So I can criticize every VP Potential EXCEPT HRC?

[crankychatter]

Senator Obama must be the most believably gracious politician in history.

He's amazing and smart.

We've already spent the whole week pretty much, wondering what Clinton was up to... and today? She's receiving lavish praise.

Not so, the winner. Celebration was called "gloating." Praise was called "rubbing salt in the wounds." A great historical event was upstaged by petulance, derision and gamesmanship.

This has convinced me more than ever that racism is alive and well in America.

On my dead end, Ghetto Road.... there is a store that sells videos, sexual aids and crack pipes. On the reader board, in proud, bold letters it says "Congratulations, Barack Obama."

I'll get a photo I think, and learn how to post it in ALL my postings here, (if I don't get tombstoned for being a hardhead).

I'm not buying this HRC is the inevitable VP one iota.

I'm not submitting to demands that she not be criticized whatsoever.

I will never forget Tuesday, nor will I readily forgive her other improprieties during the campaign. I won't be posting about them... it IS WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.

Nevertheless... her VP advocates had better expect criticism.

You promote it... live with the fact that not everybody does.

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[gateley]

2. Lay off of Biden, if you know what's good for you!

:evilgrin:

[mcctatas]

44. Joe Biden is a dweeb...

:evilgrin: Actually, he's my second preference for veep, right behind this guy...

[gateley]

51. That's a great pic.

I've always REALLY liked Richardson. I'd prefer Biden for SOS, so Richardson as VP is fine with me! :hi:

[Bicoastal]

3. As a fellow Obama supporter, quit being a sore winner.

[bluedawg12]

29. I guess it wasn't about Obama winning- he won! it's about hounding HRC

at any and all levels - even if it is at the expense of party unity by keeping old wounds open?

Sure is revealing....

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Constructive well thought out and inciteful criticism is always allowed here.

Stupid flamebait divisive bullshit: not so much.

[Lex]

5. Just PM that to Skinner and see how that works out for you.

Deal?

[Elidor]

6. If anyone is going to be tombstoned for being a hardhead...

It's probably me.

[crankychatter]

11. thanks... I need a laugh today .... I think I'll volunteer to register voters at the Blues Fests

it needs to be a happy Summer her

[PylesMalfunction]

16. Heh!

:D

[Rosemary2205]

30. LOL

[Elidor]

46. I've always loved that sig graphic

Dance while you can! So true, and so cute.

[Rosemary2205]

49. Thanks

I was always physically awkward and never wanted to dance. I did a lot of sitting in the corner instead of making a fool of myself. Now I'm confined to a wheelchair and can't. If I had it to do again I'd be the fool, have my fun, and let the other's snicker if they must. -- an attitude I've adopted to life in general. :)

[Elidor]

50. I try to have that attitude

But it's hard. If you can't dance, you better sing! I'm a horrible singer, but when nobody's around, I'll belt it out. It feels good. My ex got me singing show tunes. My neighbors hear me singing songs from West Side Story and The Producers and they must think I'm nuts. But it's a happy kind of nuts. :)

[EFerrari]

34. LOL!

[cynatnite]

7. Four days left to get the hate out of your system n/t

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Why The Hell Would Someone Sell Crack Pipes?

They might as well just sell the crack...It's just as lethal...

[crankychatter]

22. Welcome to Urban America

I live in murderopolis

but I feel safer than I do in Peculiar, Missouri.

that place is dangerous

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. The Sale Of Drug Paraphernalia Is Illegal In Florida

Head shops, the favorite destination, of my youth were outlawed in the 70's.. No hard stuff but they sold bongs, power hitters, stones, and rolling papers...

[crankychatter]

28. yeah but it's a great place to buy trunkloads of unregistered fire-arms

and have a public gun battle

well, it's ok to shoot people if you're white

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. FL Has Some Of The Toughest Gun Laws In The Union

If you are caught with a gun in the commission of any crime it's a mandatory five years...

And in my hometown of Orlando the Chief Of Police is an African American



woman...


on edit- the city of Orlando has some of the most progressive anti-discrimnation laws regarding sexual orientation in the nation...And the mayor is a Dem...

[crankychatter]

36. Thanks for the update

I lived in Floribama and Georgida...

Historically Florida has had VERY "liberal" or illiberal if you prefer, gun control laws.

Didn't you all pass legislation a few years back authorizing lethal self defense and defense of property in public?

If I'm not mistaken, ya'all made it legal to shoot somebody for breaking into your car on the street. This was either by court decision or legislation.

Maybe you can tell me about that?

Northern Florida is the Deep South

[bvar22]

61. "Sale Of Drug Paraphernalia Is Illegal In Florida...

