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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:05 PM
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OBAMA IS A CHEAPSKATE!
Or at least his campaign is composed of a bunch of skinflints! We had a local Obama rally recently, and we couldn't get any campaign materials unless we buy them. And the when you order from the Obama store it takes forever to get anything. I work for the county party have donate money to and volunteered for Obama during the primaries, but if I have to buy campaign supplies, I'm not donating ANY money to his campaign and am resenting the way I'm being treated.

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:08 PM
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1. ...
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:08 PM
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2. My thoughts exactly.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:18 PM
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25. Not what I meant.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:26 PM
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74. Stop whining! nt
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:55 PM
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107. Wow! I thought Pryderi Was Being Sarcastic
He's serious. I worked as a low level volunteer on Barbara Boxers first campaign. I am not sure what today's political "activists" expect, but I can guarantee if I made that rant, I would be booted out the door as a prima donna.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:09 PM
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3. Ask not what the Obama campaign can do for you...
Seriously, if you want souvenir goodies that bad then pay for them. This is about how YOU can help the campaign, not what you can get from the campaign by throwing fits. The stuff isn't free and there's an endless demand for materials that will never be met even if they waste $10 million on it.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:09 PM
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5. Volunteers need to be appreciated. Campaign 101.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:13 PM
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11. I got a few buttons and stickers when I volunteered.
I didn't whine about not getting a whole box.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:15 PM
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16. I'm a volunteer. I bought my own button, shirt and sign...
And more to hand out to friends. I sure as hell don't feel unappreciated.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:16 PM
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22. I bet this poster has lots of free advice for the staff about how to do their job
and what Obama should be doing every time he/she goes to a campaign office. Those are the ones who usually complain most about not getting free stuff.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:18 PM
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26. I would have done the same if my order hadn't taken 3 weeks and counting
for it to arrive.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:24 PM
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34. That's life. The stuff is in super high demand.
:shrug:
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:14 PM
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63. Campaigns need money. Volunteer 101.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:38 PM
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101. A volunteer works from his or her heart
They do NOT expect compensation from any source, be it a button, shirt or any other form of 'payment'.

If you expect more than that, then you are not a true volunteer.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:09 PM
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4. Waaaahhh.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:11 PM
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7. Spoken like a true pajama activist.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:16 PM
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19. Sorry, no. I'm a fully-dressed activist and volunteer.
In 2002 I volunteered for the Wellstone campaign, and in 2004 I volunteered for the Kerry campaign, and in both instances I bought my own lawn signs, etc., too. And I didn't whine about it or accuse the campaigns of being stingy. That stuff isn't cheap. If you don't want to volunteer you don't have to, but they can't afford to give that stuff away.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:11 PM
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6. I want free stuff and I WANT IT NOW!
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:12 PM
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9. 3 weeks is being patient.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:14 PM
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14. lol
perfect response
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:55 PM
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129. !!!
:rofl:
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:11 PM
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8. Why don't you just deduct the cost of campaign materials from the money you donate?
It's all going to the same place anyway.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:12 PM
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10. That's exactly what I'm going to do. It's frustrating that the materials can't get shipped faster.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:15 PM
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15. democraticstuff.com
Union made, free shipping, and it comes in a week.

Plus other than the T-shirts the stuff is cooler and more inventive.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:18 PM
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23. We have a popular candidate. That is encouraging to most of us! n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:14 PM
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12. LOL
Welcome to our world. Just so you know the Obama campaign places very little to no emphasis on chum or swag as it is sometimes called. They will give you the tools for organizing (database, call lists, walk lists, online organizing groups, position papers) however other than the stickers they will give you nothing else. They figure if you want it badly enough you'll pay for it. Its all part of their grassroots theory. They save their cash for campaign staff and media buys.

I buy my stuff at DemocraticStuff.com because it is cheap and it comes in a reasonable amount of time. I sell most of the stuff at cost to fellow supporters.

BTW the reason we had money at the end of the primary and the other side didn't is because of moves like this.



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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:16 PM
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21. Democraticstuff.com is good, but it doesn't have the logo on its "swag".
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:18 PM
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24. Never used the following
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 04:18 PM by Jake3463
http://www.buttonsonline.com/2008/obama.html

So I can't vouch for shipping, however they are union made as well and have official logos and quanity discounts.

