Shame on all of you, really

[Rex_Goodheart]

Hillary was just trying to make the point that it's not all that unusual to have to choose a nominee close to convention time.

When did DU devolve into a slime pit?

Here's a bit of historical info for you, since you appear to be quite ignorant: Bobby Kennedy WAS assassinated in June 1968, leaving the Democratic Party primary race in a bit of a mess.

I'm voting for Obama, to be sure, but unfortunately I've come to learn that a lot of you are screeching rats.

[ShortnFiery]

1. Oh gee, right on time: Nanny Threads: Self-Righteous Indignation?

:eyes:

[mamalone]

30. "Nanny threads"

I've never heard that term.... but it is apt indeed:eyes:

[ampad]

34. Yup right on time

Rex did you submit a similar thread during bitter gate?

[BlooInBloo]

2. Nobody denies that it's TRUE that Clinton's path to the nomination is over Obama's dead body...

The only question is whether or not a candidate who would say that should be anywhere near the WH.

[Rex_Goodheart]

4. You're disgusting.

[ShortnFiery]

20. Why? I quote HRC, "We all know that Bobby Kennedy was assassination in June." Fucking VILE! n/t

She's justifying her campaign by SUGGESTING that Barack Obama be assassination. She has MENTIONED or INFERRED Bobby Kennedy's assassination FOUR (4x) in the past. This is NOT a slip of the tongue, this is VILE.

[Bluebear]

25. Your conjugation is messing up, time for a nap

[populistdriven]

50. Hillary is like a Rat Salivating Over a Dead Corpse

do rats salivate?

[mac2]

11. Now that is a desperate statement.

[BlooInBloo]

22. Yup. It is. It really, really is - just like the Governor of NY said.

[Midlodemocrat]

3. Hang on.

:popcorn:

Okay. Go.

[midnight]

5. I understand. Thanks for the clarification.

[Liberal Veteran]

6. Eee ee. Screech! eeeeee! Eee eek scree!

:D

[tekisui]

7. It so "not unusual" that she has to reference an assassination.

She could have made her point in dozens of different ways, she chose to bring up assassination. Why?

[Rex_Goodheart]

18. Because, obviously,

she wants somebody to kill him. :rolleyes:

You're disgusting.

[tekisui]

31. I didn't say that.

I want to know her motivation.

If you want my opinion, I'll tell you, before you get so disgusted.

I don't think she wishes harm on Obama. I don't even think she would like to benefit should harm come to him. That was not what she was saying.

She was sowing seeds of fear and doubt in the durability and electability of Obama. She is playing, still, to the superdelegates. That is all she has left. She is making the claim that something could happen, that perhaps she could outlast.

Again, I have never said that I think she wants any harm to befall Obama. Save your disgust, and tell me what you think her motivation in making such a bonehead inflammatory statement is.

[reflection]

40. self delete

Apparently I'm not as cooled off as I thought. Time to go outside.

[Marrah_G]

8. Right on ! again they are twisting her words to mean something they don't

[Name removed]

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[ReverendDeuce]

10. Spin, spin, spin go the RPHEs!

I can barely hang on to my chair due to the vibrations of a dozen RPHE keyboards being furiously pounded upon, feigning outrage over the outrage on the interwebs!

[sellitman]

12. Wrongo

She could of just mentioned the timing of the thing on its own. Once she threaded it with the assasination reference it changed everything.

You 28% ers are really amazing.

[Dancing bolt]

13. When Obama said the USA have 57 states, Hillary did not mock him

She knew he had made a simple mistake.

[Liberal Veteran]

19. To be fair, however, her supporters certainly did.

[Cheap_Trick]

26. no! say it isn't so!

surely Hillary supporters would NEVER do such a thing. They ALWAYS take the high road. That's why they can have their outrages without a touch of irony.








oh yeah, in case anyone needed it:
:sarcasm:

[backscatter712]

14. It's only the THIRD time she's done this...

She damned well should have known better.

Well, on the bright side, who can blame Obama now for not wanting her to be his Vice President?

[SoxFan]

17. Fourth

At a rally in Dover, NH, the woman who read the introduction referenced assasination. There's no way that speech wasn't reviewed and approved by the staff.

[backscatter712]

41. Fourth?!

She needs to get out!

[BlooInBloo]

55. Fifth, apparently - from a response in the Skinner post.

[SoxFan]

15. Bullshit

First of all, Hillary and/or her campaign has raised the specter of assasination no less than four times. That's just public references, since I can only imagine how many times it's been dredged up in private.

