Knock off this gender/race shit.

[HEyHEY]

By fueling the fire on the race and genders of the candidates and discussing any comments made regarding either, you people are helping the repubs. It makes it look like you'll be too busy squabbling over what is politically correct instead of running the country. That plays right into the hands of the GOP. You are looking childish. So, I'm going to forever completely ignore comments made about someone's race or what not when it comes to this election. If someone talk about divisiveness just ignore them. Don't perpetuate it.

[LaurenG]

1. Kick!!!

Rec!!! :kick: :kick: :kick:

[BlooInBloo]

2. YES! Hide The Thing That Must Not Be Talked About!!! Hide it at ANY cost!!!

[Name removed]

6. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Pamela Troy]

8. We're not "retards," thank you, and the racial divisiveness is already there.

Pointing out it exists is important.

[HEyHEY]

17. why?

[Pamela Troy]

18. Because over a hundred years of overt racism doesn't vanish in two

decades.

Because racists count on people being too timid to point it out when it occurs and too squeamish to talk about it.

Because anyone who thinks racism is no longer an issue hasn't been paying attention.

[HEyHEY]

20. I'm talking about the racism when it comes to making a big deal

Out of whether some black leaders took too much flak for not supporting Obama and that shit.

[Pamela Troy]

24. If you have a specific instance in mind you need to cite it.

Don't make a generalized statement and then call people names when they disagree with it.

Now are you complaining about a specific instance where racism was invoked, or are you complaining about any reference to either racism or sexism aimed at the two Democratic candidates?

[BlooInBloo]

9. Oh - I agree that racism IS manufactured. No doubt about THAT.

[HEyHEY]

10. I said "This" racism, Fuck, are you dumb.

[Pamela Troy]

12. No, we're not "dumb." We just disagree with you.

You do understand the difference, right?

[HEyHEY]

15. When you don't properly address the OP - you're dumb

When you try to suggest I'm saying racism doesn't exist.. it is so far from what the point is that you'd have to be dumb to be that far off base.

[Pamela Troy]

16. Sorry, but I've heard this old "Oh-don't-TALK-about-it" approach

since the 1960s in Louisiana. I'm not dumb.

I'm experienced.

[HEyHEY]

22. WHY is it worth talking about....

Whether black leaders should be saying this or that.. or that they're assholes for not saying something and all that? It's not worth it.

[Pamela Troy]

26. What specifically are you talking about here?

[HEyHEY]

31. If you, for instance, look at the GDP forum

THere's a shitload of posts about "Black leaders" and what they've said and done. People are saying that is dividing the black community. I don't believe we should be making an issue over why black people are supporting Obama. It is the business of any person why they support a candidate. And all we can do is present issues other than race and gender and hope the truly important stuff gets through. The more we squabble about who should be supporting who, the less we talk about things that matter.

[Pamela Troy]

33. First of all, I think racism and sexism ARE important issues.

Second, exactly where in your OP are we supposed to figure out that you're talking about that one specific case?

[OneSelf]

88. Retards?

Please be a little more considerate next time.

[racaulk]

106. Exactly.

[HEyHEY]

117. yeah, I am sorry abou that - occasionally I get carried away.

[Phillycat]

120. To the point where you yourself use derogatory terminology?

No wonder you'll ignore others' use of it...

[HEyHEY]

124. hey, I apologized. I can't do more

Just wasn't thinking.

[BlooInBloo]

138. :) If it were up to me, nobody's response to me would ever be deleted....

But of course, it's not up to me.

[Pamela Troy]

3. Riiiiiggght. If we just ignore racism, it'll go away!

I mean, just ignoring racists worked sooooo well in the American south didn't it?

[HEyHEY]

5. I'm not suggesting we ignore racism, numbnuts

I'm saying that this is NOT a race issue, but is being turned INTO one, hence that itself is where the true RACISM lies. Exploiting the race of the candidate to further your candidate? That's racism. ANd I shall forever now ignore it and not engage in it and allow it to move forward.

