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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:34 PM Original message |
Do you people have freaking amnesia? |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. It is important never to underestimate one's adversary. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. Are you part of the problem or the solution? Calling people out can |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. As you mentioned, calling out can be considered a problem |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. About beating McSame? I'd love to read them. That IS what you're |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I'm talking about the cockiness |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. The totally corrupt election process in Ohio tipped the scales |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. 2004 should have been a LANDSLIDE |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. You have a valid point there. But, I don't think that over confidence |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
77. I was an election judge in '04. |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
83. If Kerry or Gore... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. If YOU want to set an example, I'm all ears instead of you |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Have fun in your bubble |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. What, no links? WHAT a surprise! You ARE part of the problem. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Deleted message |
babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Bwhahaha! CU? You're kiddin', right? |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. The most dangerous attitude is one of over-confidence.... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Don't confuse 2004 with 2008, and don't confuse |
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Terry_M (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. We lost in 2004 because Kerry ran a shitty campaign |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Thanks for your inaccurate insight. n/t |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Or because voters did not show up on November 4th, many dont |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. You're misinformed. You should check out this section of DU... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
74. Babylonsister, I have the greatest respect for you and I don't know this poster. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Nope to all of your post... We lost because they stole the ellection... |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. Most pathetic campaign ever. Frustrating beyond belief. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #39 |
56. Wasn't there a recent campaign |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. and this has what to do with the topic at hand? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #67 |
79. The haters always have to make it about the Clintons even though it has nothing to do with the topic |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
75. Thank you |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. And others love tearing apart Clinton for the fun of it, Kerry did lose |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #56 |
78. Did that candidate you're referring to lose to an imbecile & the worst president in history? |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
58. er, well, actually, |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. Anyone who says this election is a cake walk is nuts! There is ONE |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. Living in Texas teaches me not to be complacent. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. Kerry was kicking Bushs ass at this time in 2004, I still can not believe that he lost |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. It will NOT be an easy win for us; there's an added societal factor that we can't really |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. So maybe if we weren't so busy kicking the ass of our own, |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Considering the nastiness of the primaries |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
15. I posted similarly earlier today. |
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Super Soaker Sniper (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
17. I only get amnesia |
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Blondiegrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. Yeah, it's frustrating. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
27. We will fight hard, and we will win. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
30. No candidate running in such an unfavorable environment as McCain has EVER been successful, EVER |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Oh ok |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. this is NOT a comparable case .. AT ALL |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. this article has been eaten up by conservative pundits |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I have not found one serious political scientist across the spectrum who does not think that |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Do you have a chance to see phrgndumass's daily and weekly |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. thanks, I was following it closely for awhile..I'll have to get back to it |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
31. Let me be the third to rec this thread, and to say I am totally wide awake - it MUST NOT be close |
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KaryninMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Thank you. My sentiments exactly-- we have not had a legitimate election since before 2000 |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. I certainly do know the song. *sigh* |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
34. Bush's campaign was a very tight ship. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. Bush was an incumbant and Kerry, unlike Obama, didn't defend himself and acted aloof |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
72. Yep. Let's tear down Obama's surrogate to promote him |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
37. Excellent point, Lirwin2. The worst mistake we could make is to underestimate McCain |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
38. I was amazed Bush got ANY votes at all in 2000, |
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musicblind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
45. Great post! |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
46. No amnesia here, Lirwin. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
47. Interesting article from truthdig (July 17, 2007) |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
48. Obama is polling far better against McGramps than Bush ever was against Kerry |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Can you trust the polls? Both Kerry and Gore were polled to win right |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. No they really weren't polled to win through election day |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
49. i have freaking amnesia |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
50. i understand how a landslide might avoid election theft... |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I would tend to actually think the opposite |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. that argument works if you KNOW his true convictions. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. how ever lacking FDR or LBJ were and however inadequate the New Deal and the Great |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. you see sweeping social change.... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. So basically |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
51. I think we should actually work harder than ever to win both by a large |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
52. Don't confuse cheerleading with analysis |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
53. Thank God somebody else said this! I was starting to feel like |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
57. The 2008 environment is far more unfavorable for Republicans than 2004. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
60. Yes, the subject populace of Imperial Amerika has TV-induced amnesia. |
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windoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
62. It is a trick |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
63. I agree with you |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
64. I think too many have learned over time. They've seen g.w. bush for that last 8 years... |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
66. 2008 is a different ballgame from 2004. Bush didn't hover much below 50% approval ratings |
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chriswallace112 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
69. It's a trap!!! |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
70. Never be lulled into a sense of security....... |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
73. George Carlin on voting in AmeriKa |
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AmyCamus (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
80. You hit that nail right on the head, Lirwin. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
81. I'm confident in a Democratic win in Nov |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. We're going to beat McCain with ease. |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
85. I agree, see below |
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