The Case Against Hagel as V.P.: Listen Closely, Barack and Dems that don't get it.

[Phred42]

Plus add ES&S to his list of evil.
DUers who think this is benign or even an option.......Get a grip!


The Case Against Hagel as V.P.: Listen Closely, Barack
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/131

...snip...

To wit ... "Just check out the following, representative voting record of Senator Hagel, which I’ve reproduced here from the nonpartisan research organization of OnTheIssues.org. But be warned: Your progressive hair is likely to stand on end.

*Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

*Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration.

*Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)

*Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)

*Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)

*Voted NO on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)

*Voted NO on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)

*Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

*Voted YES on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)

*Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)

*Voted NO on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)

*Voted YES on permanently repealing the ‘death tax.’ (Jun 2006)....

*Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)

*Rated 36% by the NEA, indicating a mixed record on public education. (Dec 2003)

*Rated 0% by the , indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)

*Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

*Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)

*Rated 12% by the , indicating an anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)

*Rated 8% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-union voting record. (Dec 2003)

*Rated 22% by the , indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)

And, finally, the right-wing pièces de ré·sis·tance:

*90% conservative voting record; 95% support of Pres. Bush. (Dec 2006)"


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[TheDonkey]

1. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! Hagel will not be VP and isn't even being vetted

he is a conservative republican. WE need to have him out there with Obama to lure independents but there will be no way he'd end up on the ticket. Just doesn't make sense to ANYONE including Obama. No need to worry.

[Phred42]

3. There are still posts here by (apparent) dems that think its a good idea

Just want to drive a stake though it's black little heart


Hagle is going to Iraq with Obama - that's causing more of this crap

[Cha]

6. DU can't be held responsible for

every harebrained thought that escapes a member's keyboard..but thanks for listing all these reasons why Hagel isn't going to be the VP, Phred.

No cross party candidates for the top.

[RiverStone]

26. I really can't fathom how this Hagel buzz has legs???

Other than his good position on the war, he is 95% in lock-step with the Bushies. Where does this goofy idea keep coming from? More here on why this would be a ridiculus choice:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Chuck_Hagel.htm

[kaygore]

30. Yes, if Obama wants a cross-party candidate, then why not Lieberman.

Oh yeah, I forgot, Lieberman represents Israel and they can't vote in the election. Guess Lieberman is out.

[ruggerson]

4. Tell that to the Hagelbots who keep bringing him up

and rushing to his defense when OP's like this one state the truth.

[Phred42]

7. Zzzackly - Tx

[WCGreen]

15. Sec of defense...

Perhaps...

[ruggerson]

2. delete

dupe

[Phred42]

5. ok deleted

[vaberella]

8. It won't be happening so I don't get your point. They share one commonality

and are working together on that. I see nothing wrong. Obama has also complimented with Arnold on his energy plan. Why not put him down on VP list.

I don't even think Hagel as VP is of topic any more until you posted this.

[Phred42]

10. If you think this was the first post regarding Hagel as VP fodder

You haven't been paying any attention at all.

[vaberella]

12. I never said that. I said that it wasn't in debate until you resurrected in this post.

Now after your post I saw two posts reopening the Hagel non-sense.

[scarletwoman]

22. Yes, but why are YOU feeding into it? It's an utterly baseless notion -- it doesn't need a 12 point

argument about why it's a bad idea, because it's NOT FUCKING REAL IN THE FIRST PLACE!

I mean, I could post a giant list of all the ways that Obama proposing that we bomb France would be a bad idea, and it would be exactly as relevant as what you posted -- because Obama is not going propose that we bomb France, AND HE IS NOT GOING TO CHOOSE HAGEL TO BE HIS VP.

sw

[Olney Blue]

9. I'm against Hagel as VP.

[book_worm]

11. why do you let the media speculation get to you? He's not going to be the VP

Obama is smarter than that. He knows that there are too many differences.

[JerseygirlCT]

33. I think it's also about the people here who seem to keep pushing

the idea.

Drive some of us just batty that people could be so ignorant.

[adoraz]

13. Why do people keep bringing this up?

Its NOT going to happen.

If Obama chooses Hagel I will fully support them, but it shouldn't even be an issue. It won't happen. Period.

[Donna Zen]

14. I don't think that we're being listened to

Honestly...I don't think that the Party and Obama cares what we think.

[scarletwoman]

17. When has there EVER been ANY evidence that Obama has or would have considered Hagel for VP?

Don't blame Obama for a bunch of fools with keyboards trying to stir up shit.

Obama made it very clear that there would be no leaks, no VP discussions made public, and no names named until he actually announces his choice.

All this speculation about Hagel is a bunch of made-up horseshit. Don't put it on Obama!

sw

[babylonsister]

19. Wow. You rock, sw.

Can I just say? You really rock!