Try calling them to find out order processing time.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:19 PM
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27. Thanks!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:22 PM
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28. Another thing to keep in mind
A running mate is being chosen.

So the swag isn't being produced as heavy since all the designs will soon be changing to include the full ticket.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:14 PM
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13. If you can't count on campaign materials for volunteers and activists, it's going to piss ppl off
Planning an event becomes problematic.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:16 PM
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18. You seem to be the only one pissed off about it...
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:24 PM
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127. He's not
I've had people swing in for yard signs, etc., of which we had none. Folks get indignant. They've come to expect freebies. It's like their big contribution to the campaign is putting a yard sign on their lawn. :crazy:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:16 PM
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20. They aren't going to change
Donations are meant for staff and media buys. That's what I was told during the primaries. They sell everything else.

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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:22 PM
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29. There are hundreds of campaign events going on every day.
Collateral is supplied by numerous vendors through one location to ensure control over the quality and message.

Do you have any concept of just what a huge and complicated job it is to manage all of it?

people are going to complain no matter what the campaign does. There will NEVER be enough to make everyone happy, so instead of complaining, why not do something useful?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:23 PM
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32. Also to consider
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 04:24 PM by Jake3463
all the campaign materials will be changing to include another name sometime in the next month making the swag with just Obama kind of obsolete and people will want the ticket items when they come out.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:27 PM
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36. Damn good point.
That reminds me I'd better start saving up for a new batch! :thumbsup:
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NattPang Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:15 PM
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17. Considering it as an investment in our future
might be a better way to view it.
Obama doesn't charge for rally attendance,
nor does he normally beg for money.
The biggest thought to keep in mind though,
is that in contributing in any way you can
to the Obama campaign, you are helping your country
implement the changes that we desperately need.

I personally thank you for your contributions.
You are a true patriot doing all that you can do.
That is all that can be required of you.
Be very proud.

I salute you! :patriot:
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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:23 PM
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30. Until Barack Obama gives me my free t-shirt
I am going to campaign for John McCain! In fact at this point my patience is at an end........... free t-shirt be damned, Obama is a week too late for that to placate me, I want a place in his Cabinet instead........Secretary of Whining perhaps........... I guess Phill Gram is right about some people in this nation.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:27 PM
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37. I hear McCain offers free Green Screens to all volunteers
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:31 PM
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41. Classy!
:thumbsup:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:38 PM
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79. PM me what I missed
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:45 PM
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82. You didn't miss much.
"Eat shit, fuckface" or something like that.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:46 PM
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83. Dammit! People stealing my lines!
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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:34 PM
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42. Nice.
You kiss your mother with that mouth?

With friends & supporters like you, does Obama need enemies?

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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:34 PM
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43. Were you this charming when asking for signs?
Maybe that explains why nobody was in a hurry to give them to you. :shrug:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:23 PM
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31. Yeah!
!

...


:eyes:
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:23 PM
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33. Hunh ..
I always buy campaign materials.

You mean you expected gifts?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:24 PM
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35. Yes, Obama is a cheapskate
:loveya:



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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:01 AM
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130. :O
:spray:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:30 PM
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39. Bumperstickers don't win national campaigns
Everybody in the country knows who Barack Obama is, and all of the signs and stickers in the world is going to get him more votes. Volunteer for a state legislature or school board race if you want free stuff.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:30 PM
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40. Good for them!
I didn't give my money to Obama so they could send free stuff to people who cry like babies on the Internet

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:40 PM
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44. Have you been here?
http://www.obamacycle.com/

I addition, the Obama campaign has a download page so you can print your own materials:

http://www.barackobama.com/downloads/
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:54 PM
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50. Thanks!
I just got T-shirt making software for a fundraiser I'm having for door prizes!

I've been using the logo creator website for unique regional items but the less unique ones this will help with!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:45 PM
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45. I noticed that too.
In every state that I volunteered for Hillary we gave out buttons, bumper stickers, window signs and yard signs until we ran out. We never charged for them, but people told us that Obama's campaign offices were charging people for their stuff. As a volunteer I also have various T-shirts from several states, in NJ they gave us the logo shirt in white, in PA they made a special one that had the beginning of Maya Angelou's poem: Rise, Hillary, Rise. In KY they gave out a Team Hillary shirt. It was a nice perk for all of us who put countless hours helping out.

