - he has the qualities. The issue will be his tendency to speak from the hip etc.
And we will have to hear endlessly about plagiarism.

[TwilightGardener]

8. Obama might want to line up some people who can be surrogates for him

on various fronts: foreign policy, war policy, the economy, etc. I don't know that his VP, no matter who it is, will be able to vouch for him credibly on all topics. I think the VP should be best able to defend his character, his patriotism, his judgment, his fitness to lead, etc. That's where Hillary fucked up--she questioned all of that.

[polichick]

10. I agree, but then he has to stand by them - like he didn't do with Wes Clark.

[TwilightGardener]

12. Wes Clark, uh, should have been more politically agile. What he said was the truth, but

you do have to be careful in how you frame things, and in how you handle interview traps--he let Bob Schieffer outmaneuver him.

[polichick]

16. I thought he was being the perfect attack dog - and the issue...

...was then out in the open. imo Obama shouldn't have said a thing.

[CakeGrrl]

13. Hillary attacked Obama more fiercely than she did McCain.

Those pix of her looking chummy with McCain don't help much either, especially if you combine that with her statement about McCain crossing the Commander-in-Chief threshold while not knowing what qualifications Obama had.

That is NOT what Obama needs when he has to fight the media as it is. This is just more stuff that they'd love to air on behalf of helping McCain.

[Skidmore]

26. Stephen Hayes, R mouthpiece, is right now on Gregory's program

talking about how McCain has successfully put images to the argument Hillary made about Obama during the primary in that ridiculous smear ad. You are absolutely on target with your analysis. Think of the BS they could come up with from the primary based on her campaign.

[elkston]

30. The hardest attack for Hillary to live down will be when she said ...

something to the effect of: "I have the experience to be C-Chief, John McCain has the experience, and Barack has a speech".

She had absolutely NO REASON to involve McCain in that attack on Barack. Essentially she was saying, "Go home little boy, let the adults play."

I mean really, no reason whatsoever to get chummy with the OTHER SIDE to attack your primary opponent.

I like Hillary but that was the worst thing that happened in the primary.

[Sunnyshine]

75. HRC campaign using image of Osama Bin Laden/9-11 in T.V. ads in the rust belt.

That was the final straw for me. Straight up fear mongering, which has resulted in failure everywhere we look. But, I agree elkston- the one you mentioned does compete for "the worst" primary maneuver this year by one of our own Democratic candidates.

[jerryster]

18. Gephardt, anyone?

He might be helpful in his home state of Missouri. I also think he would be a good choice. It's just a thought.

[dansolo]

22. Fuck Gephardt

That slimy bastard was one of the biggest Bush enablers. May he rot in hell.

[eridani]

65. Gephardt was absent for 90% of the votes in Congress even before--

--he ran for president in 2004. Sleepy and tired we don't need.

[ecstatic]

19. Attack dog? Isn't that sexist???

Dog = Bitch? :shrug: :hide:

[polichick]

21. Yeah, but that might be better than a pussy cat. :)

[Blue-Jay]

27. Yeah. EVERYthing is sexist.

[ronnykmarshall]

29. I named my car Catfish.

I'm sure it's sexist. But I don't care. Fuck 'em!

[Blue-Jay]

31. I always liked Catfish.

[Muttocracy]

45. dog = male, bitch = female (among dog breeders that is)

[bklyncowgirl]

66. I'd go for a mean nasty bitch. Obama'd better pick someone with teeth of either sex. nt

[butterfly77]

23. I would have maybe changed..

my mind about that if it wasn't for Bill...

[WinkyDink]

24. I don't think she's on record for "attacking" McCain.

[highplainsdem]

25. Yes, he does need her, both for her supporters and for her political skills.

I just hope he realizes that.

They were a great team today addressing the AFSCME.

[Median Democrat]

33. Hillary Was Both Victimized By and Benefitted From Big Media

Hillary and her relationship during this election cycle is a complex case that defies a simplistic analysis of Big Media being for her or against her. I wish I had to write up a more in depth analysis , but for better AND worse, Hillary is well-versed in Big Media attack politics. However, as I've said, the GOP has a home team advantage when it comes to battles being fought in the MSM. Hillary would be a tremendous asset in a world where Big Media was not biased in favor of the GOP. However, this is not the case.

