Exit polls show Obama's problem w/white working class, yet Hillary is losing due to sexism?

[wndycty]

For Hillary's camp to push that she is losing because of sexism is blatantly offensive. Again, NO ONE DENIES that sexism exists and that there are some who oppose Hillary because she is a woman, but no more so than racism negatively impacts Obama. Both Clinton and Obama are having to confront bigotry, Hillary dealing with sexim, Obama dealing with racism. One candidate blames bigotry for her losing and one candidate is winning despite bigotry. That being said who do you think is more electable.

How does Hillary get away with blaming her defeat on sexism when exit polls are not showing people are not voting for Hillary because she is a woman, YET many exit polls (especially KY, PA and WV) are showing that working class whites are not voting for Obama. You see Hillary is seeking to EXPLOIT and blame sexism as the reason she is losing, yet Obama is trying to diminish the role of racism despite the fact he probably has a better argument that in this campaign he is more damaged by racism than Hillary is damaged by sexism.

I'm also beyond offended that while Hillary can scream sexism, we are constantly reminded by many pundits and politicians (including Jim Webb who I respect) that we should not interpret the exit poll results from KY, PA and WV as racism.

[Bread and Circus]

1. Well said

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[babylonsister]

2. She's grasping at straws; I hope she's in the last throes myself. nt

[hokies4ever]

15. She'll keep coming back as long as she can breathe

The supers might have to put the smack down on her all at once on the same day right after the last primary.

[wndycty]

17. I wouldn't be surprised to see some movement with the supers in the next week

:kick:

[C_U_L8R]

3. I haven't heard a single person imply they wouldn't vote for Hillary

BECAUSE she is a woman. Or anything remotely like that.
Most people I know don't like her because of her lying, deceiving and manipulating.
In fact, many hard core Hillary supporter friends gave up on her after the Bosnia bullshit.
They just couldn't bear to support a liar. They were disgusted... and embarrassed.

[MethuenProgressive]

4. Gee, why won't the people Obama insulted vote for him?

He calls them bitter uneducated anti-immigrant gun and bible clingers, and yet they don't fall to their knees and worship him? They must be racists!

[Yotun]

7. Well if you're so happy with the way things are why aren't you voting Republican?

What Obama said was correct and you know it- when things are tough we cling to our family, to our religion, to our ways, and become distrustful of others. You are just so blinded by hatred you are willing to distort his words.

[MethuenProgressive]

10. Because, unlike so many Obama followers, I'm a Democrat.

We like our political Party, and don't sneer at smalltown America.
The Obamacrats have made it clear they want nothing to do with our Party.

[FredScuttle]

18. But instead, you'll cast your lot with a race-baiting psychopath who insults minorities and

college-educated voters just to attract ignorant racists?

See, two can play that game

[wndycty]

19. Touche

:kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

20. The difference is, my friend, you see this as a "game,"

and that's unfortunate.

[FredScuttle]

21. No, your out-of-control candidate sees this as a "game"

The game of "I'm Going To Hold My Breath Until I'm Given My Rightful Nomination And No One's Gonna Stop Me!!!!"

Meanwhile, we're all losing....

[wndycty]

22. LOL

:kick: can a I get a recommend from somebody too? LOL

[Yotun]

5. How can Hillary lose due to sexism when the majority of voters are female? You'd expect her gender

would help her.

[wndycty]

14. Yeah, there are a ton of women choosing Obama of Hillary. . .he couldn't win w/o women. . .

. . .are these women sexist? Self-hating?

[The Magistrate]

6. The Cold And Unpleasant Fact, Sir

Is that, at the most basic level, this campaign is a trial of strength between two of the more deeply rooted prejudices in our culture, belief in the inferiority of women and the inferiority of Blacks.

[underpants]

8. When you are talking out of your ass sometimes the taste gets in the way

Great point. You can't cry sexism and at the same time decry how white males won't vote for your opponent and only vote for you.