I do remember one incident in Reading, PA where a woman got offended when she visited the Obama office. She was an AA middle aged lady who came to Reading on a Saturday from NYC to volunteer. She had on the brown Hillary T-shirt that only had "Hillary" in script in turquoise on it. A discreet T-shirt, all things considered, at least not loud like the ones with her campaign logo on them. Obama's office in Reading was only about 6 blocks from ours. The lady said that she was going over there to visit and get a button. She came back a little later and was quite angry. She said that they weren't friendly to her and told her that it was insulting of her to show up wearing a Hillary shirt. She said that she told them that we were all Democrats and she just wanted a button. They told her that she would have to pay for it, so she turned around and left without it.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:48 PM
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47. And Hillary ended her campaign millions of dollars in debt
to the point where she now has to beg Obama's supporters to bail her out. Maybe they should have charged for their campaign swag.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:56 PM
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51. She raised over $209M, not exactly chump change. n/t
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:00 PM
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52. Yes, but she still ended up in debt.
My point is, if they hadn't spent money like a drunken sailor on free campaign swag for everybody, maybe at least some of that money would be left. Obama's campaign is sensibly selling that stuff rather than giving it away -- remember, they don't take money from PACs and they aren't getting public financing. Better they should charge a few bucks for a lawn sign and have some money to buy TV advertising -- and not end up in the hole, like Hillary.
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:09 PM
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59. True
David Plouffe was very wise in conserving money. He had campaign staffers share rooms and didn't reimburse them for travel unless they used public transportation.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:10 PM
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60. True, I wish that at the beginning her staff had managed her money better.
Read that a-hole Mark Penn, but the campaign didn't think that it was good PR to charge people for materials when they bothered to come in person to the office and showed interest in our candidate. If people were willing to place yard signs and window signs in their property, it was free publicity and we were grateful that they did it. Ditto for those who took bumper stickers.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:22 PM
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69. Exactly. She raised a lot but mismanaged it
And now wants Obama's supporters to help pay for all the buttons and bumperstickers you gave away. Although honestly, I have less of a problem with that than I do with paying Mark Penn.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:24 PM
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72. Yeah, well, Mark Penn is a sore subject for everybody!!!
That is something we can all agree!!!

:7
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:48 PM
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48. Please don't take offense to what I'm about to say
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 04:55 PM by Jake3463
Obama ended up with money at the end of the campaign.

Hillary didn't. There was a reason for that.

I'm sure if I showed up at the Hillary office in my town asking for free stuff in my bright red Fired Up shirt I wouldn't have been welcomed warmly judging by how my mother and my cousin were treated when a campaigner called them and they said they were supporting Barack.

It was not a nice time in PA for either camps.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:03 PM
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54. Actually, we did have a few Obama supporters come in
and we treated them well. Politics is all about selling your candidate, and who knows, these people could have eventually changed their mind and voted for Hillary. They wanted info. on her position on several issues and we gave it to them plus a button thrown in for good measure.

I'm sorry if someone from the campaign was rude to your mom and sister. That was NOT the training that every volunteer received. It was always emphasized to not disparage other candidates, nor argue with people. If someone said on the phone or while canvassing that they supported somebody else, we were told to thank them for their time and hang up or leave. Only if they said that they were undecided did we ask them if we could clarify for them any questions they may have.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:12 PM
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62. We had rude supporters on both sides
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 05:13 PM by Jake3463
Is the point I was making. If someone was rude at our office that was not the training they recieved either and I wish I could personally apologize however everyone was charged for buttons including myself and I put in alot of hours. It could have been the case the woman was offended and than things got rude and people's natural tendencies took over from there. The campaigns were a different culture. In PA Hillary's style won and in other states Obama's style won.

I'm not going to go into the full nature of the phone call but it basically ended in your a traitor to your gender or union in the case of my cousin.

The PA primary was nasty and I'm glad its over.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:19 PM
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66. Yep, you're right about that, they were rude people on both sides.
I was just surprised that they treated her like that because she was of a certain age and the 3 people there at the time were pretty young. They should have omitted the reference to her shirt and just told her that they didn't give free buttons, that was all.

