The very fact that Sen. Clinton is attempting to bully her way onto the ticket,

[Occam Bandage]

despite being denied by Obama himself, is exactly why she cannot be the Vice President. The last thing that a successful White House needs is a VP constantly trying to go over the President's head. Add a loudmouthed glory-hog ex-President to the mix, and a Obama/Clinton ticket, even if successful in November, is certain to be unsuccessful from January onwards.

[havocmom]

1. Back in the early days of our Republic's history, the VP slot was given to 2nd place in the GE

THAT didn't work, for exactly the reasons one would guess, and it was changed.

We do not need to go back to a method which has already been shown to be faulty in the extreme.

[Occam Bandage]

2. The counterargument to that, of course, is Kennedy/Johnson and Reagan/Bush. The

difference, of course, is that both Johnson and Bush were able to defer to Kennedy and Reagan, while Clinton has not shown the remotest ability to do so. Had she run a different campaign, things may have turned out differently for her.

[nichomachus]

3. I'm not sure about that

There is a lot of evidence that Johnson was working against Kennedy -- some even connect him to the assassination -- and that Bush and his fascists were running their own operation while the brain-damaged Reagan dozed.

[MNDemNY]

7. That is quite true.

[truedelphi]

10. And some people connect the Bushies to the Hinckley assassination

The Bush Sr's were eating dinner with Hinckley's parents when the Reagan assassination attempt occurred
(or so the story is told)

[nichomachus]

12. Not quite

I think Neil Bush was supposed to dine with Hinckley's brother that evening -- and didn't. However, there were other connections between the Bushes and the Hinckleys.

There is also overwhelming evidence -- from the analysis of the tape of the incident -- that the shot that hit Reagan could not have been fired by Hinckley. Most likely Hinckley was just a patsy recruited by the people planning the hit, but even he believes he was the one who did it. Sort of like Sirhan Sirhan.

[Occam Bandage]

19. Please keep the tinfoil content on the low side of the scale.

I'd prefer this not go to the Dungeon.

[nichomachus]

33. Tinfoil? Screw you. These are facts and I'm sorry if they're inconvenient to you

I'm tired of bullshit artists pegging everything they can't deal with as tinfoil. Go fuck yourself -- please.

[Occam Bandage]

35. No. There are no facts posted. There is baseless opinion, founded on amateur analysis

of coincidences--that is to say, tinfoil. It really wouldn't change my life in the slightest if LBJ personally strangled JFK or if Reagan was gunned down by Martians and replaced with a robot; claims of "inability to handle the truth" are one of the more tiresome tinfoil strategies.

[nichomachus]

39. And then there are those

who come on web sites and screech and holler to support the "official and approved" government story on everything. These are the wacky "coincidence theorists" who want us to believe that the most incredible series of events just happens to occur by coincidence.

What they ask us to believe is like asking us to imagine that you could dump a bucket of golf balls down a marble staircase and have every ball line up on the fourth step.

[yellerpup]

4. I agree.

K&R :kick: This is a new tack for me, too. After PA I thought it was still possible, but now I'm just exhausted and angry. He can do better and we citizens deserve better.

[ampad]

5. Excellent point

I could see her going against him every step of the way and why not? She has gone against him during this entire process, why would things change? She said she is best for the job. Her determination to kill the party unless she wins tells me that she cannot be trusted as VP.

[BlooInBloo]

The argument against her really does write itself.

[Perry Logan]

6. Same to you, fella. Obama won't win anyway.

[Occam Bandage]

8. ...

[FredScuttle]

9. Well.....he's already won one thing

VICTORY

[truedelphi]

11. But bu-uht

Victory no longer counts. It is LOSING that counts.

She's lost the primaries, and the delegates, and she only claims to have won the popular vote,
so it is now on to the WH!!

[haymakeragain]

22. How's your McSame vote sitting in your gut?

I bet not so good.

[DevonRex]

34. Will you vote for Obama in November? That's all I want to know. nt

[indimuse]

13. What? A new MSM talking point... meme?

BULLY!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6krf18huA this is a BULLY!

[yourguide]

15. How did that rezko trial work out for you indimuse?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

17. Shockingly, it turns out that those of us who follow IL politics were right

that this would be confined to Blagojevich's circle, and those who didn't know a fucking thing but mouthed off about "Obama's ties to Rezko" were wrong.