[Pamela Troy]

7. So pointing out the overtly racist response from some voters to Obama

turns the campaign INTO a race issue?

Sorry, but the recent Washington Post story about the reaction some Obama campaigners are getting indicates that it's ALREADY a race issue. Sticking your head in the sand is not going to change this.

And calling someone "numbnuts" does not convince.

[HEyHEY]

13. Keep it up. That thinking has allowed it to be a race issue

Let's just talk about the race issue the whole time and forget about the real issues. That's a great idea.

[Pamela Troy]

14. It's already a race issue.

And yes, racism is a "real issue."

[HEyHEY]

19. this isn't about "racism"

It's about a black guy running for office. You've made it about racism by being obtuse enough to perpetuate bullshit from a small minority of jackasses looking to derail the campaign.

[Pamela Troy]

28. Unfortunately, it's not that small a minority.

I should think the people who make it "about racism" are the ones throwing the "N" word around and vandalizing Obama headquarters in Vincennes.

[AndyA]

4. You need to look at the reality of the situation.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's going to go away. It is an issue, like it or not.

There are a lot of voters who will not vote for a woman or a black man. Period.

Yes, it's wrong. But that does not change facts. Gender and race should never be a consideration in the election process, but it will be to a great many, and for that reason alone we've made it easier for the GOP to win this one.

Throw in a little voter ID disenfranchisement and a dash of election fraud, and you've got John and Cindy in the White House come January 2009.

[goclark]

11. I'm with you, I only respond to post such as yours

All others are just flame bait that doesn't get punished.

I refuse to participate.

[TexasObserver]

21. Are you always so adamant about controlling the discussions of others?

Here's a more progressive idea: Why don't YOU exercise adult responsibility and use Hide Thread to rid your screen of things that upset you?

[HEyHEY]

23. Are you always such a hypocrite?

[TexasObserver]

30. I'm not a hypocrite. Commenting on inane threads is something I often do.

Like I said, with your tender sensibilities, why do you put yourself through the anguish of worrying for everyone?!

I get it. You CARE, you really, really CARE.

Nice. Now move along and use all that angst to fret over someone else's thoughts.

[HEyHEY]

38. You are a hypocrite you lambaste me for "Controlling discussion"

which is exactly what you have done by posting what you did. And no, I don't really care. I live in Canada and am only trying to point out to asswipes like you what the rest of the world sees.

[Pamela Troy]

39. Does name-calling make you feel smart and strong?

[HEyHEY]

43. Honestly, after years of DUing,...

I'm just so sick of wasting time trying to explain things that simply refering to an asswipe as an asswipe is all I feel the need to do.

[Pamela Troy]

45. Honestly, after twenty years of posting online political opinion, I've learned

that people in discussion threads who resort to calling people "numbnuts," "asswipes," "retards," etc. do it because they aren't very good at explaining themselves and they know it.

[HEyHEY]

49. Lady, I can explain till the cows come home.

I'm a professional journalist I get paid to explain. And not for some jerkwater publication either.

[Pamela Troy]

51. No, obviously you can't. Otherwise you would.

[HEyHEY]

58. Sorry you can't grasp simple concepts. Sorry there are no pictures.

[Pamela Troy]

62. It's simple-MINDED concepts I have a problem with. They tend to lack logic.

[HEyHEY]

66. The simple minded part is bowing down to the will of crappy pundits

Who make you think things that don't matter, do matter. Then you end up throwing the real issues to the side and concentrating on shit that doesn't really matter. Hence, all political debate becomes void because nothing being talked about can actually be dealt with. Meanwhile the war goes on, the impoverished get no health care, and a bunch of old, rich white men get richer. All because you felt it was necessary to talk about something a black guy said about why he was supporting Hillary even though he's black.