Of course this is not either candidate's fault. Even so, I'm sorry that they were so nasty to your family, totally uncalled for!!! BTW, where were they in PA?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:26 PM
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73. Allentown and Hamburg
The call to my mother was from the Hillary campaign we are unsure whether or not the call to my cousin was from the campaign or a union on behalf of the campaign.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:34 PM
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77. Allentown I know well.
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 05:36 PM by Beacool
I initially volunteered there because they hadn't yet opened the Reading office (I have close friends in Reading and therefore had a place to stay).

The call to your cousin was probably from a union. A lot of union people called from phone banks set up by their unions and didn't come to the campaign offices, even though some did go there too to volunteer. I NJ we had quite a few burly guys from the teamsters union who came on a weekly basis to make phone calls.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:05 PM
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108. My friend who worked on the Clinton campaign in NC said that was her approach
She said she had someone come into the office who railed about how Obama was a Muslim trying to infiltrate the government. She wasn't sure what to do, because she worked for Hillary but knew that was nonsense and I think she tried to set the woman straight. The woman seemed upset that she refused to join her in demonizing Obama. But I got the sense that most of the people at least in that office were pro-Hillary, not anti-Obama, and that's how it should be. But it's inevitable that tensions run high sometimes and people, especially volunteers and low-level staff, sometimes cross the line.

I went canvassing with a coworker for Obama in Philly and I heard him negative-selling Clinton's health care plan and I told him to cool it. He thought it was justified, but I did not think we should be out there in a swing state saying anything that could hurt her chances in the fall if she were the nominee. So everyone has a different approach. The people in the Obama office should have been nicer to the woman in the Hillary shirt, but I can see it from their perspective too. They had people who spent hours volunteering and then asked for a bumper sticker or button and they weren't supposed to give them away, so I could see how they might be a little miffed by someone coming in from outside wearing a Hillary shirt and asking for an Obama button.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:59 PM
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118. The Muslim thing, is one that I corrected many people when canvassing.
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 11:01 PM by Beacool
It was quite prevalent, believe it or not, even after the Rev. Wright debacle. We were always told to go out with a positive attitude and not trash any opponent (in NJ all were still on the ballot). Our job was to highlight our candidate, not to put down other Democrats.

By the time PA rolled around we had volunteers from all over the country. In Reading alone, we had people from FL (3 of them had volunteered in various states and brought with them crates of oranges), a doctor from Dallas who put his practice on hold for a week because he believed so much in her health care plan, a couple from CA, and others from MI, AR, CO, a slew of people from NJ and bus loads on the weekends from NY. We even had a super delegate from KS who Bill had called in person to come and help out. There was also a group of 40 Mexican-American business people from TX who chartered a plane and were working the Philadelphia and Lehigh Valley area. How could the punditry keep repeating the "get out" message when so many people were willing to give their time and money to her campaign? She stayed in it until the last primary because of us who supported her in good times and bad times.

As for the lady in the T-shirt, she probably assumed that his campaign gave out buttons like ours did.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:04 PM
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55. Ahh, Beacool....you have an anecdote at the ready for every occasion don't you?
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 05:05 PM by Tarheel_Dem
I mean if it's anti-Obama. When will the mods get enough of you? I mean really, you never add anything positive to the discussion, and usually only show in the type of thread where Obama's being trashed. I guess your still being here is a testament to the patience of the DU Admin.

p.s.: btw, what are you doing to retire Sen. Clinton's massive debt for all the free stuff you gave out?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:14 PM
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64. I still give money just as if she were still running.
I guess that you expect a "democratic" board to be anything but.............

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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:23 PM
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71. You post as if she were still running, too...
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 05:23 PM by Alexander
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:50 PM
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87. Nope. I just expect that the board named for the party, would be used to
encourage and support the nominee and his supporters. You somehow manage to keep your toe right on that line, and in my opinion, you step over it at times, but I guess you have an in with some moderator that the rest of us don't know about. I think you mistakenly believe that you have some constitutional right to post on a privately owned message board? There are rules that we're all obliged to follow, and your posts often fall outside the bounds of constructive critique.

