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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:31 AM
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TPM Cafe: Should Cindy McCain's Brain Damage Be a Campaign Issue?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:03 AM by oldpol
Should Cindy McCain's Brain Damage Be A Campaign Issue?

I don't know whether Americans care if a First Lady is mentally disabled - that's a question for McCain's pollsters.
What I want to know is why McCain would even subject his poor wife to the rigors of a presidential campaign and worldwide scrutiny in the first place. The question speaks directly to McCain's personal cruelty and unbridled ambition.

Although the true extent of the brain damage has not been publicly disclosed, Cindy McCain's 2004 stroke is not a secret.

In a very flattering September 2007 interview. Paul Alexander wrote about the stroke damage:

"In conversation, she will occasionally have trouble remembering certain facts, especially from the recent past, and if you look closely you realize she cannot make her right hand into a complete fist, which has affected her handwriting, if not her ability to grasp a knob. "It's not bad," she says, describing the damage to her hand. "I can function. I have short-term memory loss. I can remember all the major details of my life, but I sometimes can't remember what happened last week."

I suspect that John McCain, viewed his wife's stroke more in terms of how it would affect his bid for the presidency than else.

From a January 2005 Larry King show:

"MCCAIN: I was the one at home that everyone came to to program their computers, fix their phones, do anything electrical, technical, anything on the computer. I can't get near it now. I'm overwhelmed by it.

And it's weird for me. And I might also say, I suffer from migraines also. And your last caller that called in -- and I just had an episode about a week and a half ago, where I didn't know, I thought I was having another stroke. It was a different kind of...

KING: Has the senator been very sympathetic?

MCCAIN: Yes. And I -- please don't -- let me explain that. He was very confused in the beginning. He didn't -- like everyone in the family, how could it happen to my wife? I'm 18 years older than she is. It doesn't happen to someone that's younger than you are. So on his behalf, I think he's trying to understand all this. It's a lot for him to take in."

In October 2007, Cindy McCain was hobbling around South Carolina as the result of a fall down in a Phoenix grocery store. Was her fall caused by her brain damage? Is the question any of our business?

Inevitably, the issue of the extent of Cindy McCain's brain damage will enter the public arena. So far, Mrs McCain has only had to field softballs lobbed at her by sympathetic journalists. Can the McCain campaign limit her public appearances to three-minute soundbites until November? I don' think so, not in today's political environment.

Some wag is bound to suggest a debate between Michelle and Cindy. And the jokes and parodies are bound to get a lot meaner from there.

Why, Senator McCain, would you do this to your wife?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/should-cindy-mccains-brain-dam.php
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:33 AM
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1. Isn't she awfully young to have had a stroke?
How scary.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:35 AM
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2. I hate to say it, but the stroke was probably because of the drug abuse
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:36 AM by oldpol
do we really want this kind of example as our first lady?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:35 AM
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3. Not really. Anyone can have a stroke at just about any adult age.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:41 AM
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14. JR Richard had a stroke
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:43 AM by AngryAmish
He was 30.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:35 AM
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4. Well, if that was a legitimate enough question of ask of John Edward's wife
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:36 AM by rocknation
I guess it's legitimate enough to ask of Jon McCain's.

:headbang:
rocknation
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:36 AM
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5. How old is Cindy?
I guess all that elective surgery really is not good for the body. I would hope that people would not go there with medical issues though.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:38 AM
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7. I'll go there, would the DEA cut a joe-blo a break if they were caught stealing meds from kids?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:38 AM by oldpol
and 3rd world poor children to boot! She's definitely 1st in line if the rethugs go after Michelle
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:41 AM
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13. She's 53, and looks her age.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:36 AM
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6. No way. Attacks on wives are way way off limits.
I'm no fan of the McCains, but I don't base our ethics on what Republicans do. If we go after his wife, we can't call them out for going after Michelle.

