Clintons Court Kentucky (pics)

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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., is hugged by her husband, former President Bill Clinton as he introduces her during a campaign rally in Louisville, Ky. Monday, May 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)




Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., is introduced by her husband, former President Bill Clinton during a campaign rally at Transylvania University in Lexington, Ky., Monday, May 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/James Crisp)




Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and former President Bill Clinton sign autographs after a campaign rally at Transylvania University in Lexington, Ky., Monday, May 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/James Crisp)

[SoonerPride]

1. That alliteration is, um, right on target.

Right outta the ballpark on that one.

[Upton]

2. Hillary Clinton Queen of Appalachia

boy that's something to be proud of.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

3. Actually it is. Appalachia is full of wonderful people, who love

their families, work hard, and have honest opinions just like the rest of the world. Many people in Appalachia often put up with unbelievable hardship and yet they work hard to achieve the same things the rest of us wish for ourselves and our families. A good life. Maybe not YOUR life, but decent people do not deserve to be denigrated because you don't like their choice in a primary.

You are a perfect example of an Obamamaniac.

[democrattotheend]

10. This person is not "a perfect example of an Obamaniac"

I'm an Obamaniac and I admittedly have not spent much time in Appalachia, but I went to WV last weekend to campaign for Obama and while I found it to be a bit of a culture shock, I went with an open mind and appreciated the opportunity to experience a different part of the country and learn something new. I thought West Virginia was beautiful and most of the people seemed warm and caring, even though I did not get great vibes for my candidate.

Don't tar us all with the same brush. There are obnoxious people on both sides.

[skipos]

13. Yes, and it is also full of idiots and assholes

just like every other state. I know because I have family there. I have to say, MI is far far far from a utopia, but has nowhere near the level of bigotry and ignorance I have encountered in Kentucky. I have a lifetime of disturbing stories about that place. Alas, I wouldn't be a big KY fan even if Biden (my fave candidate) got 100% of the vote there.

[bigtree]

18. what a crock to define a state by the 'stories' you can tell

I've had many experiences with assholes in my own state, but they don't define an entire population any more than your own 'stories' define the people of Kentucky. To suggest otherwise is simply bigotry. It's amazing how disconnected folks can become from their own prejudices as they stretch to criticize others for theirs.

[Name removed]

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[bigtree]

52. because you know well what this line of argument means. It's a way to put the Clinton voters down

. . . who happen to live in Kentucky, as some Obama supporters did with West Virginia. It's no use acting as if you are removed from that nonsense because you just chimed right in with your divisive bigotry about the state being "full of idiots and assholes." Your words.

And your own gratuitous slap at me as well. Inspiring.

[skipos]

80. Good Lord. Every statement you make has nothing to do with my post.

Get some new glasses or find someone else to pick a fight with.

"you know well what this line of argument means. It's a way to put the Clinton voters down"

Nowhere in my post do I put Clinton voters down. While I think Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate and a mediocre human being, I have no interest in belittling a state she won or saying they "don't count" (even though that is what she and her surrogates do to Obama). I am sure CA, WV or whatever are full of fine people and not so fine people. I am sure states Obama won are have plenty of the same. So what? I wasn't even talking about them in my post.

"chimed right in with your divisive bigotry about the state being 'full of idiots and assholes.'"

Did you read the statement right after that, or are you playing dumb on purpose? Here it is again...

"just like every other state."

Jesus, you should work for Fox News. Full of idiots and assholes JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER STATE. Can you wrap your little noggin around that statement? KY, like every other state, has the good and the bad. Stay with me here. Then I go on to give a personal anecdote..

"I have to say, MI is far far far from a utopia, but has nowhere near the level of bigotry and ignorance I have encountered in Kentucky. I have a lifetime of disturbing stories about that place."

Still no reference to Clinton. Stay with me, you can do it!

"Alas, I wouldn't be a big KY fan even if Biden (my fave candidate) got 100% of the vote there."

See? I am not a big fan of KY NO MATTER WHO WINS IT! If Obama wins it GREAT! If Hillary wins it GREAT! I can admit that plenty of people like both candidates, for good and bad reasons.

There, I have explained about every single line in my original post, not that you deserve the attention. Reply to me or not, I am done.

Oh, and fuck you and your bigot comment.

[bigtree]

82. all that hollering at me but you said one state was nowhere near the level of bigotry and ignorance

. . .of what you've encountered in Kentucky. That was the conclusion of your statement in response to the one stating that it's 'full of wonderful people'. You wanted to make the point that there's something different about the people of Kentucky because of your personal experiences there. I disputed that and said, correctly, that the view was bigoted. I don't know you, so I wouldn't have the temerity to call you bigoted, but the drift of your argument certainly was.