[Pamela Troy]

73. That's not what I've been talking about.

For a self-proclaimed "professional journalist," your OP is badly written to the point of incoherence. You posted a generalized complaint about discussions of Gender/Race as factors in the presidential campaign. Now, several messages later, you plainly have something specific in mind that we readers were supposed to divine (presumably through telepathy) by reading your post.

I sure hope those high-profile venues who carry your stuff have good editors.

[HEyHEY]

76. I just assumed everyone here was versed enough in what's been going on

Some are, as you can see by the fact there are people who agree with me. You should read more.

[Pamela Troy]

79. I am well versed in what is going on. I know, for instance, that overtly

racist anti-Obama rhetoric is on the rise both offline and online. That is the context in which I read your post.

Don't blame me for your inability to write.

[HEyHEY]

82. I don't have such an inability

If you didn't get it fine. But, don't go assuming that everything I do is like that. I was sitting here drinking a coffee and decided to make a mention of that particular thing that has been bugging me. You and that douche from Texas are the ones who got all uppity about it, such as your snarky initial response. Did you see me get rude with people who were civil from the get go? Nope.

[Pamela Troy]

85. Coffee eh?

Maybe you should cut down.

[TexasObserver]

53. ha!

Sure you are. That's why you have two sentences with one period:

"I'm a professional journalist I get paid to explain."

Got any more good jokes?

[HEyHEY]

57. There's plenty of people on this board that can vouche for me

The fact there's grammar errors and such in my posts should indicate just how little I care about your opinions.

[Pamela Troy]

60. But can they teach you to spell "vouch?"

[HEyHEY]

63. Oops, habit of being Canadian - anything with a "Ch" on the end

Makes me automatically put an E there.

[TexasObserver]

68. the word is "vouch," not "vouche"

Thanks for a laugh, Mr. Pulitzer. I believe you!!

Ha ha!

[HEyHEY]

71. read my above explanation

[TexasObserver]

52. You're wrong. Only in backwards world is challenging a censor considered hypocritical.

It's clear that you don't read or process information well, so I'll leave you to your meds.

If you don't like seeing my comments, you know how to avoid them.

Now run along and use your obsessive compulsive disorder to shriek about someone else.

[HEyHEY]

69. It's my thread, why do you keep telling me to run along - you run along

I'm not being a censor, I brought up a concept. There's a difference. Again, sorry there are no pictures.

[TexasObserver]

75. It's not your thread. It's a thread you started.

There's part of your problem. You think you have special rights for a thread you started.

I say "run along," because that's what I tell children who become annoying with whiny comments.

[HEyHEY]

78. WOOF WOOF!

[Lilith Velkor]

25. Issues went out the door with Edwards

All we have left is identity politics.

Can you blame me for wondering if helping the Repubs was the plan all along?

[Dinger]

27. It's Too Late

Wish it wasn't.

[EFerrari]

29. Your OP fails to consider those of us for whom those issues are important.

Some of us don't have the luxury of ignoring those issues in our daily lives.

I'm not going to stop caring about an issue because you deride it as "politically correct" even though that right wing expression was deployed to quash discussion.

If, on the other hand, you mean we should try to ignore stupid flame bait, that's something else altogether and I agree with that. There are plenty of other things we could be talking about like the MS 1st District race or the likely VP or how much support McSame isn't getting and what that means in swing states.

[Catherine Vincent]

32. No. I think Americans needs to discuss this gender/race shit, as you call it.

We have to communicate.

[HEyHEY]

40. But, are we communicating about what matters? Or about what bored pundits say matters?

[graycem]

34. Do you think

our discussions on DU are actually affecting the race? Wow, who knew we had such power. :P

This is a discussion board and the things being discussed are worthy of discussion. And I doubt seriously that CNN/FOX news or either camps headquarters are lurking around here, using what we say against either candidate.

