Thom Hartmann is speaking out loudly for an Obama/Clinton ticket.

[onehandle]

He believes that Hillary is now running for Vice-President and that ticket would be a very strong ticket.

[ej510]

1. We do not always get what we want. Sorry Hillary!

[Mezzo]

4. as long as you know that applies to YOU as well.

[Radio_Lady]

7. Good! I'll try to listen to him later today. Thanks for the post, One Handle

[onehandle]

14. He was talked about it briefly in the first half hour.

He's been talking about it more and more lately.

[Radio_Lady]

16. Thanks for that... I've probably missed the first 1/2 hour of his program...

9 AM to 9:30 AM here in Portland.

Thanks anyway. He has been the most even-handed talk show host in this town or others.

Bravo, Thom.

For the record, read my position:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[Kittycat]

2. Shame hillary's message is about the same old politics and not change.

She's like mixing oil and water, just doesn't fit.

[NightWatcher]

3. I think she needs to start acting like a partner and not an opponent

the fact that the "kitchen sink" attacks have waned in the past few weeks, leads me to think that she is trying for the VP spot too

[ShortnFiery]

5. Today, Thom Hartmann is behaving like a meatball. eom

[AllexxisF1]

6. Well Tom Is Dead Wrong.

Hillary nothing but a liability.


She ran a DISGUSTING campaign and Obama does not owe her shit.


SHE LOST which mean you get NOTHING.

[Radio_Lady]

13. HOW many millions of people have now voted for her?

She won all those people over... and could bring them along with her to a Unity Ticket.

The last line of your post is so illogical all I can do is :rofl:

[rox63]

17. Losing means she gets a prime speaking slot at the convention

Nothing more.

[high density]

35. I don't buy this argument at all

People vote for a president, not for a VP. Clinton should already "bring them along" whether she is on the ticket or not. These are Democrats, right? What you are insinuating is that these votes will be held hostage unless the demands of Clinton, the loser, are met. She is already setting this crap up with her Bush-league "I'm a uniter not a divider"-style of campaigning.

I fail to see how an Obama/Clinton ticket is so much better than an Obama/???? ticket, given the obvious negatives Clinton brings and the absolute sellout that Obama would be to do such a thing. Republicans will be motivated to vote against Clinton and Obama's core supporters will wonder what sort of "change" bullshit he was selling them.

[sandnsea]

37. The people who will vote for Obama anyway

They aren't the ones we need to win. The ones we need to win, she'll drive away in hoards. And the ones who want change, will be horrified at Clinton as VP, like me. She is not who you think she is. She does not serve our interests at all. She is for the global corporate elite. Free trade will continue unabated. Bullying foreign policy just like we had with Iraq in the 90's. Quasi-environmentalism. Social program assistance in the form of tax cuts that only benefit the upperr 25%. Chipping away at traditional Dem values. And lie after lie after lie. Doesn't it bother you that she blathers on about letting the people vote - when she knows the only way she can win is with the vote of the super delegates. Stop with this woman. She is not worthy of your respect.

[eleny]

18. Lawrence O'Donnell made a comment last night on MSNBC

He said that she won't be VP because you don't pair an inexperienced senator with an inexperienced senator. So we can look for a name like Wesley Clark to surface since Jim Webb has taken his name out of the mix.

I don't always agree with O'D, but his thoughts on this are plausible. And all along DUers have thought a VP with military experience makes sense to round out the ticket.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Wes Clark? No fucking way! He's a total spring butt for all things CLINTON. eom

[high density]

36. He could become a spring butt for all things Obama

He did a great job helping Democrats in 2006, and he is still doing that now even with his (unfortunate) link to Clinton.

[ShortnFiery]

46. Clark is not near as respected as Ret General Anthony Zinni. I don't trust him. eom

[Cosmocat]

54. I am a big Wes Clark guy ...

He has loytalty to the Clintons and he supported them in this endevor ...