Now you're backtracking. Good. I don't see any need for Kentucky voters who happen to favor Hillary Clinton being labeled IN ANY WAY like the voters of WVA were here following her victory there. That's what this forum is about, this primary. That's what we're doing here, despite your protests that your comments were removed from any judgment about Hillary Clinton. That's what this thread is about. If you aren't taking the opportunity to denigrate Kentucky residents as a reflection on her support there, why even bother to chime in?

[cbc5g]

57. appalachian people are very nice!

unless you are black, foreign, or talk, dress and act differently. I go to a university in appalachia. I know firsthand the racism that occurs. There really are a lot of racists there in the local towns around where i go (im on break now i live in northern va). It's soft racism. It's weariness and unfriendliness to those that are different. If you are black, cops will automatically think you possibly are dealing drugs or stealing and they will treat you differently then white people. There *is* white privilege in Appalachia. Maybe the term racism should be replaced with nativism, I dont know but they just don't trust you if you aren't from there. Even I get talked to or treated differently just because I dont have the accent or dailect since im from northern virginia.

[bigtree]

79. The mistake is in defining the voters there any differently from the rest of the country

It makes no difference what race, ethnicity, or religious base there may be, there is still widespread misunderstanding between and among individuals which is not restricted to Appalachia. It's interesting that you've represented the folks there as antagonists without any regard to how they, themselves, might be treated elsewhere because of their own heritage, custom, belief, or affiliation.

[MrsT]

85. I hear you about Kentucky

I have some bad stories there as well. Louisville is one of my favorite towns though!

[skipos]

89. Don't let the OP hear you say that

He will call you a bigot. Kentucky only has loving, understanding, open-minded people living in it, DO NOT SAY OTHERWISE.

Louisville is cool.

[bigtree]

4. I love the Appalachias

What foolishness to begin the same ignorant mocking of a state the characterized the bulk of the Obama camp's approach to West Virginia. It blows my mind that the elitist put-downs and mocking about education and income was done in supposed opposition to the bigotry of some individuals quoted there.

[theHandpuppet]

88. bigtree, this one's for you

Thank you for your compassion and for your giving nature. And for those who would mock others who they feel are beneath them, be they poor or uneducated or as one poster on this forum so put it, "culturally inferior", this poem is for you. It was written by a distant cousin of mine and a fellow Appalachian.

WATCH YOURSELF GO BY

JUST STAND ASIDE and watch yourself go by;
Think of yourself as “he” instead of “I”.
Note, closely as in other men you note,
The bag-kneed trousers and the seedy coat.
Pick flaws, find fault, forget the man is you,
And try to make your estimate ring true.
Confront yourself and look you in the eye—
JUST STAND ASIDE and watch yourself go by.

Interpret all your motives just as though
You looked on one whose aims you did not know.
Let undisguised contempt surge through you when
You see you shrink, O commonest of men!
Despise your cowardice, condemn whate’er
You note a falseness in you anywhere.
Defend not one defect that shames your eye—
JUST STAND ASIDE and watch yourself go by.

AND THEN, with eyes unveiled to what you loathe,
To sins that with sweet charity you’d clothe,
Back to your self-walled tenement you’ll go
With tolerance for all who dwell below.
The fault of others then will dwarf and shrink,
Love’s chain grow stronger by one mighty link,
When you, with “he” as substitute for “I,”
Have stood aside and WATCHED YOURSELF GO BY.

Strickland Gillilan.

[theHandpuppet]

5. Screw you and the bigot wagon you rode in on

Some of you folks and your blatant snobbery make the calls for unity and hope sound more like the mantra for hypocrisy.

[AZ Criminal JD]

7. I'll take Queen of Appalachia over patron of the San Francisco elites

Anytime.

[PBS Poll-435]

9. You and me both!

[mystieus]

15. Queen of Appalachia has over $100 million... don't fall for the Hillary narrative.

[PBS Poll-435]

17. Does She? Damn...I thought the Obama Folk were able to do math....

Guess I was wrong.

[mystieus]

20. The Clinton's made $109 million in the eight years since Bill Clinton left office.

http://www.mgwashington.com/index.php/2008electionblog/blog_index/clintons-millions/957/

[PBS Poll-435]

22. They Sure Did! And paid roughly 35 million in taxes and gave 11 million in charitable contributions

I thought you guys could do math!