Shame on any DUer who seriously suggests this is a legitimate campaign issue. If that's how you feel, you just don't get the point of the Obama campaign.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:39 AM
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10. Makes you wonder how John McCain can live with a woman and have no clue though.
It certainly points to a lack of awareness on his part.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:39 AM
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11. Obama has warned them once-- 'lay off my wife'
so he has plenty of room to respond if they go for another low blow
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:41 AM
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12. Agreed. I Too Immediately Thought Of Lincoln's Wife nt
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:39 AM
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8. I seriously dislike McCain, but I hate this shit even worse.
This innocent, "Can I talk about this subject?" is pure bullshit.

No, you shouldn't talk about it, but if you're going to bring it up, show some spine and hit it head on.

That article was nauseating.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:42 AM
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16. having a former drug addict who stole painkillers from poor children as 1st lady is nauseating, IMO
I'd like to see a government investigation into that whole affair back in 1993 although the state of limitations is probably run
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:47 AM
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19. I am not defending Cindy McCain (though I never heard that story before).
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:03 AM by Buzz Clik
I am CONDEMNING that article and it's passive-aggressive, absence-of-balls approach.

Say it or don't say it.

EDIT: I deleted an incorrect attribution of the comments given in the OP.
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:00 AM
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22. It was NOT Josh Marshall
Just a random poster on the site.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:02 AM
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24. You're correct. I clicked the link. Why did the OP put Marshall's name in the title of this thread?
I'm editing my post with apologies.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:04 AM
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25. corrected
n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:05 AM
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27. It changes the entire thrust and impact of this thread.
I really don't care if some bug-eyed poster on TPM goes ga-ga about Cindy McCain.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:39 AM
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9. Though I wouldn't go there, a message should be sent as a warning
to the hatred and lies they are prepared to use concerning Michelle
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:42 AM
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15. Personally I think it is tacky.
JMO.

Does it really serve any purpose to stoop this low? Let the CONS do it, they'll get what they deserve.

I believe the vast majority of Americans don't want this kind of politics. It will boomerang.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:44 AM
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17. I think its an effective 'warning shot' to the rethugs aross the bow
You mess with Michelle and Cindy McCain's closet of secrets blows wide open.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:55 AM
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20. Yeah maybe once, but then let it go.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:46 AM
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18. The health issues of a candidate's spouse should not be used as campaign fodder.
Period.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:58 AM
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21. Issues surrounding her health should be off-limits.
However, her drug abuse is a salient question, IMO. Would the pressures of the White House cause her to relapse? And, if so, how much of a distraction would this be the President and his ability to perform his job?

I found Marshall's article and approach to be tasteless.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:02 AM
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23. I wonder how many strings McCain had to pull to get his wife off from serving jail time
no wonder the people don't believe their public officials anymore
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:05 AM
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26. My reaction is "Lay off the wives." Both of them.
There's no comparison between the enormous admiration I feel for Michelle Obama and the repulsion I feel for her uber-rich, drug-stealing counterpart, ( opiates for the Mrs: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1994-09-08/news/opiate-for-the-mrs/ )

but neither are running for the highest office, and neither are in line to take over, either. I don't think we can have it both ways. As much as I feel Michelle Obama would bring ten times the class and activism of the right kinds to the role of WH First Lady, if we despise the attacks on her political speech, efforts to ridicule/demonize Cindy McCain on the basis of some past health event/deficit not in her control whatsoever would repulse many Americans and backfire with absolute certainty.

Make in issue of her stroke? BAD idea. Just MHO.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:07 AM
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28. what kind of a message does that send to children?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:09 AM by oldpol
abuse drugs, steal from a childrens charity, call in favors from your senator husband/go to Betty Ford and then come back and act like nothing happened!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:17 AM
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30. Separate issues.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:20 AM by chill_wind
I'm responding to the OP on trying to create campaign fodder out of her stroke.

As for trying to link the two things-- past history of drug use and the actual cause of her stroke-- which none of us will ever be privy to her medical records--- that's a futile, if not totally specious, effort and would go absolutely nowhere in a G.E. political campaign.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:12 AM
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29. "if not her ability to grasp a knob"
Poor McCain :rofl:
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:20 AM
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31. I have a feeling Cindy hasn't 'grasped the knob' in some time...
John McCain's temper is well documented. He's called opponents and colleagues "shitheads," "assholes" and in at least one case "a fucking jerk."...

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html
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