[HEyHEY]

37. I didn't mean just DU - I meant in general

[graycem]

41. Well, I think

it sounds like that's what you meant, and probably explains the responses you're getting. Not being a wiseass but maybe you should reword a little. Just a thought. :shrug:

[HEyHEY]

47. meh

Maybe they'll find this post

[eleny]

35. It was a mistake to take you out of my Ignore list

Back you go. Walk the plank--> http://www.mediacollege.com/downloads/sound-effects/water/splash-01.wav

[HEyHEY]

36. I'd be hurt if I knew who the fuck you were, or gave a shit

[malta blue]

44. Why would anyone have YOU on ignore?

:hi:

[HEyHEY]

48. I know! I'm so cuddly when I'm not namecalling!

;-)

[Pamela Troy]

56. That'll change after you hit puberty.

[TexasObserver]

46. I know that feeling.

It's true. I don't care for threads which attempt to lecture others on the things they should or should not discuss. Some people don't understand the concept of allowing everyone to talk about whatever they wish, and CHOOSING to engage oneself only in those conversations he or she finds interesting.

Can you imagine walking into a large room and immediately trying to make sure no one in that room is having a conversation YOU find objectionable?

I can imagine doing what I always do, which is to find a conversation of my liking, and get into it. Sometimes that conversation is to challenge people who find free speech objectionable, who think it's their job in life to be a conversation nanny.

Like little 3 pound dogs that bark a lot, they are amusing.

[HEyHEY]

50. Again with the hypocrisy! You're fucking thick, aren't you?

[Pamela Troy]

54. How old are you?

[HEyHEY]

61. Old enough to know better, young enough to do it anyway

[Pamela Troy]

64. A teenager. I thought so.

If not, I suggest you drink a tall glass of water and take a couple of aspirin before you pass out. Hangovers are a bitch.

[Bake]

89. Perhaps if you'd been around here a little longer, you'd know who HeyHey is

And have a little respect.

Frankly, you're just being obtuse. I had no problem comprehending the OP, and I doubt you did either. You just want to argue.

The truth is, there were already many significant, critical, crucial issues in this campaign WITHOUT ripping the scab off the race issue: THE WAR. THE WAR. THE WAR. Did I mention THE WAR? The sorry state of the economy. The sorry state of America's standing in the world. The sorry state of civil liberties in the U.S. The composition of the Supreme Court for the next GENERATION.

I'm not saying race is not an important issue. I'm saying it's an issue that is not going to be resolved in this presidential campaign. NOT GOING TO BE RESOLVED in this campaign. It very well may, however, divide us to the point of losing this election, and then NONE of the other issues get addressed.

But no, now it's got to be all about race. The damnedest part of it is that it's DEMOCRATS beating each other over the head with it.

Bake

[HEyHEY]

94. Wow, thanks dbaker

cyber hug!

[Bake]

105. Please! Call me Bake!

All my friends do!

:hi:

Bake

[Pamela Troy]

96. I've been on DU since 2001.

I don't care, frankly, who this guy is. If indeed, he's a professional journalist as he claims, he's either drinking too much or he's got an incredibly charitable editor.

[Bake]

110. Then tell us who you used to be

Because your profile says 2006 with a fairly low post count. I've been here since 2001, and I know HeyHey has been here a long time as well.

Bake

[Pamela Troy]

114. I've been posting articles here and reading threads since 2001.

You can find my 2001 articles -- under the name "Pamela Troy" in the DU archive.

[TexasObserver]

55. Meds. Get them and use them.

Again with the OCD!!

[HEyHEY]

59. Actually, dick, I do have OCD and I do take meds for it.

[TexasObserver]

72. Then that would make me very perceptive, and you very predictable.

No surprises there.

[HEyHEY]

74. No, it would make you a biggot who looks down upon the mentally ill - fuckin' hatemonger

No wonder you spend all your time talking about candidates skin-colour.

[Pamela Troy]

77. Actually, we look down on people who post incoherent rants

and resort to name-calling when they're questioned.

If your mental illness is to blame for your behavior here, that's a pity. But we do tend to assume that people who post here are RESPONSIBLE for what they post.

