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MattP Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:20 AM
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Why I think WV hurts America
Coal, I think that our environment is worth more than a couple of electoral votes.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:24 AM
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1. Mattp says as he types out a sentence on his computer, which is plugged into the wall,
which is connected to the grid, which is supplied electricity by a power plant, which is powered by ??? Rainbows and happy thoughts? :rofl:
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:25 AM
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2. An industry created and fed by Bush and the Neocons ... keep laughing, you live here too.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:31 AM
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8. I thought it was Ben Franklin and his key or Tesla and his coils
Turns out George Bush invented the coal fired electrical plant. You learn something new every day! :rofl:
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:00 PM
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15. Bush created the coal industry?? Are you 10 years old or something?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:29 AM
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18. PONIES!!!!
:rofl:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:25 AM
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3. I have heard of trying to float CA and FL out to sea before, but never landlocked WV.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:25 AM by jsamuel
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:29 AM
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:39 AM
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10. we could strip mine it off the fsce of the earth.
Oh, you say that's already underway? Nevermind.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:26 AM
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4. You'd think that all the pork that Byrd brags about getting to WV, they could hire a few teachers
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MattP Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:29 AM
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5. I know you can't eliminate Coal but we need to find something else
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:31 AM by MattP
I meant not investing in clean alternatives is killing the planet. You wan't to live next to a Coal plant, you know how many people are sick from living next to those plants?
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:30 AM
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7. CNN just mentioned that Gore probably lost WV because of coal.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:31 AM by godai
His tag as 'Mr. Ozone' scared off voters, unfairly. Add to this the number of voters there who 'won't vote for a black man' and Obama's chances for success there are difficult.
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Discouraging WP article about the racist voters in Indiana and PA:

Racist Incidents Give Some Obama Campaigners Pause

"The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,' " recalled Ross, who is white and just turned 20. "People just weren't receptive."

Victoria Switzer, a retired social studies teacher, was on phone-bank duty one night during the Pennsylvania primary campaign. One night was all she could take: "It wasn't pretty." She made 60 calls to prospective voters in Susquehanna County, her home county, which is 98 percent white. The responses were dispiriting. One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"

Frederick Murrell, a black Kokomo High School senior, was not there but heard what happened. He was more disappointed than surprised. During his own canvassing for Obama, Murrell said, he had "a lot of doors slammed" in his face. But taunting teenagers on a busy commercial strip in broad daylight? "I was very shocked at first," Murrell said. "Then again, I wasn't, because we have a lot of racism here."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:38 AM
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9. What are they going to do when they run out of mountain tops to remove?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:46 AM
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11. That leaves us with a poor state and zero job prospects
not that jobs are more important than environmental poisoning, but we can't attack the problem without suggesting some relief for this state.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:49 AM
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12. Obama loves coal.
Ask him how he carried downstate Illinois.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:58 AM
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13. He didn't carry downstate Illinois in the primary.
In the general he was running against Keyes and anyone would have carried downstate against him.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:02 PM
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16. So you are a big expert on my state?
I know what kind of a primary Obama ran. He only campaigned in the Chicago area. But my post was about coal, and I did not say anything about the primary. Go see what Obama has said about coal, especially liquefied coal.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:12 PM
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17. I am a big expert.
I lived there for 30 years and was active in politics winning once as a ward committeeman and losing twice for other offices. I follow politics there on a daily basis. I lived in several wards in the city and Obama was my state senator at the time I moved from the state.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:31 AM
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25. Well, expert, then you should know Obama's position
on coal.

I am active in Illinois politics, too, but I feel no need to brag about my involvement.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:00 PM
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26. I wasn't bragging. You asked if I was an expert. You brought it up. Remember?
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:04 PM by bamalib
Obama says he is for "clean coal" as if anyone is for "dirty coal". Everyone in WV knows that "clean coal" is eco-nut code words for 'no coal'. Trying to correlate Obama's performance downstate vs. Keyes with his position on coal is absurd.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:13 PM
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27. I did not say anything about Keyes, either.
This is a waste of time.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:00 AM
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21. Murial!! Long time, No ignore!!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:59 AM
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14. Of c ourse WV hurts America! It's so unusual!
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:59 AM by damntexdem
After all, America traditionally named its states north and south: i.e., Carolina, Dakota. But here's West Virginia, just not fitting the mold. And is there an East Virginia? No, just Virginia!

Of course, the, it became West Virginia because those upstate counties refused to attempt to leave the Union with the rest of the original Virginia. So, WV was loyal when disloyal Virginia became a centerpiece of the Confederacy. Of course, they COULD have named it "North Virginia," since WV stayed with the North versus the South. ;-)

And the people of WV have been those most hurt by Big Coal.

So, however they vote, today or in November, perhaps we should have a little respect for WV. In fact, if the Dem Party retains its respect for WV, that might even influence how they vote in November.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:00 AM
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22. Ya reckon?
"So, however they vote, today or in November, perhaps we should have a little respect for WV. In fact, if the Dem Party retains its respect for WV, that might even influence how they vote in November."

Are you sure the know-it-all WVA bashers aren't really the ones in the right on this? I mean rural voters are SURE to feel ALL WARM AND COZY in a party that

:redbox: Calls them "Low Info Voters" which we all know is code for reeeee-tards
:redbox: Claims they have one single tooth in their head...maybe
:redbox: Calls them racists
:redbox: Tells them they don't deserve the oxygen they are breathing
:redbox: Tells them they are inbred
:redbox: Blames Democrats in red states for Republican Party fuckups
:redbox: Blames Democrats in WVA for:
    :bluebox: Slavery
    :bluebox: Lynchings
    :bluebox: Church bombings
    :bluebox: Assassinations
    :bluebox: And everything else
       :graybox: Under the sun
       :graybox: From the beginning of time
       :graybox: Until now
       :graybox: And possibly in the future too?

Are ya sure 'bout that?

:sarcasm:
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:41 AM
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19. because it is a state where
if you can just graduate high school, you can work in the mines, make 60 grand a year, provide a decent standard of living to your children.

A place where the American dream still lives, unlike most of the rest of the country, where if you can't get a bachelor's degree (either through lack of intelligence or funds) you are some kind of second class citizen. Why can't we all be like the cocktail party set in Marin County, California. Why can't we all have nice jobs in Silicon Valley, why can't we all have Ivy League educations, etc etc.

I was born in Beaumont, but grew up in Biloxi. I grew up in a town where if you didn't have the ability to go to college, you did have the boats, you had the rigs, you had the shipyards. Not everyone has the ability to go to college, many of our people didn't. The most important times of year were Fat Tuesday and Blessing of the Fleet.

I will admit, there are many things about the South I don't like, namely, who people have been voting for. I'll still live down here as long as I can because at least here, the person who is a lawyer with a college degree will not be ashamed to go out drinking with his buddy from high school, who has a big beard and who works as a roughneck. Where the debutante won't be ashamed to marry the son of a shrimper (my parents marriage).

They might vote for the wrong people sometimes, but they are infinitely better people than everyone who, usually has had better opportunities than they had, who then proceed to degrade and run them down and act as if they are somehow better than them


Personally, I think these kind of communities represent the American dream, a dream that sadly dies today with every job that goes overseas and with every union that crumbles. The American dream died a long time ago, we are only now realizing it
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:02 AM
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23. Well said. n/t
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:43 AM
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20. There's too many white people there who don't eat enough arugula.
That's what's wrong with them.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:03 AM
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24. or drink enough lattes
They aren't rich enough either.

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