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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:29 PM
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This is not supposed to be about Clark vs. OBama - Please see here......
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 03:54 PM by FrenchieCat
This is not supposed to be about Clark vs. OBama.
This is about Media Distortion vs. the truth.
Please do not misplace your anger, frustrations, or whatever else you feel about this issue of McCain's lack of command experience....and whether what he did experience during his service equals to executive experience qualifying him to be President more than Barack Obama.

This is about the media's reaction to Clark's statement...and they are the ones that need to be corrected. Certainly if you feel so inclined you can write to the Obama campaign....but isn't what this is about.....not in a long run.

First thing to do is to sign the VoteVet Petition: http://ga3.org/campaign/petitionclark

Also, contact the Obama campaign headquarters:866-675-2008 (option 6) -
Let them know you know exactly what Wes Clark said, and you agree with it...and they should make the distinction between swiftboating and statements of fact.


MEIDA TO CONTACT:
Morning Joe Contact page - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789 /
Chris Matthews [email protected]
Race to the White House contact page http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23598392
Rachel Maddows [email protected]
Keith Olbermann [email protected]
Dan Abrams Contact page http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19599749 /
(Fill in the "Beat the Press" feedback section in lower right column)

Also:
CNN contact page: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv /
If you look at the bottom of that page, there is all of the anchor's names. Just click on the name, and it takes you to an individual contact page for that commentator.

FUCK Fox. I can't even start with them.

My generic message:

Gen. Wes Clark did not Swiftboat Sen. McCain; Clark was only making a statement of fact, that being a POW does not provide one with command experience that is transferable to the job of the Presidency. As a POW, John McCain is a hero for what he had to endure, but the experience did not give him executive command experience or teach him how to win a war and negotiate a peace.

Indeed it is the media who is swiftboating Gen. Wes Clark who was seriously wounded and nearly died during his sting in Vietnam is also a hero. Clark more than the media totally understands what sacrificing for our country means. Wes Clark remained in the Army and rose to the rank of 4 Star General. He negotiated a lasting peace in Bosnia (that has lasted over a decade), and won a war in Kosovo without a single American casualty.

As far as Barack Obama, he is not running on a platform of National security, and if he was, he claims rightfully wherewithall to come out against the Iraq War from the start, and to spell out most of what would happen if we did in details. That's more than can be said about John McCain.


the Video: Sent it to them! Tell them to watch the whole thing, and stop using their selective portions that doesn't provide full context. That we are "on" to that tactic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXOE0oGRNXA

That is how we can help ourselves the most, imo.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:35 PM
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1. Man - Randi is on this horse right now and I want to slap her.
Clark is NOT discounting McCain's service or sacrifice. He's stating a fact that his experience doesn't segue into the qualifications needed for president.

It's a factual statement, but people don't LISTEN to what he's saying. We - they - have been doing that throughout this entire campaign - ALWAYS spinning somebody's statement to serve whatever purpose is wanted. :grr:

I'm going to start clicking your links now -- thanks!

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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:38 PM
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2. I wish i was an eloquent writer as you. ITA, time to hold the msm's feet to the fire. n.t.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:38 PM
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3. I think it's just as likely, if not more so, that Clark will be Obama's VP choice.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:48 PM
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4. Here's a contact for you
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 03:50 PM by Donna Zen
This is the Obama campaign headquarters:

866-675-2008 (option 6)

I called and reminded them the Democrats protect other Democrats not go along with the MSM Swiftboater attacks.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:55 PM
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5. Thanks. I have incorporated the information into the OP.
And you are correct, that they should understand that we understand.....and that we are dealing with the media on this, and they should too accordingly.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:56 PM
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6. That is right, no fratricide
especially when the MSM and the GOP are on the attack against one of our own :mad:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 04:10 PM
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7. I wonder how many are really writing, or calling or doing anything?
I hope that many of us are.

But somehow, I am doubtful.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 04:34 PM
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8. done. I will send again when I get home. :)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 04:51 PM
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9. Thanks for your activism!
:hi:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:29 PM
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10. I sent off my responses.
You're right. This is not a Clark v. Obama issue as much as it is an issue of the media decrying any criticism of John McCain.

It's about time that someone in the media take an long and honest look at who John McCain claims to be. Yes, he was a POW and that sucks but it doesn't make him anymore qualified to be president than someone wrongly imprisoned in this country is.

Mz Hussein Pip

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:32 PM
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11. Aye.
Neither Wes Clark nor Barack Obama were born yesterday.
Both know the media for what it is.
I don't think that this whole thing happened by accident.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:55 PM
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12. Thanks for the thread, Frenchie..
but, I see all these posts that see their chance to take a dump on Obama.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:32 PM
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13. My letter to the Verdict's Dan Ahram.......
Dear,
Wes Clark was making a statement of fact, in reference to John Mccain. The facts are that being a POW does not provide one with command experience that is transferable to the job of the Presidency.

As a POW, John McCain is a hero for what he had to endure, but the experience itself did not give him executive command experience or teach him how to win a war and negotiate a peace.

Indeed it is the media who is swiftboating Gen. Wes Clark who was seriously wounded and nearly died during his sting in Vietnam and who is also a hero. Clark more than the media totally understands what sacrificing for our country means. Wes Clark remained in the Army and rose to the rank of 4 Star General. He negotiated a lasting peace in Bosnia (that has lasted over a decade), and won a war in Kosovo without a single American casualty.

As far as Barack Obama is concerned, he is not running on a platform of National security, but judgement, as evidenced by this correct assessment of what a bad strategy going into Iraq would be....a view he shares with Gen. Clark. Now that's more than can be said about John McCain.

The video when played in full makes it clear that Clark's comments were measured and accurate.
See here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXOE0oGRNXA

Far as I can see it, the Obama campaign wins because this issue is being debated as it should be;
Gen. Clark wins, because war winning 4 star generals always do, and John McCain loses because if he thought that his resume could never ever be discussed, he was wrong.

So why is the media treating McCain's service as a "Sacred Cow", but feel that it is ok to question Obama's patriotism each and every day and to call Clark raising a pertinent issue swiftboating? Too bad the media is not allowing the public to know exactly what Wes Clark's qualifications are that allows him to express his justifiable opinion about John McCain's resume.

Respectfully,
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