Thus, while Hillary is better than Obama at playing Rove's games in the media (Mark Penn is Rove-lite), the fact of the matter is that such games require the cooperation of Big Media. A case in point is the friendly treatment of Hillary by Fox News when Obama pulled ahead of her in the delegate count. Fox News suddenly stopped attacking Hillary, and started featuring Hillary and Hillary surrogates.

Now, I have some severe doubts that Fox News would continue to feature Hillary surrogates in the event Hillary were the VP. Too the contrary, I think Dick Morris, and other spurned Hillary partisans would suddenly become all the vogue, and Hillary's prior advantage in using Big Media to feature attack style politics might rapidly diminish.

Why? Because such politics requires the cooperation and support of Big Media. If Big Media does not give your attack ads hours of free air play, then the attack will fall flat. Likewise, if Big Media pundits do not cooperate in saying the talking point of the day, "presumptuous," then it is hard to coordinate an attack through Big Media.

So, in the end, does Hillary bring Big Media with her? I don't think so. Worse, is the possibility that Big Media turns negative Hillary stories into an entirely new set of talking points.

[laugle]

40. It's wayyyy to late..............

HRC supporters are already marshaling the troops to defeat him! They feel that he has made no effort to win them over, (only asking for money) and they not only won't vote for him, but they are voting for McCain to defeat him.

He should be way ahead in the polls, but he's not...........this is going to be a very close race and it shouldn't be................

I said it months ago, and I'll say it again; never take any votes for granted; and never underestimate your opponent!!

2 big mistakes that he can't afford!

[adoraz]

44. they are insane and wouldn't vote for Obama anyways...

even if Hillary was on the ticket.

Obama did everything he could. In fact, I felt he sucked up a little too much but that's politics.

[laugle]

49. Save your insults!

Those kind of comments have no place here and will only bring negative results!

That is such a losing strategy!

[Arkansas Granny]

73. Please make it clear that you are speaking of a small percentage of HRC supporters.

Most of us switched our support to Obama when Hillary ended her campaign and will vote for Obama. Hillary has made it clear that she supports Obama and has asked her supporters to do the same. I suspect that most of those who have not followed her lead were not Democrats at all.

[laugle]

83. I say, never take any

votes for granted. Continuing to insult Hillary supporters is a bad strategy. It is clear from the recent poll numbers that our party is not yet united.

[Hope And Change]

32. It`s Tim Kaine and NOT Kean.

[Cha]

35. Exactly..it'd be nice if

the OP could get Guv Tim Kaine's name right.

[Whisp]

37. Can you give any examples of attacks she has made on republicans?

not including any stuff during the 'monika' years, but attacks either against corporations or republicans defending the american citisen and their rights, etc.

I can't recall any of that but I certainly could have missed a lot.
I hear a lot of how Hillary is so good at it, but have not really seen or read a good example.

[Muttocracy]

38. Biden, Clark, Schweitzer, Feingold. nt

[TexasObserver]

41. I agree with that thought process, I just wish she hadn't given those bad quotes.

If Hill had kept away from a half dozen excessive lines, she would be perfect to balance the ticket. You're right. She's twice the attack dog Kaine will ever be. She knows how to do it, how to stay on message, and is better at laying out issues 1-2-3 than Obama is.

I really wish she had not gone over the line those few times, for I fear they simply make it almost impossible to use her.

[barack the house]

42. Hillary not in the process is not as exciting I think we've overcome a lot she'd be great for VP.->

Let's let the primaries go and win this big.

[adoraz]

43. If you want an attack dog- Joe Biden

would be best.

[AnnieBW]

46. Another word for female "attack dog" is b*tch

Didn't we get enough of people calling Hillary a bitch in the '90's, let alone the primary?

"How do we beat the bitch?" (Big donor to McSame, who laughed)

I would be careful using the words "attack dog" to describe Hillary.

[DeepModem Mom]

47. He clearly needs an attack dog. If it's Hillary that's okay by me. She's a fighter...

no doubt about it.

On edit -- I'm not sure Hillary would read "attack dog" as "bitch" in this context. I didn't. I think it's gender neutral?

[Independent_Voice]

48. Last I checked, Wes Clark was a damn strong attack dog

What does Senator Clinton bring to the table where Wes Clark wouldn't help Obama out?

[chimpymustgo]

56. Name recognition and personal popularity. Party unity.

I like Wes, and he would be on my short list - well ahead of Kaine, Bayh and Biden. But Hillary is the total package to WIN and GOVERN.