Second, she had no reason to mention 1968. There was a very tight race in 1984, under a system that was much closer to the one we are operating under today. She could have mentioned 1976, when Jimmy Carter had problems locking up the nomination while facing challenges from Mo Udall, Jerry Brown, Frank Church, and a draft HHH movement.

At best, Hillary is incapable of controlling her mouth during a tense situation, and thus has no business being our head of state. At worst, she is amorally cynical, willing to raise the possibility of her opponent's death as a way to justify her own overpwoering sense of entitlement.

Under either scenario, she has no business remaining in this race.

[Saturday]

16. Amen.nt

[Berry Cool]

21. Thank you for informing us of that bit of historical info. I was quite ignorant of it before.

Thank you for educating me, Rex.

You are right. You have soundly chastised me. I will now slink away into the darkness and never post again because I am so ashamed of myself, screeching rat that I am. You are ever so morally superior. I bow my head in the general direction of your superiority.

And OF COURSE I believe you will vote for Obama.

...No, wait. On second thought, I'll just let Keith Olbermann say it for me:

[Cheap_Trick]

23. DU "devolved into a slime pit" the day after Super Tuesday

the day Hillbots everywhere realized that the nomination WASN'T hers for the taking anymore, that she was no longer the "inevitable" nominee. That was the day Obama became public enemy #1 in the eyes of hillbots and it became a slime-o-rama.

She could have talked about the process continuing into June WITHOUT bringing RFK's assassination into it. That was a deliberate statement. I don't think it was a "threat". I think she was using the imagery to cast herself as some kind of martyr. You want to hear "screeching rats"? Try listeneing to your side sometime. It's no better, just in case you had some illusions that it was.

[AllentownJake]

24. Have you volunteered or are you just a "supporter"

How many people have you had to reassure Obama is safe to knocking on doors and making phone calls? Just curious?

[JVS]

27. She said she's staying in the race and one of the reasons is he might get killed.

We're supposed to be happy with this new metric of electability?

[still_one]

28. It was a stupid analogy for her to use. Why? There whole campaign lately

has been focused that something extra ordinary might happen to propel her into the White House.

Within that context bringing up the assasination of Robert Kennedy is as stupid as you can get.

This is not the first time she has said stupid things though.

When she indicated that she and mccain were qualified to be president, but Obama was just a speech, that not only was stupid, but it self-destructive to the party. What is mccains biggest issue with Obama? His lack of experience. Not that he would not have used that anyway, but to provide ammunition to the republican nominee does not show good judgement

When she implied that the angry white vote is her base, what is she trying to accomplish? Quite simply she is trying to divide the party on race. Talking issues is one thing, but using republican tactics against your Democratic opponent does not show good judgement

I could go on but this is just another pattern of behavior which demonstrates to me why Hillary is NOT qualified to be president.

She had everything going for her before this primary season started. A well established political machinery, money, and the Democratic party behind her

It is not sexism or the media why Senator Clinton is in the position she is in now, it is because of her actions

[Rex_Goodheart]

36. So, she says some things in words that displease you

Fair enough.

But it's gone way beyond that here. The frequent insinuation (where it's not outright declared) is that she was publicly hoping or calling for Obama's assassination. And those accusations are truly disgusting.

[still_one]

42. I never said that, but it should not surprise you with what has come out of both camps

and though I am bias, I must say most of the disgusting attacks seem to come out of the Clinton camp in my view

The Bobby Kennedy issue was not an attack, just an insensitive comment

[papapi]

43. You, Mr. Know-it-All, are truly disgusting me.

Please don't insult my intelligence AGAIN by suggesting that Hillary Clinton is not a empty shell who will stoop as low as she can go to gain the Democratic Party nomination. You're insults add gasoline to the bonfire - really.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6105244

[Rex_Goodheart]

53. As low as calling on somebody to kill Obama?

Or hoping publicly that somebody does it?

While we're at it, did she have Ron Brown killed?

You should apologize... seriously. Her words might have been ill-chosen, but your despicable slander has no place in this Party.

[weezy2736]

29. Bobby Kennedy is a part of this nation's psyche.

Same as his brother. Same as MLK. You don't bring it up. Never. Under any political circumstance.

They don't even show the video until you're in high school around where I live because of the implications of it. Not Dallas, not California.

It's important to know what happened, it's important to grow from your mistakes, but a good doctor always knows the tenderness of an old wound.