You post incessantly about the pissed off people who don't embrace the nominee, almost with glee. You need to get over what might have been, or I think you should find someplace else to post your negativity. As you well know, there are plenty of sites on the net where you can post all the negative crap about Obama until your heart's content. You're a downer, and I suspect that's your whole point in sticking around, but the rest of us have an election to win. IMHO.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:33 PM
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92. The only time since the primaries ended where I have openly criticized him was over the FISA vote.
But I was far from being the only one doing so.

Of course I don't think that I have a "constitutional right" to participate on this board, or any other for that matter. You do a disservice to the moderators to imply that I may have an in with any of them. It's just not so.

Besides, this thread is not about the nominee, but about campaign materials and different people's anecdotes while campaigning. There was no criticism of Obama, both campaigns had overly enthusisatic supporters.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:14 AM
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119. You're kidding right? The title of the thread is "Obama is a Cheapskate"...
but don't let facts get in the way.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:20 PM
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67. I had a disagreement with the campaign in Wynnewood, PA over this
People were asking for yard signs and resented being asked to pay for them. I think the campaign eventually reversed policy, because the last weekend I was up there they were giving away yard signs, bumper stickers, and buttons. I think they had had some trouble getting enough supply in the beginning so they were selling them.

I have worked on other campaigns where buttons and bumper stickers were sold rather than given away. When I volunteered on a Congressional campaign in PA in 2002 that campaign was giving away buttons to increase visibility, but the Rendell buttons were for sale in the coordinated campaign office. I think better-known candidates (presidential, gubernatorial, etc) have less of a need to give away buttons to get their name out there. But I was glad they changed their policy in PA...too many people were complaining.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:28 PM
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76. How much were the yard signs?
We couldn't keep up with the demand in PA. We ended up getting a batch of them near the end of the primary.

BTW, the largest amount of signs out there were not for Hillary nor Obama, they were for Raul Paul. His supporters had placed huge signs on various roads. It was a riot. LOL!!!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #76
93. $5
at the Allentown office. They were giving them away in the last weekend because they had them and wanted to get them out as fast as possible. It took them till the last weekend to have an adequate supply.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:52 PM
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96. Thanks.
Yeah, yard signs were a hot commodity for both campaigns. They were hard to come by in some states because the demand was so great. Ironically, I live in NJ across the river from NYC, and at the beginning of the primary season we didn't know what to do with so many yard signs since people didn't have yards!!! We had to ask them to send us more window signs. We would have saved those darn signs for PA if only we had known that they would be so hard to come by later on.

:eyes:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:15 PM
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99. I think it was hard getting them distributed as well
PA is a rather large state and getting signs out to all the offices once they arrived at a central location was probably hassle as well.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:38 PM
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114. Yeah, at times we had to drive all the way to Harrisburg to get them. n/t
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #76
109. Yeah, I noticed the Ron Paul signs
Although Obama signs overwhelmed them by the end. It was quite the transformation. I drove up from DC almost every weekend between the PA and OH primaries. At the beginning the only sign that there was an election going on was the Ron Paul signs. By the last weekend there were Obama signs all over I-95 and the Blue Route.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:42 PM
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116. Well, you have to give it to the Ron Paul crowd.
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 10:43 PM by Beacool
They sure were enthusiastic and loyal to their guy. I remember the one time that he raised $5M in a day on the internet, that was pretty impressive for a guy who had hardly any traction during the primaries.

:7
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:22 PM
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70. Know what else I noticed?
Obama ended the campaign with tens of millions of dollars in the bank. Clinton ended the campaign thirty million in debt.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:35 PM
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78. Don't forget the snow-shovels
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:45 PM
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46. I ordered some online and they arrived quickly
Maybe they heard you bitching? :rofl:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:49 PM
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49. Depends on what you order
It took me a month to get my T-shirts.

I work around them.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:03 PM
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53. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I understand, it sucks not to get free stuff but lets put things into perspective. The economy is rough on everyone, even the Obama campaign. Please help out as much as you can but if you cannot afford to buy materials or donate then do not, just volunteer some time. It's not a personal diss or being cheap, it is trying to WIN THIS THING!
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:05 PM
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56. Yea, lets have them waste 1 mill printing off a bunch of signs/stickers
Then when he picks a VP...oops? Patience is a virtue, the chum will be there soon.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:07 PM
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57. Try again
I showed up and participated early on, and ended up with more signs and stickers than I knew what to do with. Then I gave those to others, showed up to my convention, and was given more. Then I bought more because I wanted a specific design.

