"Was that speech worth $30 million?" - Question I was asked. Answer:

[WilliamPitt]

Yes.

That $30 million will deliver 17+ million votes, MI, PA and maybe even WVA. Best goddam money the party ever spent.

Next question.

[Syrinx]

1. what, did Senator Obama agree to pay off the Clinton debt?

:shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

2. No, not publicly anyway.

Count on it getting paid off. And before the end of the month, too.

Onward.

[Syrinx]

4. whatever gets Obama in the Biracial House...

Is cool with me!

;)

[VeraAgnes]

9. Good! She needs to say out of the way!

I also hope she takes a long vacation. Let the Obamas, Richardson, Edwards and Kucinich go out and campaign for our Nominee. Hillary will only make Obama look weak, as if he needs this woman to unify the Party for him.

[shadowknows69]

10. I don't think Obama looks at it that way

I think he'd be thrilled to have her and Bill campaign for him but only if her heart is in it and it would be understandable if it isn't yet. Let her take all the time she needs and join him on the campaign trail when it's right.

[WilliamPitt]

13. Wow.

Sorry, but...damn, do you ever need to learn a few tall truths about national elections and the DNC.

Omaba could walk on water, raise the dead, and turn the Mississippi River into a nice merlot...and it won't help him a bit with winning MI and PA. This time, those states are far from automatic. Without Clinton's help on the trail, we will lose those states sure as you're breathing...and we lose the White House without those states, period, end of file.

But.

Have her campaign like crazy there, as per her oath yesterday, and have her deliver them. Have her campaign in all the Gore2000 states, our "traditional strongholds." She'll deliver them...

...while Obama campaigns in Montana, Colorado, Arizona, Missouri, Iowa, Arkansas, Ohio, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, Georgia...with his far superior campaign warchest, he can force McCain to spend precious resources defending "safe" GOP states until McCain cannot challenge any of our strongholds. We may only pick up one or two, but that'll do it.

Senator Clinton is gold, francenscence and mhyrr...unless you hate her so much you'd rather lose than have her involved.

:shrug:

MI and PA at minimum. Ballgame.

[Exilednight]

14. Michigan is not a wildcard state. I agree about PA, but Michigan is an easy win for .........

Obama. It's the state hit the hardest by the by economic downturn. There's no way that McLame should even have a prayer in MI.

On the other hand, PA is having a bit of an economic surge. People from NY and NJ are moving to the north-east part of the state in record numbers.

[WilliamPitt]

15. No, I don't think so.

The muscle behind any/all Democratic GOTV/campaigning/phonebanking/canvassing/etc. gets half a chair in Denver this August, and a lot of those folks listened to the rhetoric and blame Obama, Dean and the DNC for it. That's lethal.

Only Senator Clinton can fix that flat tire.

[Exilednight]

20. Total bullshit. Most people in Michigan don't buy into the rhetoric ...........

and don't blame Dean and Obama.

[WilliamPitt]

22. I hope you're right.

(total bullshit unsubstantiated statement to follow)

Some folks I've talked to who do this stuff professionally aren't as sanguine about it.

P.S. You know most people in MI? How do you get anything done?

;);););) <------ (kidding)

[VeraAgnes]

19. Obama will need to show his true strength and Presidential leadership as being able to

win those states on his own, without a Mrs. Clinton to overshadow him..........He will always be haunted in his Presidency as being lead by the skirt to the finish line. I see it as a huge negative for Obama and the Democratic Party.

Obama bloodied Hillary severely, maybe into submission...that will be the appearance. Obama will risk being labeled as if he was forcing a woman to do his work for him. It is in very bad taste and a risk.

Let Obama, use the other candidates, Edwards, Richardson, Biden, Kucinich and other powerful members of Congress....Make this a clean win.

[WilliamPitt]

21. Having one of our strongest campaigners assist in delivering vital states

isn't a "clean win"?

Better question.

When, exactly, did anyone anywhere ever achieve a "clean win" in the political arena?

Even God has blood on His hands from that game, particularly from Egypt's long-lost firstborns, or so the story goes.

Clean win? That's T-ball.

Win.

Millions of lives at stake, literally. The Constitution and the rule of law. Choice. Air. Water. Food. This worm doesn't have many turns left...and Obama won't fix it all, not nearly, but this headlong sprint towards the abyss will be slowed, and perhaps even stopped for a time.

Achieving that is as clean a win as could ever be.

So.

[VeraAgnes]

26. I'll take what you say under advisement.

I'm leaning at leave the Clinton home. It's a new Party now, progressive movement has come into it's own.:smoke:

[shaniqua6392]

24. This Michigander agrees with you Will.

Believe it or not, this state is not an easy win for Obama. McCain has been running commercials for two months here. He touts how "independent" he is and how he will be creating jobs, etc. There are a lot of Republicans in this state. There are also many who have lost jobs and houses. I don't know which side will win. Obama also knows this will not be an easy win. That is why he has been here twice in the last few weeks. On a good note, my daughter ran into a group of Obama supporters at a nearby Target store who were helping people register to vote. They were wearing Obama shirts and passing out bumper stickers, etc. The store is located in Farmington Hills just outside of Detroit and it is a Republican dominated area. My daughter said they were getting a really good reception from the customers going in and out of the store.

[frogcycle]

17. ok, now THAT is sexism

geez!

[WilliamPitt]

18. Mmmm...you give too much credit.

Sexism requires at least some degree of intent.

I think that above was just...dumb.

Maybe I'm wrong. But we both have better things to think about, I gotta believe. :)

[frogcycle]

23. ok, maybe just dumb

after all, she is the only woman in the crowd of former competitors, so listing the others as valuable and referring to her as "this woman" COULD be just coincidence...

and yes, there are bigger issues, but that expression just leapt off the page at me - maybe it is a symptom of our media-driven supersensitivity

[WeDidIt]

12. Obama's campaign can chuck in $2000

Obama and Michelle can each chuck in $2300.

Beyond that, Obama can tap his big donors and ask them to donate to her campaign as well as do some fund raisers for her.

But not a penny beyond two grand of what he's raised can be thrown her way.

That said, I think most of it will be taken care of by the Obama big donors.

[sandnsea]

3. I have to agree, that was a helluva speech

I didn't get a chance to watch it until a few hours ago, family emergency and I've been in and out last night and today. Right around the middle of the speech, she just soared. When she talked about women winning primary states and the light shining through the glass ceiling, it was magical.

[NashVegas]

11. I Wonder If Maya Helped Her With That

HRC never struck me as the poetic type, but I guess anything's possible.

[shadowknows69]

5. As long as Mark Penn and Terry McFuckstick get paid last

and he settles her debt with the small business she fucked over.

[Syrinx]

6. right on!

:thumbsup:

[keep_it_real]

7. Legelly the Obama campaign can't pay off HRC's debt

The only thing the Obama campaign can do is share their donors list, according to one of the talking heads; I don't recall which one, sorry.

[Syrinx]

8. I think it can be done

I don't remember the ins and outs of it, legally, but I've heard of it being done lots of times, and I think it can still be done. Pretty sure, but I just don't know how it works.

[Skinner]

16. The Obama campaign cannot pay off Clinton's debts. But....

...Senator Obama can fund-raise for her.

[Kahuna]

25. Answer = Not yet. She needs to do a whole lot more than give

one (albeit great speech) to heal the damage she has done. Time will tell.