[wndycty]

11. Amazing, isn't it?

:kick:

[ShortnFiery]

12. That's hubris! Like the man who killed his parents, then thew himself on "the mercy of the court"

with the claim that he now is "an orphan." :evilgrin:

[ShortnFiery]

9. No woman leader worth her salt would constantly complain about sexism. They just DON'T.

:(

[MethuenProgressive]

16. You've never heard of NOW?

http://www.now.org/
Click. Learn.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. but not white working class from Oregon?

[wndycty]

32. Oregon doesn't count

:sarcasm:

[Independent-Voter]

23. Obama's problems is largely just with ignorant, racist folks from Appalachia

[wndycty]

24. But he doesn't complain about it the way Hillary does sexism and it appears to hurt him. . .

. . .more than the sexism that Hillary is blaming, at least that I what figure based on the exits.

[Independent-Voter]

25. True - Veruca has been whining about EVERYTHING since getting her ass handed to her on Super Tuesday

"Does Barack need a pillow to sit on"

"I ALWAYS go first!"


I can't believe that people still support that shrew.

[wndycty]

26. Veruca? LOL

:kick:

[wndycty]

27. Afternoon kick

:kick:

[wndycty]

28. Friday kick

:kick:

[MonkeyFunk]

29. Do you have a quote

regarding Clinton saying she's losing because of sexism? I'd like to examine it and the context.

[wndycty]

30. Clinton blames press for "sexism"

http://www.salon.com/5things/2008/05/20/clinton_blames_press/index.html

...Clinton for the first time addressed what women have been talking about for months, what she refers to as the "sexist" treatment she has endured at the hands of the pundits, media and others. The lewd T-shirts. The man who shouted "Iron my shirt" at a campaign event. The references to her cleavage and her cackle.

"It's been deeply offensive to millions of women," Clinton said. "I believe this campaign has been a groundbreaker in a lot of ways. But it certainly has been challenging given some of the attitudes in the press, and I regret that, because I think it's been really not worthy of the seriousness of the campaign and the historical nature of the two candidacies we have here."

Later, when asked if she thinks this campaign has been racist, she says she does not. And she circles back to the sexism. "The manifestation of some of the sexism that has gone on in this campaign is somehow more respectable, or at least more accepted, and . . . there should be equal rejection of the sexism and the racism when it raises its ugly head," she said. "It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by the comments by people who are nothing but misogynists."

[MonkeyFunk]

31. so she rightly observed

there has been sexism.

Where's the quote saying "I'm losing because of sexism" as you implied she'd said?

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. For you to deny that sexism is a part of this campaign season is to avoid

reality. It may not be the only reason she is not ahead, but it certainly is a factor.

To deny it is simply stunning. And sad as it means that our daughters must continue to endure it.

You cite polls that suggest that there is no evidence that people are not voting for her because she is a woman...you are missing it.


She is minimized, and attacked, and given all sorts of negative characteristics, and people believe those and hate her. But those attacks and characteristics are founded in sexism. One of the reason she is treated with such disrespect by the media is due to sexism. She does the same thing Obama does and she is attacked while he is given a free pass.


It is so much more than "they don't vote for her because she is a woman." It is the treatment she receives, the way she is perceived, the characteristics she is given that all stem from sexism.

[wndycty]

35. Evidently reading comprehension wasn't one of your better subjects, from the OP:

"Again, NO ONE DENIES that sexism exists and that there are some who oppose Hillary because she is a woman, but no more so than racism negatively impacts Obama."

[Evergreen Emerald]

37. evidently, neither was yours

"For Hillary's camp to push that she is losing because of sexism is blatantly offensive."

"How does Hillary get away with blaming her defeat on sexism when exit polls are not showing people are not voting for Hillary because she is a woman..."

[dsc]

36. they don't ask so we don't know

Not one single poll has asked this question. Nor, incidently, do they ask black voters how many voted for him in part based on race.