I have NO doubt if BO were to call on him to be his VP, that Wes Clark would not answer that call 100 percent ... Wes is a strong democratic voice ...

I have no clue if BO is/would consider him, not speculating on that, just that IF BO did, the General would answer the call and be 100 percent loyal to BO and would be a very strong asset ...

[eleny]

40. I agree but O'D has a point about pairing inexperienced senators

And it's been discussed that the VP may have to be someone close to Hillary or one who she highly approves.

I may not like it, but it's politics. As the saying goes - you don't want to watch how sausage or politics is made.

[griffi94]

44. hahahaha

i've pointed this out a couple of times already, but here it goes again. whatever hillary gets or doesn't get won't be up to the obama supporters on an internet forum.
i love the "she lost...she gets nothing" posts from the more enthusiastic obama supporters.
the fact is she'll come out of this with a lot more power in the democratic party than some of you want to admit. obama can't win without her supporters. should he win he's going to need all the support from all democrats, including the blue dogs in order to accomplish anything. there will no doubt be democrats that want to stick it to her, but that's not politically feasible. she can publicly support him while privately knifing him in the back. he's obviously smart enough to know this. for all of you who really really really want to see the clintons get crushed, imo you're going to be really really really disappointed.

[datopbanana]

8. He might be right :/

[WA98296]

9. Thom IS wrong. He is SMARTER than that. He must think it's going to be FORCED

And that many of us will NOT vote for her on any ticket.

[onehandle]

19. That's not even close to what he's saying. He says good things about her often.

Go ahead. Don't vote.

President McCain appreciates your support.

[musicblind]

21. I hope you don't mean you.

because the people who get mad at the Clinton supporters who are idiot enough to say they wont vote in the fall if Obama is on the ticket have no place to get mad if they too claim they will be idiot enough to not vote in the fall if Clinton is on the ticket as VP.

[democracy1st]

38. Thom's having one of those brain losses like he had with Kucinich

[rsmith6621]

10. I Thought Thom Was A Person Of Reason

........Seems like he has lost it for the time being.....We just need to say NO TO HILLARY she is irrelevant.

[ShortnFiery]

23. There are substantive rumors that Hartmann is Ex-CIA. He continues to deny a conspiracy

for the JFK assassination.

I dunno, like "Ex-KGB" is there such and entity as "Ex-CIA?"

[cali]

39. oh for fuck's sake. trust you

to come up with a rumor with no foundation to smear someone you disagree with.


Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is his vp?

[babylonsister]

11. She's wearing people down. nt

[anigbrowl]

12. Zzzz.

[Mimosa]

15. Who's Thom Hartmann and why should I care what he wants?

Who's Thom Hartmann and why should I care what he wants?

[onehandle]

24. He's one of our top Liberal Radio Hosts.

And I wonder why you haven't heard of him. New to liberal politics?

[Goblinmonger]

31. Some of us live in areas

where we would love to hear liberal radio hosts but can't (I know, catch the streaming on the Internet, but that isn't always plausible). Instead we get to choose between Rush, O'Reily, Medved, Druge, and plenty more conservative dicks.

[onehandle]

34. Believe me. I understand. I live in the home of Neil Boortz.

Air America Radio survived for about a year here.

Now I listen to Satellite radio and online.

[Mimosa]

55. Not new: I don't listen to talk radio

I don't label myself anything, politically.

But I don't listen to talk radio, either. It's BORING. LOL

[ElsewheresDaughter]

29. a new liberal are we?

[AtomicKitten]

20. Hillary is the antithesis of Obama's campaign theme of change.

There is no way in hell he would compromise that winning theme. How do I know that? He's demonstrated he's smarter than that and will not be held captive by old school politics.

Boxer dismissed the idea of the party forcing Clinton on the ticket as vice president as a way to bridge the divide.

"Barack Obama will pick whoever he wants," Boxer said. "That's a very important choice for the president. If he is the nominee, then he is going to choose his running mate. And no one really can tell him who it ought to be."