What a lame complaint. They have a supply shortage, from what I can see. At least, had. If this is your big reason to pout, you really need to reconsider your values.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:09 PM
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58. They don't give that stuff away for free
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 05:10 PM by KingFlorez
If they did, how would they ever keep up the supply? Get over it.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:12 PM
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61. This is standard. Not only small income producing, could be biggest campaign cost. Eases in general.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:18 PM
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65. We don't need another Big Spender in the white house.
You'll note that he's not $20,000,000 in debt, runs a tight ship, just what we need in office, no?

:shrug:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:28 PM
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75. Someone who worked on his Chicago campaigns said Obama is "cheap"
Something like if you want to work with him you have to do it cost-efficiently or you can't work with him. I admire this about him.

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:42 PM
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81. I remember learning about the modest salaries of his staff...
...and in contrast to Clinton's.

It tells me that his staff are committed, not in it for the freaking money but more for the principle.

:hi:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #75
95. He never had money as a community organizer
Having money is a recent thing for him. So it makes sense.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:21 PM
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68. I ordered from the campaign store and got stuff in four days. Stop being such a whiner.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:25 PM
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122. Fish gotta swim
Babies got to cry.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:38 PM
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80. Are you being serious?
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:46 PM
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84. "Obama" is now a brand and can be sold as a commodity.
That's what I take from this.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:42 PM
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94. It was always this way
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 06:43 PM by Jake3463
They are cheapskates and just don't value visability. If you want to be visible they ask you to pay for it. They want to hire as many staff, hold as many big events, and run as many commercials with donations as possible.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:53 PM
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88. I swear the last couple of weeks have been a lesson in why we keep losing friggin elections.
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 05:55 PM by Pirate Smile
People throw hissy fits about sh#$ and act like it doesn't matter if we don't do everything we can to beat McCain.

Your complaints are pretty minor but I've seen such dumb-assed, "miss the forest for the trees" reasoning lately it just emphasizes how self-destructive liberals and Democrats can be to our own candidates and campaigns.

A lot of people seem to have missed the lesson from the 2000 election. Ugghhh.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:59 PM
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89. All I can comment on is the Iowa campagin.
and it was done with saving money on mind. Obamas people slept two plus to a room. No fancy meals. They were getting funded by Mom and Pops at 5.00 and 25.00. And as was explained to me, (I volunteered) we are being funded by the little guy, and they will watch every penny given them. Some people who gave 5.00 gave a part of their gas money or lunch money. It was owed to those donors, to be careful with their contributions.

So that was the philosophy of Iowa. Honor those small donors. They are the ones that got you here. I am guessing that is still true. Hopefully that explains it. Like depression era grandparents, when you start out little, you watch every penny you have from that point on. And as a Obama supporter for a long time now, let me apologize if you felt slighted.

It was really good of you to volunteer!! Thank you so much!!!
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:47 PM
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117. "Honor those small donors!" YES!
Thank you for posting that!

I appreciated the fact that when they set up the office in my county during the primary, they asked us to donate stuff, rather than just charging it all to the campaign. I felt like the more they watched the bottom line, the better!

When we got yard signs (It took a while because they ran out, know knowing how long the primary would go on), I walked up to the desk with my wallet, ASSUMING I'd be buying one. I never expected to get one for free. Turns out they would have given it to me, but I hope that by throwing another $10 in the coffer, some other folks who couldn't afford them got them.

I imagine that right now they are not giving out a bunch of stuff due to the VP uncertainty in addition to the frugality, and both are reasonable explanations.

I am GLAD they are honoring the small donors! I'd be annoyed if they were throwing around freebies willy nilly!
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:34 AM
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121. That was one of the first things that drew me to his campaign
My 20.00 really meant something. Caucuses were funny, some campaigns were handing out bottled water, others food, and there we were, paper stickies with Obamas name on it. All we had to sell the canidate was ideas.

It really puts your faith back in people. That ideas still count. I am so dang proud to be a Democrat. All the canidates were good. I loved them all for different reasons.

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:05 PM
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90. Working for the Obama campaign in IL and IN, I bought my own Obama stickers etc. to give out.
We did everything for as little as we could.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:09 PM
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91. I know what you mean.
As a precinct captain in Iowa, we had little paper Obama stickers to hand out at caucuses. But we did have a lot of walking the neighborhoods, shaking hands, and talking to people.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:54 PM
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97. Well that settles it. I am not voting for Obama now.
:sarcasm:
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:05 PM
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98. Campaign adverts on TV go into the millions that is where most of it goes he was down this month...
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 07:06 PM by barack the house
with FISA contorversy.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:35 PM
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100. I ordered t-shirts and bumper stickers from the Obama store, and had them in less than 10 days...
That was about the time of the NC primary. If it's taking forever right now, it's probably because of high demand, or a slow-down of production due to the upcoming changes in design when he picks a veep, or a combination of both.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:40 PM
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102. Try ordering free material from McSkinflint,,,takes months and then they charge ya.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:42 PM
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103. Then get the fuck off here (maybe we should have a pizza party)
If you truly feel that way, why do you continue to post here? You obviously are anti-Obama, so leave already.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:47 PM
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104. 2nd-ed. I'm fucking sick of all the pieces of shit "on our side" hell-bent on tearing him down.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:53 PM
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106. I agree
:thumbsup:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:24 PM
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113. I am too n/t
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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:14 PM
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110. ditto. seriously, pryderi, don't let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
*way* too much whining for you to have any credibility left here.

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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:52 PM
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105. Damn It! Where Is The Beluga Caviar and the Prefabricated Signs!
I want an assistant to help me hold up this sign because it is freaking heavy. Also, my feet hurt, where's a masseuse? Cheap! Cheap!
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:44 PM
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112. Caviar??? Massages?????
Damn, I must have signed up for the wrong party.

:rofl:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:15 PM
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111. Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:41 PM
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115. I don't see anything wrong with being cheap
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 10:42 PM by Piperay
and careful with the money. It's better to be thrifty and not run out, would you rather that he gave so much stuff out that he ran out of it and went into debt? Being a volunteer is great but it's not doing it and getting nothing in return. You do it for you too so you can have a better country.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:19 AM
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120. In my experience, buying stuff from the campaign or political stores is typical. During
the 2004 election my democratic club had to buy all the buttons, bumper stickers, etc. that we either gave out or sold ourselves.
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Tideliner Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:30 PM
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123. Obama Campaign Still Owes Us $12,000
We forked out over $12,000 (promised to be returned) while preparing for his visit in Oregon.

Now they won't even return our calls. We WANTED to vote for him, but have received more support from Hillary....?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:09 PM
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126. Can you explain what happened?
What cost $12,000? Did you have a fundraiser and spent the money on food or on a venue?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:37 AM
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134. Really?
You came all the way from Alaska to campaign for Obama in Oregon? What did you fork out $12,000 for? Travel expenses?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:32 PM
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124. get over yourself
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:35 PM
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125. What a freaking crybaby.
What, exactly, have you done to volunteer for the campaign? I don't think you've done shit.
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allen6362 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:47 PM
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128. That shows he has fiscal responsibility
Don't you think?
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:05 AM
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131. When his office in Anchorage opened a few nights ago, there were ALL KINDS OF HANDOUTS
And not only that....

They were serving hamburgers and hotdogs off the grill, fresh fruit, chips, nachos, punch, coffee, all sorts of nummies..

And there were handouts out the yingyang..

Here in the Last Frontier, he is anything BUT a cheapstake!
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yeswecanseattle Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:28 AM
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132. The campaign charges for merch because
they are funding their campaign from the grassroots. Not by taking money from lobbyists or PACs. This campaign is about the 1,000,000 volunteers and the 1.7 million donors, not the select few.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:34 AM
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133. That's depending on the campaign office though....

Like I said.. When our first Obama office opened last Friday night in Anchorage (there's a second one opened since then and two more coming)...

All handouts were FREE if you wanted them.

Dinner was "on the house" (or I should say .."on the grill" )

It must depend on where you are and who's running the show.

All I know is up here.... they know how to PARTY ~~~~
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