[mystieus]

25. Before taxes you clown. Charitable contributions was actually to their own organization.

[PBS Poll-435]

26. Wow....Huh?

So they "HAVE" the money that they actually don't have?

Huh?

Clown?

Either they have it or don't.

Never forget Greensburg!

[mystieus]

28. In respect to Obama 4.2 million.. The Clinton's 109 millions puts this elite title in perspective.

[PBS Poll-435]

29. 4.2 Million when?

Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?

Doesn't seem like it...


Greensburg.

[mystieus]

34. #20

[PBS Poll-435]

36. I was asking about Obama. When did he make 4.2 Mil? One Year?

The Clintons have had 2 best selling books in the last 8 years.

Bill Clinton is a highly sought public speaker.

Seriously...

[mystieus]

38. Go to the link in post #20 and read.

[PBS Poll-435]

42. No thanks. I have scoured over the tax returns. Nice and Clean...

[mystieus]

45. Who said anything about taxes? other than you at first, lol

[PBS Poll-435]

47. LOL!!! I know where their money comes from, and I know where it is going.

Seriously...are you acting like this on purpose?


You said they had 100+ million bucks!!!

Where is it?

Buried in Greensburg?

[mystieus]

48. In debt. but hey, this campaign season will make one hack of a book deal.

We already know some in her campaign are already looking into it. ;)

[PBS Poll-435]

50. Can't even be consistant...

Seriously...

What do you really have to add to the conversation?

[mystieus]

53. I'm not making political points, I've listed facts which you wont read, Its very telling about you

[PBS Poll-435]

54. I read your link.

What does it say?

Not a whole lot.

Defend your statement that the Clintons have 10000K in the bank!

[gabby garcia]

71. the made for tv movie will probably..

be just as painful to watch as the reality of now.

who will play hillary and bill i wonder?

[Mimosa]

41. Clintons paid roughly 35 million in taxes and gave 11 million in charitable contributions

We should all be FAIR to the Clintons. Their foundation is doing laudable projects to fight AIDS and poverty in several nations.

[PBS Poll-435]

46. Well....Two different foundations.

The Clinton Family Foundation helps NY & AR charities and non-profits.

The WJC Foundation is more global in its reach.

[Mimosa]

51. Thanks for the info: the Clintons ARE helping people nationally and globally

prodn2000, thanks for that info. ~smile~

[mystieus]

55. Are you happy about Obama's charitable contributions as well?

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58. All 4-6%?

We can do better.

[mystieus]

59. He's not worth $109 million.

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63. And either are the Clintons....Have you not learned anything tonight?

[mystieus]

66. They made $109 million before taxes, so yes, that's how we count peoples worth in america. sorry

[PBS Poll-435]

68. Really? Really? We count people's worth on money they don't have?

Really?

[mystieus]

70. You're clueless. but I'm almost at 600 post. continue, lol

[PBS Poll-435]

72. I am clueless? Net worth is determined by money that you don't have (and have paid in taxes?)

Really?

Where?

[Beacool]

67. Oh yeah, "bittergate".

The gift that kept on giving in PA, boy were those people "bitter" about his comments. We almost sent his campaign office a thank you note.

:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

11. Just what is *your* problem with Appalachia?

[Beacool]

65. Elitist much?

Or just simply a bigot?

:shrug:

[Straight Shooter]

77. Something to be proud of.

Damn straight it's something to be proud of. Just ask Dolly Parton.

[democrattotheend]

6. Awww, those are nice pictures of them together

Are they dancing in the last two?

[PBS Poll-435]

12. They certainly warm my heart.

:thumbsup:

[PBS Poll-435]

8. Wow! You have done it this time....

Thanks bigtree!

K&R!!!

[FARAFIELD]

14. She can have Kentucky

Except for the distillery, wont vote DEM anyhow. Put that together with Texas, TN, Arkansas and Oklahoma and she won five states that (electorally) wont mean doodle.

[PBS Poll-435]

16. Way to completely **** on a otherwise nice thread.

Jaysuz!

And Arkansas?

DEMOCRATIC STATE

Check the congressional delegation...

[bigtree]

19. It means a great deal for the folks she's encouraging to participate in this round of politics

. . . organizing under the Democratic banner. That's how we work to make these states' voters reliably Democratic.

[PBS Poll-435]

21. I agree.

When I think about the people who politics didn't matter before...

Regardless of your views, this year has brought so much courage to so many people.