The decision, she said, will be based on how Obama views the vice presidency and the role it would play in his administration, and what would strengthen his chances in the election, among many other factors.

"The last thing I'd ever do is tell someone who I think would be the best choice, because that is really something that is the nominee's choice," Boxer said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/16/MNIQ10NRE8.DTL

[rucky]

22. He's ahead of the curve on this...

it's the only scenario both sides could come around to accepting.

[ShortnFiery]

25. It's not only BUNK reasoning, it's also a prescription for disaster.

:thumbsdown:

[rucky]

30. That's already been prescribed.

Now we need something for the side-effects.

I don't like compromising with unreasonable people, either, but we have nothing to gain by going thermonuclear on someone for holding our stuffed animal hostage.

[ShortnFiery]

52. Putting Bill and Hill on the ticket would be like Obama adopting "The Menendez Brothers"

Not a good idea. :nuke:

[WA98296]

33. Prescription for disaster -- that is it exactly!

Hey Thom...WTF? I thought you were a Progressive. Don't do shit like this, it makes YOU look bad.

[LisaM]

26. He also just had a guest who referred to Hillary as the Queen of Appalachia

I was frankly shocked by that remark. It's not useful.

A commentator on NPR this morning noted that Hillary has won 500,000 more votes than Obama since March 1st (not sure why he chose that date) and won 5 out of the last 7 primaries. Are you willing to throw away all the support she's garnered? It's close to 50% of the Democratic support, not to mention that I heard yeterday (it was an ad for the Nation on Air America) that two-thirds of the Republican and Independent vote has actually been for Obama, not Hillary, meaning that her base includes a lot of longtime party members.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. rut roh...here comes the O bus!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. This Is A Easy Question

If she can hold and deliver (most of) her base which consists of working class white voters, Latinos, and older voters it's a no brainer...If she can't Senator Obama should look elsewhere...

[olkaz]

41. I love Thom, but he is completely wrong on this.

Thom is a peacemaker. He is a benevolent influence on the party and on the world. The "dream ticket" makes the most sense in that regard, and I can respect that.

But for those of us that are realists, we know it's not an option.

[City Lights]

42. I have a lot of respect for Thom, but on this we disagree.

Her baggage will be a drag on the ticket whether she's at the top or bottom of a ticket. Obama represents the future; Clinton represents the past.

[thewiseguy]

43. Extremely bad ticket.

[WA98296]

45. WHO has taken over Thom's mic? I say imposter!

[ShortnFiery]

47. Rumors are that Hartmann is former CIA.

FWIW ... hum?

[ecstatic]

48. uggh... did Clinton have another secret conference call? Why are all her

surrogates bombarding us with this?

[Lucky 13]

49. Speaking loudly won't help her get her way either.

As Barbara Boxer, good friend of Hillary, said today, IT'S BARACK'S choice who his running mate is. And no one will force him to do any different.

And besides, we don't want that has-been, worn-out, gutter-dwelling, manipulative, Republican-in-Democrat's-clothing liar bringing down our ticket.

[senseandsensibility]

50. Well, as much as I respect Thom

I can't agree with him here. He's far more intelligent than I am, but sometimes pure intelligence is not politically savvy.

[dflprincess]

51. Some may call it a dream ticket

but for those of us who aren't especially fond of either Obama or Clinton it's a nightmare. Voting this November will be painful enough, but I was hoping we might at least get an actual Democrat in the veep slot.

(And, I've always wondered why someone would give up a Senate seat to be vice president that makes no sense to me at all.)

[Larkspur]

53. She blew her chances of being VP when she went the Tonya Harding route

Hillary would be a drag on Obama. He needs someone who will compliment him, not try to steal the spotlight from him and that is what Hillary will do if she is the VP.

[Radio_Lady]

56. Threads like this make me despair that we will reach any agreement anytime soon.

I'll wait for developments.

Hope everyone's in a much better mood soon.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady