People please....

[1awake]

It's getting really sickening in here as of late. I honestly can't tell the difference between some of the comments being posted by Obama and Hillary people, and those you would find at free republic. Think about that alittle bit before you respond to this please. Both sides are guilty of it and I don't really care who started it, as if that even matters.

I hear people for Hillary saying how they won't vote, will vote for McCain, or will write in Hillary for the GE. Now stop and really think about this logic. All of you are well aware that any of those things mentioned above equals one less vote for the Democratic nominee, who with around a 99 percent chance will be Obama. One less vote equals an equivalent vote for McCain.. do the math. Will the things you believe you stand for, all the stances you have taken on issues in the past, will they be served best by President McCain or by President Obama. If your answer is McCain, then I guess Our talk is now over, and you know where on the net you need to go from here. If not, then you need to continue to consider what is the best thing for you to do for our country, even if it does not meet with your desires or expectations on all things.

I hear the Obama people saying good riddance to the Hillary people.. Take your things and go, we don't need you. Now stop and really think about this logic. Hillary Clinton may not have the delegates, may not have the supers, and in the end may not have the popular vote (if there is such a thing in primaries), but she has a massive following of people who are no different than any of us. Treating the Hillary supporters as we have does have consequences. Even if less than 10 percent of Hillary supporters chooses one of the three options I listed above, it will have severe ramifications for the Democratic party, make no mistake about it so please put down our group Kool-aid bottles and think. If your sitting their thinking.. Obama will crush McCain in the GE with no doubt!!1!!.. then your most likely an idiot so ignore everything I have written and continue with your fantasy. We will need every single Democrat and then some to beat McCain. He was chosen and backed because out of all the Repubs out there, he is the one they feel can peal away Democratic votes.. it sure wasn't because the right wing has any love for him.

I warn you all now.. unless we as Democrat's come together in some fashion, we will once again be looking in from the outside as yet another election slips away.


"When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself."
-- Wayne Dyer


~1awake

[dorktv]

1. I keep hearing "think of the alternative" well how about "think about how

lucky you are to vote for someone for XYZ reason."

How about that?

[1awake]

2. very true

but unfortunately you will be feeling lucky while you watch McCain be sworn in my friend.

[dorktv]

9. okay that was uncalled for...and yet more "Anybody but"

Why not speak of the positives of the candidate you DO want to win?

[1awake]

11. its very called for, I'm sorry.

And that is part of my point.. we should be speaking about the positives.

(if I offended you it wasn't intentional)

[dorktv]

14. Okay because it did in fact look as though you were saying

to me or to anyone else "you will cause our candidate to fail."

There are a lot of people out there who have concerns about Senator Obama-he has been very lucky overall with his media support, what do we do if that goes away? What do we do if his gaffes (and he has had them) become worse over time? How do we fix the problem of quite a few people not wanting to vote for someone with so thin of a resume?

Some of those people are Clinton supporters-and they have reasons to support her because they look at him and do not see someone who is whatever. Some cannot be cured indeed (you know which ones) and others have geniune reasons to be worried about him. Instead of saying "consider the alternative" how about trying rest those worries?

[1awake]

16. I think we are trying to say the same things here.

Its not.. to me at least.. "you will cause our candidate to fail". I do believe that if all democrats don't get behind whoever is the Nominee, we will fail. That's not the same thing. At this point, if it happens it will be our fault just as much, if not more so than those Hillary supporters willing to go to such lengths. We all share the glory.. we all share accountability in some way.

"Instead of saying "consider the alternative" how about trying rest those worries?"

Nicely put, and I 100% agree with it,

[dorktv]

18. well basically it is that the media is going to blame everything on the President for not fixing

everything five seconds after whoever wins wins...it is a moot point anyway.

[VolcanoJen]

21. Correction:

The media will only blame a Democratic President for not fixing everything five seconds after assuming the Presidency.

If McCain wins, the media will say, "Gosh, it's a tough job. But he's a Maverick and he's up to the challenge! Everything is going to be just fine! La-dee-dah-dee-dah." :-)

[Skittles]

3. they are all DISGUSTING

all the f***ing bots MAKE ME SICK

[still_one]

4. Most of not voting, voting for mccain, or writing in is coming from Clinton

supporters on this board

[1awake]

8. I'd agree with you

but how does that change the fact we all will need each other in the end if we want a chance of winning. It doesnt matter who said what or who started it.. we need to start finding a common ground or both sides will be lost. I am not a Doom and Gloom type of person, but every Democrat should know from experience what the GE is going to be like.

[still_one]

13. and I agree with you, but I have also reached the point if ANYONE

who calls him or herself a Democrat doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election, NO MATTER WHO IT IS, they obviously don't care about the issues, the country, or the party. For them it is some sort of a twisted ego game which I will not be part of

However, if we don't take back the executive branch because Democrats decided not to vote for the Democratic nominee, I'm through with the process

I was a kid in the 50's and 60's, went through the civil rights movement, a person's right to privacy, woman's rights, and all the other issues that so many people fought for, and died for, and if they throw away what took decades to realize, they are fools and we will all suffer the consequences

[Catherina]

5. Most Democrats ARE together and will come together just fine

I beg to differ that you hear any Obama supporters saying good riddance to Hillary people. The good riddance is to self-important asses who think they're bigger than this election.