[HEyHEY]

80. Hmm, twice you guys have brought up mental illness, I see your makeup not

The obvious, differences in people is what makes them act the way they do. No wonder you're a couple of people spending all your time talking about race, instead of healthcare and such. Whatever is easiest for your simple mind to grasp, I bet.

[Pamela Troy]

83. I was responding to your explanation that you have OCD. Frankly, my

assumption was not that you are "off your meds" but that you are either very young or very drunk.

[TexasObserver]

81. And "biggot" is the way journalists spell that where you write?

You are a laugh riot!!

I don't spend my time talking about the candidates' (notice the apostrophe for possessive - that's how WE journalists write) skin color. I spend my time talking about whatever the current topics of discussion are.

[HEyHEY]

84. yes, actually, it is.

There are different places in the world that spell differently. Course not that I'd expect you to ge that. You seem about as bright as a box of dirt.

[TexasObserver]

90. Wrong again.

Unlike you, I am a professional writer, and I spend several weeks a year in Canada, working with Canadians far more educated and competent than you.

You come across as someone with no education and very weak writing skills.

And no, "biggot" is not common usage in journalism in Canada. It's used by the uneducated in Canada and the USA who don't know how to spell. You're a poseur.

[HEyHEY]

93. Buddy, I can speak as pejoratively as I want here - but again

By calling me a posuer you show your instinctive kneejerk reaction that all people fit into some kind of category, some being better than others. You truly are a racist at heart, I suppose.

[TexasObserver]

100. The word is "poseur."

Please learn what the word "racism" means. None of my comments to you have any basis in race.

[HEyHEY]

102. No, but you show your nature - which is one of stereotyping

[Pamela Troy]

107. -- says the poster who calls people who disagree with the OP "retards" and "numbnuts."

[asthmaticeog]

101. A pissing match between a journo from Canada and one from Texas.

*sigh*

Score yet another point for Canada.

[Pamela Troy]

103. Except the "journo" from Texas actually seems to know how to write and spell.

[HEyHEY]

108. So, it's totally in your nature to distract people from the issues, I gather

Judging by your constant attacks on my grammar and such, instead of talking about what my OP talks about. Just like instead of talking about the war and health care, you talk about Obama's skin colour.

[Pamela Troy]

111. I have several posts here about what your OP talks about.

You still haven't responded to them.

[HEyHEY]

119. I'm having trouble finding a single post of yours I've left alone

[asthmaticeog]

115. That's what editors are for.

Also, the journo from Texass says hateful shit about mental illness. Thereby justifying the years of hateful shit I've said about Texas, the sweaty, filthy, bat-winged groin of America.

[Pamela Troy]

116. The "journo" from Canada uses "retards" as an insult.

That's not hateful?

As for your comment about editors, even they have limits. If I turned in stories as incoherent, ungrammatical and badly spelled as the posts of this "journo" from Canada, they'd stop giving me assignments after awhile.

[asthmaticeog]

118. One of the best writers at the paper I work for is somewhat sloppy and spelling challenged.

If you were worth keeping around, they'd put up with it.

[HEyHEY]

121. Plus, as if I allow shit like that to go unchecked when I'm being paid

I always find that on DU the "Learn how to spell" remarks come when the poster has nothing else to say. I'm not going to spend time editing every post and all that shit when I'd rather just hit post and get to the rebukes.

[Pamela Troy]

122. I've yet to see anything he's posted that shows that to be the case.

[HEyHEY]

126. yaawn

[malta blue]

42. ...

:applause::applause:

Ain't that the truth!

[barack the house]

65. VERY, VERY wise words.

[Fire Walk With Me]

67. Well, if WE wear it out, the republicans can't swift boat us with it!

Do I have to say "I'm kidding"?

[HEyHEY]

87. Not a bad idea in this thread.

[Fire Walk With Me]

149. "I'm kidding".

;)

[lumberjack_jeff]

70. Well then what the hell are we going to talk about?

I know! Let's pick on the 75% of Americans who don't have college educations!