....but, IIRC, sale of hard alcohol at drive up windows is just peachy.

[JVS]

23. Because they can make money selling the pipes

[grantcart]

10. a rather stunning indifference to the timing of the moment

[dailykoff]

15. You mean her speech on Tuesday?

Stunning is an understatement.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. her victory speech?

People don't concede during victory speeches.

[dailykoff]

20. Losers don't give victory speeches.

Except, of course, in Hillaryland.

[grantcart]

25. I mean the OPs truculence in posting this thread at a time Senator Clniton

is giving a very difficult and gracious speech.

[crankychatter]

27. how many times did they replay Obama's speech Tuesday, eh?

They're replaying Clinton's speech non-stop on MSNBC right now.

get it?

It amazes me that White people never understand the evil they do...

and I'm quite White.

[grantcart]

35. They are replaying Clinton's concession speech which marks the handing over

of the Democratic Party over to new leadership. She accepts this new leadership and endorses it enthusiastically and it should be received that way.

That is how Senator is receiving it.

And so should you.

[crankychatter]

40. never get too happy... never get too sad

I SHOULD be a Buddhist

but I'm not

I think we're too happy

this is lemon in your tea

had to get it out... it's said... you know what to expect

promote Clinton for VP.... get MY opinion

it's my truth

[Cha]

52. No worries..I'll be right there

behind you.

The m$$m will continue doing what they do to make sure Obama doesn't get elected(I'm sure they've heard all the new changes he wants to make in our name) and we'll continue doing what we do to make sure he does.

I don't think Obama will have hilary on his ticket but, of course, there will be tons of threads on said subject AND the m$$$fm will insist it's the only way. NOT THIS TIME.

This is just the embryonic stage of the General and it's a little early for some to be donating $$ for paying down hilary's campaign debt.

[crankychatter]

53. thanks... I took everyone off ignore.... but they're so fucking combative

...especially with this using the DU rule regarding ending the Primary fight to justify giving her a special cloak...

to quell opposition to her VP selection... she gets a special category... unlike the other VP potentials

Where were these unity preachers... Tuesday night?

[Cha]

55. I will take them off

ignore on Wednesday June 11th when DU is behind our nominee, Barack Obama.

Wanna feel good? Watch this video of Obama at his Chicago campaign headquarters, yesterday, and let him tell you in his own words why we're on Team Obama.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6318457

Oh, and no special categories for hilary.

[seaglass]

56. You act as if it's a favor to take someone off ignore. I'm sure the

people you have on ignore couldn't care less.

[Cha]

59. It's not what they care about it's

just what is.

[The Night Owl]

42. MSNBC is evil for replaying Clinton's speech?

:rofl:

[crankychatter]

32. you're alright.... just think of it as a bad boil bursting

I won't let people shame me for saying OUCH, when they kick me in the balls

Tuesday was a kick in the balls...

That strategy has been going on for months...

I'm done being shamed and HRCs status as co-victor is all well and good... but while she's in the offing for VP... criticism of her should be permitted and not verboten

[BlooInBloo]

12. Obviously there's a difference between legitimate criticism....

and going out of one's way to criticize.

Like I criticize Obama's gay rights stuff, for example.

Everybody (worth caring about) recognizes the difference perfectly well.

[malik flavors]

13. Get over your silly hatred.

[JVS]

14. "videos, sexual aids and crack pipes."

if ever there was a place in need of hope and change!

[crankychatter]

19. I unignored everyone... jubilee and I got kicked in the nads this week

All I get... ALL I GET... is that fucking reader board

a snootful of REALITY

see?

I think I have a right and reason to be pissed off

[JVS]

21. I agree with you. Some here are outraged that there isn't enough praise for HRC

In reality they have no right to expect such praise.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

63. just curious

are you drinking?

You sound like you have a snootful of something and it isn't reality.


You have no right to be pissed off - Obama won.

Hillary conceded - She said it. She said she wants the democratic party to support the nominee.

She is big news today. "Tomorrow is another day"

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Today is not the day. This debate will still be around tomorrow and the next day...

[bluedawg12]

26. Apparently you never stopped- why stop now?

"I won't be posting about them... it IS WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE."

Now that's very funny...so it's not about Sen. Obama winning the primary, it's about negative HRC bias?

[helderheid]

33. Boy, you ARE cranky!

:hi: :P

[crankychatter]

37. ((((helderheid))))

huh nuh UH!!!

[QC]

38. In only three months, you have made yourself one of DU's foremost haters.

You have posted vastly more frothing, sputtering rage in those three months than most people here have posted in years. It really is an achievement, of a sort. Isn't that enough for you? Hasn't that gotten even some of it out of your system?