[saltpoint]

32. We could say that Senator Clinton is very tired after a tense and

protracted primary contest and that at this late stage she has been less editorial in her comments and more off-the-cuff than is politically expedient.

We could say that.

Or we could observe that the talk coming from the Clinton campaign generally after Feb. 5th load-em-up primaries has been reckless and ill-considered, whether from the lips of Sen. Clinton herself or from those of her tone-deaf surrogates.

The point in dispute is not which month Robert F. Kennedy lost his life. IMO the matter at hand is whether his lost life by assassination warrants context to justify Sen. Clinton's quite obviously hopeless quest for the presidency.

She's done for in all metrics and invokes the political assassination of Robert Kennedy -- in a week in which his brother was diagnosed with brain cancer -- as justification for her to battle on.

This life-long Democrat thought her remarks were irresponsible and, as many have pointed out here and elsewhere, decidedly un-presidential.

[TankLV]

33. Exactly...

I agree with everything except the voting for obama part - if he's the nominiee - I'm leaving that line BLANK...

I'll never vote repuke - but he's still unacceptable to me...and his idiot supporters only have themselves to blame...

[Rex_Goodheart]

38. To be fair, I don't believe that ALL of Obama's supporters

are as obviously stupid, disgusting, and easy-to-anger as are many on this board.

[papapi]

45. You insult me further, King_Goodheart

Please don't try to pander to me now that you've insulted my intelligence. It's unseemly.

[ampad]

35. Rex

Could you point me in the direction to a similar thread you wrote during bitter gate? thanks in advance.

[CaptJasHook]

37. Sorry Rex. Appeasment doesn't work on Hillary

I, too, wish that we didn't have to descend into the slime to deal with Hillary fanatics. Don't worry, the smart, reasonable and compassionate Clinton supporters generally stay away from GD/P. Their are occasional strays, and I feel sorry for them and apologize. But the Hillbots, the non-Democratic Party. Hillary or McCain fanatics, deserve everything they get here. This is Progressive Democratic turf and I am tired of yielding ground to their delusional arguments and Megalomaniacal candidate.

If you want peace and harmony, I suggest you stay our of GD/P for the next few weeks.

Peace to you

[bertha katzenengel]

39. "When did DU devolve into a slime pit?"

It happens frequently. Welcome to a forum that accepts diversity. Bah!

[cbc5g]

44. If she ran a decent campaign this wouldn't be as much of an issue

But she ran a trash and burn campaign against Obama, capitalizing on every gaffe he made. No forgiveness.

[tbyg52]

46. I know what point she was trying to make, and that RFK was assassinated

that doesn't make her remark any less stupid. That's my problem with it - it was *stupid*

[hokies4ever]

47. "Shame on you Barack Obama"

Nice to see you learned well from Hillary's talking points.

[Name removed]

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[slinkerwink]

49. It's the fucking wrong historical reference to use. It's never OK to cite an assassination as a

reason to stay in the race. There are many other historical references that explain the primary season that don't involve assassinations.

[Rex_Goodheart]

54. I don't know of any such rule.

Etiquette might require that the subject not be broached. Pragmatism might dictate something else.

But that's not the point.

For many here to insinuate that she publicly hopes Obama dead, or that she is inciting somebody to kill him (see disgusting papapi above) is WAY over the line.

[neverforget]

51. You're right. Some candidates have dropped out while one has been killed

in June. I'm sure she meant nothing by it.....:eyes:

[TheZug]

52. Shame, shame on me, not on Hillary.

Because there were no other, better examples of extended campaigns than 1968 when RFK was assassinated.

Because there was no way she could have spoken more carefully.

Because her mind was on the Kennedy family and Ted's illness, even back in March and April before she even knew about it.

Because her non-apology was really an apology.

Because there's no pattern of her surrogates saying "anything could happen."

Because HRC's supporters aren't excusing her remarks, or warning Obama supporters not to offend THEM.

Yes, shame on me.

[cliffordu]

56. That's MISTER screeching rat to you, fluffy.

[Jed Dilligan]

57. He was nominated in June 1968

If that's what she was talking about why did she say "assassinated"?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

58. "When did DU devolve into a slime pit?" where ya been? n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. I'd Say Screeching Rats Are More Tolerable.

The way some are acting here today makes them far more fit for other sites than here. Saddest part is that half of them don't realize how absolutely ignorant and disgusting they're being. I'm more ashamed of my fellow DU'ers now than I even was with the Fallwell aftermath.