[HEyHEY]

86. You mean like texas obsever and pamela troy?

[Pamela Troy]

98. Was it my elitist use of correct grammar and punctuation that tipped you off?

[HEyHEY]

109. Wow, you've proved you can't compute information!!!!!

Re-read his post, then mine. Thanks!

[Pamela Troy]

113. You've proved you can't offer information. All you seem to manage is insult.

[HEyHEY]

123. Oh, and you've been a model of civil discussion....

[Pamela Troy]

125. I'm certainly not in the habit of calling people who disagree with me

"asswipe" or "retard."

[HEyHEY]

127. You forgot "numbnuts."

Your first repsonse was a sarcastic, arrogant, shallow waste of time, so you were called a name.

[LaurenG]

91. WoW HEyHEy - Shit storm?!

I would never have thought that such a benign post would cause such a ruckus. Hang in there!

[HEyHEY]

104. It didn't need to!

If the responses were civil at the get go, it woulda been great!

[blues90]

92. You know who made this about race don't you ?

The stinking media and this includes the what used to be called progressive radio and all their callers who insist there are hidden messages in any comment Hillary has ever made.

These are the same callers who gather up all the talking points and then call into every single show.

I will never buy into crap like where Hillary said she gets the hardworking whites that this is in any way a racist comment or was it intended to be.

You can read in-between any line and make it into what ever you desire if it is repeated enough times.

To bash the hell out of another dem candidate to make a point is what split this party and brought on the the race card.

People expect now after this the party will come together , that is a joke.

If people want to support Obama then it should have been done so on merit not bashing the other candidates. This is what I see and it never ends.

What we have are two corporate candidates and the people are blinded by the hype and endless talking points which amount to a mountain of shit.


Two candidates that will do nothing other than talk yet continue to do nothing.

It takes the people to effect change and the people are dumbed down and have not been heard for decades.

Until the people demand change and it comes from the bottom up nothing will even change , count on it.

If anyone needs proof then all one needs to do is look at what happened to Kucinich who is not corporate owned . You speak out against the machine and you are silenced and run out of the race.

As far as the dems go , what have anyone of them done since just 2006? Not a damn thing until this primary season came down to two candidates , then they go in hopes of a position not out of the sake of the people , they have had time to do something yet with all the calls and emails and protests they still let bush have it all his way. And we should trust them now?

Not me, not this time. I won't vote for McCain but I won't vote for a forced media pick either.

To me it's not about race or gender , the later which is entirely left out of the picture. For me it's about honesty and transparency not the bandwagon leaping I see this time around.

This is a racist country and a murderous one as well , oil hungry and greedy and ignorant to the point of easily being lead.

[HEyHEY]

128. And that's the big point, right?

That all these fucking pundits made it about race. Why? Cause you need SOMETHING to talk about when you do 24 hour news!

[blues90]

130. It is a big deal when most people watch the damn news

It's not just the TV but also the radio jumping on the bashing wagon.

[HEyHEY]

132. Yeah, that's why it's go to be ignored

[blues90]

139. I am not certain where you are coming from

What's to be ignored? Me or the racism that is promoted by media?

[HEyHEY]

140. The racism from the media

[VotesForWomen]

95. if O is the nominee, i guarantee that his campaign's constant racism charges will sink him.

[LaurenG]

97. Nah- I think that's wishful thinking on your part

:rofl:

[HEyHEY]

112. I just hope the primaries get it out of everyone's system

[Dr Fate]

134. Or more likely, the actual GOP/media racism will turn moderates in his favor.

Obama will not be out in the media crying "racism" any more than he is doing now.

You are confusing several DU threads with what Obama is saying in the media & in his speeches- he doesnt dare cry "racism" at this point...Hillary, the GOP and every media outlet would be SCREAMING "RACE CARD RACE CARD RACE CARD" if he even hinted at such a thing.