[polmaven]

67. Let's just let

the OP continue along the lines that he or she has been following, and carry through on the "threat" to not stop. Then we will all be rid of this particular hater.

[The Night Owl]

39. If you're going to try your hand at criticism, you should probably learn to write first.

Start by learning paragraphing. Then work on the other problems.

[Zavulon]

41. "I'm not submitting to demands that she not be criticized whatsoever."

YES! :applause:

[applegrove]

43. Both sides should be complimenting each other. Though constructive criticism is

always welcome as opposed to campaign criticism which is different. Good for you for leaving the campaign behind.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. All politicians should be criticized by the citizenry. It's called democracy.

As much as politicians enjoy thinking they're Gods and above criticism, they are hired to represent us, not be bosses that have to be coddled.

[ampad]

48. Thank you

Some people really need to put that into perspective. This is what happen with Bush and his cult following. Folks had the FBI called on them for making statements about Bush that were considered "unpatriotic" It's amazing to see some who call themselves democrats, liberals trying to push the "No bad words about Hillary" crap. People have a right to dissent because last time I checked these people are not fucking gods. I think those who cannot handle the criticism of their beloved candidates need to get with it. There is a difference between criticism and hate and even if someone does hate a politician who the hell cares; it's their right to hate whoever the hell they want.

[ampad]

47. You would think that if you have to be logged in

to the internet to get on DU that some folks would look up the word hate. I say that because it seems to be the new meme nowadays. If you criticize Hillary you hate her, really. Sounds a bit like if you don't support this war you don't support the troops. Some of you really need to think about that while you are throwing the word hate around because you don't like what someone says about Hillary. I think that if someone here truly said something hateful about her then there would be more than just a few post here and there calling someone hateful. So far I only see the few who tend to say that to most of us who do not sing her praises. Hate is a very powerful word and emotion and I don't see hate in this post. I do see someone who is frustrated and is venting. Really the hate meme is getting old much like that patriotic bull shit.

[crankychatter]

54. I ACCIDENTALLY BOOTED THIS THREAD UP... OP HERE - PLEASE LET IT SINK

I'm tired

please let it sink

I responded from my DU... not realizing it would pump this up to the main page again

sorry... I won't respond here again

[seaglass]

58. Can you be happy that Obama will be the star attraction at the convention and

from now until November?. And maybe for the next 4-8 years? Geez, nothing makes you Obama supporters happy.

[Maddy McCall]

57. If you want to continue your anti-Clinton nastiness after Wednesday...

you probably will get tombstoned.

[TahitiNut]

64. Senator Clinton should be treated no better nor worse than any other Democratic Senator.

Just as DUers critique Senator (Ben) Nelson, Senator Landrieu, Senator Feinstein, Senator Stabenow, Senator Schumer, or any other Democratic Senator or congressman, so should we critique Senator Clinton.

Senator Obama is now the "presumptive nominee" and there should be zero tolerance for any advocacy of non-support or (worse) support for opposing candidates.

[Genevieve]

66. Um, you're right.

"Senator Clinton should be treated no better nor worse than any other Democratic Senator."

[polmaven]

68. There is a BIG difference

between critique and bashing. When a poster has bashed from day one, damn right that poster should be called on it. There is also a BIG difference between advocating for another candidate and admiration for that person.

I also will assume you do not mean there is no room at all for constructive criticism of Senator Obama.

I will trust the mods, and especially to admins to know the differences when brought to their attention.

[fadedrose]

60. Your observations are right on

and your conclusions are the same as mine...

All this love and unity has no foundation .... oh, yeah, try hard to remember not to say anything nice about Obama. That wouldn't be fair.

The media is concerned with angry Clinton supporters. Many democrats who were for Obama are just as angry. Well, maybe not angry, perhaps we're just over-protective of him (just because we're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't some scheming going on).

I am upset because she blames male chauvinism for her loss - not her own mishandling of the campaign and things that came up during the campaign like Nafta, Kosovo, mishandling of the health care plan when Bill was president, her contributions and friendships with questionable corporate sources, etc., and the main liability - her vote on the war. Too much twisting and distorting of information.

Obama people need to vent, maybe peace will come after. I think we need reassurance that all is well, not flaming.

[Vattel]

62. that would be a cool photo n/t

(see, I didn't mention the RFK thing)

[donheld]

65. I can criticize any VP candidate I damn well please and so can you

It's a matter of opinion after all. We are here at DU, free to express our opinions.
I think Hillary would be a bad chose. Other's can thing she's the bestest choice ever.
I don't think Barack Obama is going to consult us here at DU before he makes his pick.