Hillaryis44 asses with their Islamophobia and racism aren't the kind of people we need in the party. I doubt they were ever with the party to begin with; if they had been, they wouldn't have threads on supporting and voting for McCain. Good riddance to them. For every McCain Democrat we lose, there are several Independents, Greens and new voters we're gaining. The party's redefining itself and dumping dead weight. Never again do I want a Democratic Party where politicians can justify support for wars because SOME of the voters give them cover for it.

[marions ghost]

26. yes

there's a fine line between mending fences with the more flexible HRC supporters and pandering to the rigid types who would never give Obama or his supporters the time of day.

It's really up to HRC supporters who get the Big Picture to adjust and come on board. The "McCain Democrats" are not on our side and we should not waste time worrying about what they will do. They should go where they feel most comfortable. We can attract new voters who will take their place. Of course there is some risk, but a lot to be gained, in "dumping dead weight" as you put it. Obama has already proven the wisdom of this strategy. It's not an abstraction anymore.

Nothing to fear in these changes. In the wake of the most backward and destructive presidency ever to preside in this country, an 8-year fiasco--it is time to be brave and bold. We cannot afford to pander to HRC supporters who do not see Obama as a reasonable alternative. To those who do, I say, welcome, let's get busy and defeat McCain.

[DerekJ]

6. Another Nanny thread. This is the internet. On the net you're an Idea, a piece of information

not an actual person. Some will attack you (by which they're attacking your ideas) and some will defend you (by which they're defending those ideas)

[1awake]

10. why..

It's the internet.. I'm not responsible for what I say. please..

[VolcanoJen]

7. I'm in with the unity thing, when Hillary stops her "I'm Here To Insult Your Intelligence" campaign.

Many of us have had enough intelligence-insulting drama in the last eight years, and aren't really looking for four more years of being treated as though we are foolish, unwashed rubes.

I'm also more than a little bored with "warnings" from Hillary supporters. I certainly don't want you to go away, because you are DUers and we are a family and I actually do love you all, and have loved with all my heart since January of 2001.

I agree that we need to come together but it's going to be at a later date. Both sides are far too raw after these intense six months. That day will come, but it won't come tomorrow, or the next day, or the day after that.

But it will come. It will be a natural progression and I do think it will just happen. Probably once we all get a really good look at what McCain has in store for us.

[1awake]

12. Nice post

but I can do my part to.. urge it along some. :)

[VolcanoJen]

15. It's a waste of energy, to be frank.

Unity can't be forced or even coaxed. It happens (Congressional Midterms 2006) or it doesn't (Presidential Election vis-a-vis Nader in 2000).

I admire your sense of urgency and happen to agree with you that it would be better if this come-to-Jesus moment happened sooner rather than later. But it's not going to, because our nerves are too raw and frayed with every developing daily drama this campaign brings us. I'd certainly hoped this thing would have ended when it became clear who the winner of the contest was, but that didn't happen. It will, however, end on June 3rd, and we'll all have to take a deep breath and regroup. We're going to lose some people, that's for certain, and they may not come back in November. But we're also going to gain some new people, and some old friendships that have been broken will be renewed, all in due time.

I hope we will have enough time. That is my concern. But my gut tells me it's all going to be OK, despite the hand-wringing and worry. We've got a Republican "maverick" media-adored assclown who can't even vote for the GI Bill to beat, for chrissakes. :-)

Edited to add: And you know what? I know DUers. And DUers love kicking Republican ass. That's the source of my confidence. :patriot:

[1awake]

17. from your voic.. keyboard to God's ears!

[WA98296]

19. "When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself." So take your own advice

[1awake]

20. I have

and I am... maybe you should look alittle closer at what that quote really means.

[RiverStone]

22. We will not come together until there is only one...

Nominee.

I share your sentiments, but it will only get worse until it's over.

The good news?

We will come together just fine; our fight is almost done.

[ccharles000]

23. I agree.

[TexasObserver]

24. It's easiest if you simply judge the poster by his or her comments

Anyone can claim they're an Obama supporter, or a Clinton supporter, or an Edwards supporter who still isn't happy. It's easy and expectable that some people will misrepresent themselves. That's why you focus on what they say and what they're selling, not who they profess to be.

If I think someone is plying trouble, is trying to undermine our party, is trolling, I just stick them on ignore and keep reading the threads remaining. All these tombstones that pop up come long after I've already stuck those perps on ignore.

The easiest way to deal with troublemakers is to put them on ignore, which makes them disappear. They all have to start their max number of threads on GDP per day, so that also makes them stand out. Bottom line is I ditch them long before any official action is going to be considered due.

[Adelante]

25. Thank you for your well-thought out and kind-hearted OP

I think we will have unity once the nomination is settled. I don't expect a rational discussion until we have that reason to unify.

[frickaline]

27. K&R