[Independent_Voice]

61. Moot. A wash. And misguided.

Name recognition - immaterial. Obama's running mate will attain instant name recognition as soon as they're selected. A moot issue.

Personal popularity - I guarantee you Sen. Clinton is equally as unpopular with as many people as those whom Sen. Obama is unpopular with. A wash (and possibly a negative).

Party unity - what about Independents and moderate Republicans who don't trust Sen. Clinton? Way to chase off potential Obama lever-pullers!

Do you honestly believe Wes as V.P. would result in the same drawbacks listed above?

[TheWraith]

51. No, he most certainly does not.

And you'd come off better if you knew Tim Kaine's name.

[Whisp]

53. I've only seen her attack Obama - how is she a good attack dog?

any examples?

[foo_bar]

54. yeah, Tom Kean is a bad choice

http://www.tomkean.com/

Tim Kaine might work per "it's the economy stupid"; Al Gore wasn't chosen for foreign policy creds or even being beloved by activists at the time (he was probably most famous for being married to PMRC Tipper when he ran for Prez in 88 (and appearing as himself on the Zappa song with "bend up and smell my anal vapors" (in response to Congress, in response to a Mentors album))), whereas Joementum was specifically picked for his hawkishness so there might be a good case for a "domestic"-oriented VP if you're a Clintonite who doesn't believe the answer is necessarily a Clinton.

[FrenchieCat]

55. That's when no one is attacking her.

Notice that she did a lot of the attacking during the primaries......but little was thrown back at her.

[PBS Poll-435]

59. That is incorrect and you know it.

Come on now... Let us not re-write history.

[JTFrog]

68. Oh please, the only thing ever thrown back at her were her own words and made up stories.

Yes, let us not re-write history. Or rehash the primaries.

[Major Hogwash]

77. The kitchen sink strategy didn't work at all for Hillary.

And it won't work for McCain.

Obama doesn't need "an attack dog", per se, he needs someone he can work with that is qualified to support his positions.

[Joe the Revelator]

57. Hillary made her bed when she decided to risk it all by supporting McCain and attacking Obama

Here's to an Obama/Kaine ticket.

[PBS Poll-435]

58. Your perspective is... um....

Hysterical.

:wtf:

[JackORoses]

76. oh really

i guess you must of missed the whole "I have a Lifetime of experience, McCain has a lifetime of experience and Obama has a speech/ Me and John have passed the Commander in Chief test, Obama hasn't" episode

Hillary became the first Democrat in history to praise the Republican opponent over her own fellow Democrat.

That's not hysterical. It's damnable, and being that it failed, pitiable.

[PBS Poll-435]

79. Grow up and get over it all ready.

:eyes:

[JackORoses]

81. you mean pretend like it didn't happen? that's the only way you can go on, huh?

[PBS Poll-435]

82. No...MOVE ON.

The primary is over.

I don't know why I bother with you. I just hope that you are getting paid for this.

[politicasista]

60. I would vote for Biden or Clark first in that role n/t

[Azathoth]

62. Just because Hillary has a penchant for playing dirty doesn't mean she is especially good at it

If you're looking for a bulldog with both the verbal agility and the foreign policy credentials to relentlessly pound McCain, Biden is by far your best choice.

[lamp_shade]

63. Meanwhile....

Our best attack dogs are the VP hopefuls, sitting on a bench like a bunch of seagulls (mine,mine,mine), hesitant to open their mouths for fear of appearing obvious. I wish he'd pick a VP now.

[salguine]

64. Problem is, she bites whoever happens to be in the way. Picking her would be the worst

mistake Obama could make.

[JTFrog]

67. Who the fuck is Tim Kean?

Nobody needs a mink coat but the mink.

[awoke_in_2003]

70. We need to leave

democratic senators out of it- don't know what they will be replaced with.

[Upton]

71. If not Hillary, Obama needs somebody as an attack dog

right now he is sitting back and allowing McCain to define the campaign. What is wrong with the Obama people? It seems like all they do is react to McCain, constantly being put on the defensive. I hate to tell anybody but that is a losing strategy.

[Sunnyshine]

78. Sherrod Brown is my fav, but I know impossible. Joe Biden or Wes Clark are all quality VP picks.

If it is Hillary, we would have a harder road ahead of us IMHO. I will support the ticket as long as it's a Democratic candidate.

[DuaneBidoux]

84. I agree.