[JVS]

99. There have been plenty of chances for the fuckwads here to talk about issues...

but first they wanted to talk about Rezko, then Wright, then how Obama can't win the all important votes of white people with shitty jobs and little education.

They chose this shit, let them drown in it.

[HEyHEY]

129. I can't believe how much the support that what they're doing is right

[JVS]

141. I'm not able to parse meaning out of that. What do you mean?

[HEyHEY]

142. I mean them all going so hard on the point that race is an important issue

and being so relentless

[JVS]

144. Race is going to be an issue of discussion when one candidate in a contest...

wants the results up to this point to be overturned on the grounds that she appeals better to "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans", a phrasing probably made so awkward by her being able to tell that she was playing with fire in making the comment. I don't know if you get this kind of talk in Canada, but there are many republicans who wouldn't engage in such shameless race-baiting. This combined with Hillary supporters generally pushing a program of we must kiss WV's ass and not make derisive comments about a state where we have seen open displays of stupidity and racism. We used to make fun of dumbasses like the "Get a brain Morans" guy, I wouldn't be surprised if a faction of Clinton supporters were to advocate for his canonization at this point. Also, being poor and not having an education is no excuse for being a racist dumbass, as the only requirement for not being the kind of idiot that says some of the things that have emanated from WV over the last few days is not any kind of degree but a basic level of decency. It's not rocket science, nor does higher education necessarily instill that ethical position, although one could argue that academic culture negatively sanctions such behavior to such a degree that it is driven from sight. You might find it something that makes both sides and the party look bad, and my answer to you is that I don't care. That someone seeking the nomination of this party would open up this can of worms by stressing her appeal to whites (not really a group known for loyalty to our party to begin with) is disgusting and already makes the party look much worse than any message board bloggers could achieve. I am happy that at no time did Obama say that HRC did not appeal to men and to women who don't like the idea of a female president, because that would have been a horribly bigoted strategy as much as the tack that Hillary took.

[HEyHEY]

146. Nah, in my memory we don't get this kind of stuff up here

God, ten years ago we had a Premier who was born in India. His race wasn't an issue. What became an issue was within the party moderate sihks and hardliners started supporting their own candidates. But, no one every questioned the race card. It wouldn't be seen as democratic, or decent.

[marshall]

131. Shouldn't the comment be addressed "Dear Hillary"?

Go right to the source.

[HEyHEY]

133. Mmmm perhaps "Dear John " CC; to right wing pundits

[Lone_Star_Dem]

135. BUT...

S/he started it!



Constructive discussion on both issues is vital. What's been taking place here for the most part is destructive.

[cyndensco]

136. I agree with you, HEyHEY. Maybe for different reasons.

Race has become a huge issue in this race, as it is in many of our day-to-day lives. Fortunately, Obama managed to transcend it early on - if he had not, he would not be where he is.

IMO, some (particularly in the media) have been too quick to label some things racist. I was one to do so in my younger years but learned it lost its significance the more I claimed it. We have to pick our battles. If something is unjust, identify it as unjust. I think the r-word should be held for when the big shit happens - and it, something, will certainly happen.

Meanwhile, I enjoy the race discussions here on DU. It is encouraging to see how fervently some people defend others. But, most of us are on the same page, and here we are "keeping it in the family." I'd love to see the MSM stop mentioning race at every turn...

[HEyHEY]

137. Obama should promise a "Political pundit holiday" if he wants to win

No pundits all summer!

[JVS]

145. How could he do that? Pundits comment with or without permission of the parties involved.

[Kahuna]

143. You were on DU dissing Obama big time just about a month ago.

I was very disappointed in you.

[HEyHEY]

148. No I wasn't

I believe what I said was he seems a little "niave" that's not exactly a big time diss. I still think it's true. I'd still vote for him. Hell, half the people I vote for I don't have much faith in.

[Bucky]

147. Thank you, Hey. Racism sucks.

And yet, obsessing about it feeds it.