[theHandpuppet]

56. Thank you, bigtree

As always, a voice of reason.

:yourock:

[papapi]

23. Who cares. She's finished. Kaput. Done. Over. Toast. Washed-up.

[PBS Poll-435]

24. Nice!

I lurve the politics of hope, change, the future, and "new politics!"

[democrattotheend]

35. Bigtree does these nice photo threads for both candidates.

Is it really necessary to piss on one?

Didn't Obama encourage us to be nice to Clinton supporters?

[Auntie Bush]

27. Thanks bigtree

I love those pictures of Bill and Hillary. They are absolutely charming!

[PBS Poll-435]

31. I love seeing them together like that!

Great people.

[DesEtoiles]

30. Why isn't Hillary in Oregon?

[democrattotheend]

32. She was there on Friday

But she cancelled her Saturday events and went to KY instead. Not sure why.

[PBS Poll-435]

33. Kentucky State Fair!

Cotton candy and such...

:eyes:

2 for one special!

Obama wins OR by 14, Clinton wins by 28!

(Nearly the same amount of delegates in each tomorrow... Clinton wins 50% more delegates tomorrow!)

[bigtree]

37. because she's in Kentucky

Hillary Clinton on the High Road in Oregon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6009305


Hillary Clinton Flying Against the Wind in Oregon and South Dakota
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5898512

[DesEtoiles]

86. how funny! all the responses are "Ignored"

[BlueJac]

39. Were the fuck is her friend Karl Rove........she can kiss my Blue Ass

[DesEtoiles]

87. Rove and Scaife - Hillary's new BFFs -did hell freeze over? We are through the looking glass.

[grantcart]

40. k and r

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44. Sigh....

Thank You.

Seriously.

[Mimosa]

49. All states have good people in them

I've never liked the concept of red states vs blue states. I don't like triangulation or wedge issues or Americans pitting ourselves against other Americans. I liked Obama's message when I first heard it. I also respect the Clintons when they do right, even though I personally support Obama.

I'll be glad when the primaries are OVER.

I like this photo and wish the Clintons health and happiness:

[theHandpuppet]

62. Thank you mimosa

It's folks such as yourself who fuel my faith that we can all strive for a better future.

[bigtree]

60. This rally is on CSPAN right now -- 12:19 am et

[PBS Poll-435]

61. Thanks a lot! Such Class.

She is fantastic.

[Beacool]

64. Thanks, Bigtree!!!!!!!

Lovely photos!!!!

[tishaLA]

69. I love the first one

and the one near the bottom, with Sen Clinton about to hug Pres Clinton is very nice also.

[hokies4ever]

73. I'm calling BS on Hillary's popular vote claim

Somebody needs to do it. She is being openly dishonest to her supporters who cheer her as she makes up facts.

[PBS Poll-435]

76. :-(

[bigtree]

83. Ha!

You're responding to photos of the Clintons being affectionate. What a joke to try and stir something up here.

Start your own thread.

[Beacool]

74. This is why I support her.

For this story and the many more I have seen and heard over the years.

Win or lose, like the NYC firefighters stated in their endorsement:

She's our hero........

After taking the stage in Sioux Falls, one of the first things Sen. Hillary Clinton did was introduce the crowd to one of her 'biggest' supporters - Ryan Moore, a 21-year-old University of South Dakota junior, who stands 3-feet-10-inches tall.

When he was 7 years old, Moore's family traveled to Washington to testify before Congress. He caught Clinton's eye, and during her speech, she picked him up, and used his family's situation as a real example that the country needs a health care overhaul.



Fourteen years later, they're still friends

"She's just so compassionate about kids, health care, making sure everyone's taken care of," Moore says.

Moore says he knows Clinton is in a tough spot right now, trailing Barack Obama in delegates. But Moore, for one, hopes she keeps fighting.

"She's never forgotten about our family, and I think that's an attribute she'd take in as president," he says.

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75. That is a huge reason that I support her too.

She is real. Genuine.

[Beacool]

78. These people who hate her don't know her.

I've heard stories from many people who she has helped, quietly with no fanfare or publicity. It is a damn shame that we are about to throw away a woman who would be a great president if given the opportunity.

Well, our loss......

[PBS Poll-435]

81. A huge opportunity.

:pals:

[MrsT]

84. Go Lexington!

Some of my old stomping grounds!

[SeaLyons]

90. Thanks, Bigtree......Go Hillary!!

K&R
:kick:

[Bucky]

91. I love that first photo especially. They are a pair of love birds.