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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:57 PM
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Bottom line: Hillary is getting the Zell Miller voter.... and that voter will vote Repuke anyway...

We're going to win in November because of our increased registration of "true" Democrats.


The Zell Miller Democrat that is voting for Hillary right now.... would not be a Hillary voter if she was running against a Republican.

They're preferences are McCain, then Hillary, then Obama. This makes it look like Hillary has a big advantage over Obama with these voters.... but in reality, she's their second choice - and they will be voting GOP in the GE no matter who we nominate...

....unless we nominate Zell.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:58 PM
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1. Ding ding ding!! And she's sounding more like Zell every day. nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:13 PM
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3. Zellary Rodham Clinton
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:14 PM by SoCalDem
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:10 PM
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2. That's one high bar you're setting
You are willing to concede all Hillary primary voters to McCain, and undertake to replace all of them with new registrants? That's one huge voter registration drive.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:16 PM
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4. No... 75% of Hillary voters will vote for Obama... the other 25% will vote for McCain or stay home.
....and Bob Barr will take 5% of McCain's voters away.


So.... we'll make up the 25% Hillary "dead-enders" with increased registration, a good-sized amount of Repuke crossovers... and Bob Barr's ironic help.
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:41 AM
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9. No need....
The smart Hillary supporters will vote for the Democratic candidate in the GE.
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:17 PM
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5. To be fair
Without Zell Miller's endorsement, Jim Marshall might have lost his seat a few years ago. Zell endorsed him in 2004. I still think what he did at the convention in 2004 was disgraceful, the same for his endorsements of Perdue, but his endorsement helped Marshall avoid what could have been a loss.

Marshall now represents our best chance of taking back the GA governor's mansion. I have every reason to believe that many of these voters would support Clinton, because she talks their language. Many of them did in fact support her husband.

This being said, having an ideological purity is not what the party is supposed to be about. We are the coalition, the Republicans are the monolith.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:17 PM
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6. That's what I've been saying too.
In November, when it's D vs R, the R will win, even if Hilary WERE the candidate.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:18 PM
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7. It could have been so much different.
The Clintons could have campaigned for the Dem nominee and helped to overcome the racist shit spewed by GOP controlled media like CNN and FOX, but no, they rolled around in the heart of darkness and spewed the same shit. Really, really disgusting.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:19 PM
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8. I was thinking the same thing. nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:42 AM
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10. and yet Zell Miller
was very conservative. Hillary's a liberal - at least as liberal as Obama.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:47 AM
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11. The Clinton's are centrist and proud of it
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:08 AM
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13. Actually...
Edited on Wed May-14-08 02:09 AM by mcctatas
(and I can't believe I'm doing this), she is still pretty high on the list ranking Senators according to how liberal they are. She has ranged from a #8 to #34 and is currently #16 with a score of 82.8%. Not a screaming pinko like Barack (up from #10in 2006 to #1 in 2007 with a score of 95.5%), but pretty far from the center....

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

I have just defended Hillary and it didn't even make me cry! Who knew???
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:01 AM
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12. I don't think this is quite the case in WV
Edited on Wed May-14-08 02:09 AM by last_texas_dem
I wouldn't argue that Clinton's strength (at least in comparison to Obama) in WV is reason enough that she *must* be our nominee, by any means... but, judging from the polls in WV I don't think it's quite the case that all of these Clinton primary voters would automatically go to McCain in the general election. Just compare the head-to-heads for Clinton vs. McCain and Obama vs. McCain in the state. There are a sizeable number of sort-of Democrats in the state who will automatically vote for McCain over Obama but would also vote for Clinton over McCain. Now, personally, I don't think anyone who would vote for McCain should be allowed to call themself a Democrat, and your "Zell Miller Democrat" description is spot-on- since Zell Miller is essentially a Democrat in name only. I just think that, judging from the polls, there are indeed voters who would support Clinton in the GE over McCain but not Obama. Some of them it's due to perceiving Obama as "too liberal" (how Obama is substantially more liberal than Clinton I'm not sure, but oh well...), some it's due to racism, many it's due to buying into bullshit about Obama being unpatriotic or a covert Muslim or whatever, but I think these voters most definitely exist.
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