[Occam Bandage]

16. ...yes. The new Clinton talking point is that she can force her way onto the ticket,

despite the wishes of the Democratic nominee. It is strongly implied that she is threatening to tear the party in two if she is not given what she wants. I think any reasonable person would call that "bullying."

[anigbrowl]

23. I have a new meme for you Indimuse...guess who's in court tomorrow

[indimuse]

14. LQQK!

another one!http://www.videospider.tv/Videos/Detail/3662885736.aspx

[yourguide]

21. REZKO CLINTON!!!

[indimuse]

18. Here's a BULLY Tactic! BO's Atty CRASHES Hillary's conference call! WTF??

http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/03/04/obama-general-counsel-crashes-clinton-press-call-on-voting-irregularities-in-texas/ OBAMA ATTY CRASHES HIL'S CONFERENCE CALL!!! RUDE!

[Occam Bandage]

20. Thanks for the totally off-topic kicks! What exactly does this have to do with the VP choice?

[americanstranger]

24. This whole Hillary losing thing is WAY under your skin, isn't it?

You sound positively unhinged. Your posts have literally stopped making any kind of sense.

Maybe you oughta log off and take a walk or something. You're gonna give yourself an aneurysm.

- as

[BenDavid]

25. Your assumption that obama will win without her does not bear

fruit.

The best play of the day was WJC when he began putting out the word that if hrc does not win the NOMINATION, she would be inclined to be seated as the VP on the ticket. Now that is good news. WHY? Because it just about quarantees the hrc supporters will stay with obama and clinton......Now, if for some reason the word gets out that obama does not want hrc as his vp, then those same hrc supporters that would stand with that ticket will bail on obama and more then the usual 35 to 42% will either vote for McCain are stay home in protest.....So, whatever way this shakes out WJC jsut checked and maybe mated obama....uh huh

[Occam Bandage]

26. You're just as wrong as you were when you said she'd win the nomination over and again,

and just as wrong as when you said Obama would lose 19 of 21 Super Tuesday states. Clinton supporters might feel like holding their breath for months now, but that's about as realistic as when any five-year-old says it. Back in reality, Clinton supporters are moving towards Obama day by day, and his polling numbers in the party and against McCain are already on the rise. By the convention, it'll be as if she had never run.

[sellitman]

27. You sound like a child.

Voting McSame is sell destructive and petulant. You aren't going to convince me large amounts of Hillary's supporters are that stupid.

[yourguide]

32. And you're almost as wrong as all of your racist posts n/t

[Tatiana]

28. The very fact that Sen. Clinton is attempting to bully her way onto the ticket,

shows that she believes Obama will be a winner.

She'd never attach herself to a losing ticket.

[TexasObserver]

29. Agreed. Even if she didn't have that windbag, blow hard husband, she's unacceptable.

The last thing a president can have is a VP who is undermining. That is plain nuts, and Hillary is a psycho with serious emotional problems.

[RainDog]

30. Latest polls show Hillary's negatives among voters is UP to 53%

recognizing that one fourth of her "reagan democratic" voters never vote for a democrat anyway, in states that don't vote for democrats, she would no doubt be a huuuuge drag on a ticket.

and I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but four days after Kennedy was assassinated, Johnson changed U.S. policy toward Vietnam. In Aug. of 1964, just months before his election, he created the false flag "gulf of tonkin" provocation to justify the horror that was Vietnam.

Kennedy, of course, wanted to tighten up the oil lease pork and open peace talks with the USSR. Robt. Kennedy was investigating the mafia, an organization that didn't exist according to J. Edgar Hoover, a cross-dressing homosexual who, according to a Frontline documentary, was blackmailed by the mob b/c they had a picture of him giving his boyfriend a blow job.

It's always dangerous to go up against the powers-that-be and equally dangerous to have one of their in-pocket pols as the person who takes over in the event of your death.

Not that that has anything to do with Hillary, of course.

[WA98296]

31. Exactly.

[grantcart]

36. She is the one that compared it to a job interview -

[MonkeyFunk]

37. Why do you guys believe every rumor

you hear, as long as it's negative about clinton? And then you reject every rumor that's negative about Obama.

It just doesnt make sense.

[suston96]

38. Bully? Who sez she is "bullying" her way onto the ticket? Got any quotes of her saying so? nt