[scarletwoman]

21. Thank you -- I'm just SOOOO fed up with this shit!

It's bad enough that people keep posting these totally baseless speculations, what's even worse are all the mindless idiots who respond to it as if it had any fucking merit in the first place -- WHICH IT DOESN'T.

This Hagel crap is being posted either by deliberate provocateurs who are getting their jollies by watching all the outraged herd animals rise to the bait, or by egoistic assholes who want attention and have found a sure way to get it.

I'm sick of it. Shame on all the DUers who keep falling for this crap. It merits NO serious discussion, none whatsoever. :mad:

sw

[babylonsister]

18. Read This Thread: people are putting stuff out there that is crap.

Don't "ASSUME" anything.

[babylonsister]

16. What happened to Colin Powell, per Zogby? Let Obama pick his person. nt

[Milo_Bloom]

20. He won't be VP.. Sec of Def yes, but not VP.

[kaygore]

23. Obama lost a lot of support with the FISA vote

Hagel would do him in!

[babylonsister]

24. No he didn't. He was chastized and he knows it. But so what?

He's trying to win this. We can argue, but let's win first.

[kaygore]

27. I simply stated what I have observed and heard here in Va Beach

We had a big action here on Friday when Rove came for a fund raiser for the congresswoman who doesn't bother to represent us, Thelma Drake.

The local Obama organizer attended to alert participants to the opening of the Obama Virginia Beach office the next day. Every one (and I mean everyone) of the people he spoke with who were not Paul or Nader supporters cited the FISA vote and said that they were laying back until Obama showed that he was going to represent the people on critical issues (FISA, single-payer healthcare, and Iraq are not "left" issues but center issues that most Americans agree on).

I was such an Obama supporter that since the FISA vote I have had at least 30 friends and acquaintances contact me to get a perspective on why Obama flipped from his February stance on FISA to supporting the bill. Supporters and potential supporters are very concerned about this. The Obama Campaign ignores this concern at great risk!

I and many others are simply tired of having issues that are dear to most Americans colored as "left" issues and thus issues that a Democratic presidential candidate should shy away from (or, in Obama's case, run from).

Yes, I know that Obama has told us to hope and I do hope, but am VERY glad that my money is in an off-shore account in euros (and I do report the money to the IRS, so it is not to evade taxes) since Obama started moving (or running) to the right--not center where so many of us are--but RIGHT!

I find it very interesting that McCain did not vote on FISA--and very smart. I mean, who are the perverts that keep getting called out. Answer: Republicans, probably 10 to 1. I am not saying that there aren't Democrats, Independents, and whatever Paul and Nader and Green and... people are soliciting same-sex sex on the Internet, swapping suggestive pictures of kids on the Internet, soliciting sex with kids on the Internet, soliciting kinky sex on the Internet, watching all this on the Internet, etc., etc., etc.--you get my drift. But by and large it seems to be those repressive Republicans who are up to their necks in all this. Do you think that they want the government to be able to spy on them willy nilly? NO! McCain was smart enough to know this. Why wasn't Obama? If Obama wants more Republicans to vote for him (that would be the pervert vote), then he should have voted AGAINST the FISA bill.

Will I vote for Obama? YES

Will I continue to give my money to Obama? No

Will I give my money to the DNC who can then give it to Obama? Sure

Will I make calls, canvass, etc, for Obama? No

Will I make calls, canvass, etc, for the DNC? YES

Sure, I have hope but that hope is not so naive any more!

[kaygore]

29. P.S. Virginia is a target state for Obama

and the Obama campaign is putting a lot of money and effort in the state, so please don't discount my message. Obama can't afford many more FISA-like screw-ups and Hagel as VP would not just be another FISA-like screw-up. It would be Obama's Macca moment!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

25. This poor poor poor dead dead dead horse.

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[vaberella]

28. I know it was brought up so many times. I was like it's not gonna

happen. Get over it and move on. Ugh!! This thread basically resurrected about 4 other new Hagel ones.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

31. DU's permissiveness toward these Hagel/VP stinkpots is a-mystifyin'.

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[vaberella]

34. Tell me about it. He had no chance at Veep, he still has no chance.

any other places, I don't know. Obama has said he's open to repubs and Dems. however as Veep, he'd really be making trouble nad I'd have to question my vote for Obama on that end. Underlings don't bu me as much as the power of the "right hand man".

[JerseygirlCT]

32. Yup. I've been saying the same thing over and over again.

This is NOT an acceptable choice at all. AT ALL.

[polichick]

35. Choosing ANY Republican veep would be like wearing a "SHOOT ME NOW" button...

It's foolish to underestimate how far some on the right will go to maintain power.