Hillary this and Obama that... You ALL suck!

[Breeze54]

NEITHER is PROGRESSIVE!!!

They don't have YOUR interests at heart and neither does McAsinine!

You all sound like a bunch of kids fighting over the last poison cookie...

Because it's THERE!!!!! Ya know what that gets you, right? :puke:

And LOTS of it!!! :(

What you all seem to be fighting over is a heavier or a lighter version of the SAME RECIPE!!!!

:banghead:

It's all a game of political one-up manship! That's ALL it is!!!!

I'll concede. McLame and Clinton are HAWKS!

But what is Obama when he votes FOR more WAR Funding? :puke:

Sorry, but you lost me, dude. :(

"Five years after "Mission Accomplished", the strain on our economy is becoming unbearable.
Congress has appropriated over $500 billion, and we are spending an average of $245 million
a day in Iraq. The cost of the Iraq war to the average American family this year will be $16,000."
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reps-maxine-waters-barbara-lee-and-lynn-woolsey/five-years-after-mission_b_99803.html">"Reps. Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee, and Lynn Woolsey"


Get-A-Clue.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. So what do you suggest the solution is?

[Hutzpa]

8. She doesn't seem to have any inclination

but a failed attempt at persuasion, which I might add is
frail.

[Breeze54]

61. Really? My advice to you is to pull your head out of your ASS!!

:grr:

[Hutzpa]

91. Thats funny.... I could have sworn

that I wrote this abysmal thread that makes no sense but comes
across as an impediment of an attempt to dissuade folks into
thinking the unthinkable, not that I expect you get to this,
but at least I tried.

Cherrio!!!!


:hi:

[Breeze54]

107. Then you are more clueless

than I originally gave you credit for... silly me.

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. *cough*Gore*cough*

I know, how dare I suggest such a radical thought on DU. Proceed to complain to the Obama lovin' moderators.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. It would be great if he'd do it -- unfortunately,

he doesn't seem at all interested.

[Birthmark]

2. In the words of Gabby Johnson

Ravvid!! :)

[Yael]

3. Because we should cut off the troops committed over there from getting

food and stuff?

Great idea!

:freak:

[Bensthename]

6. I hear yah, that is the worst argument from these people

"why do you continue to fund the troops"

Should we starve them? :crazy:

[Breeze54]

11. The $$ to fund the troops has ALREADY been allocated!

Look it up!

[Bensthename]

19. Then why vote at all?

if the funds are already there.

[Breeze54]

25. They need to make it look good?

It needs investigation.

[Bensthename]

4. Go Nader...

:party:

[Breeze54]

62. Only a dumbshit REPUKE would say that...

You aren't one, are you? :crazy:

[babylonsister]

5. Explain why Waters and Woolsey (?) support hawkish Clinton, since

you're expressing your opinion. :shrug:

I'm going with Obama. He at least didn't vote for it nor condone the illegal occupation. He was supporting the troops when he had no choice. As president, he'll have a lot of different choices.

[Breeze54]

9. He COULDN'T vote for OR against it... he wasn't a Senator!

:silly:

He has said pretty much the same war talk as HRC and McAsinine!

There is NO difference!

[babylonsister]

13. He voiced his disagreement which was totally opposite of what

Clinton signed on to. Look it up. And yes, there's a difference, but I don't feel like arguing with you anymore. You'll find someone, no doubt.

[Breeze54]

20. You're telling ME to look it up?

:rofl:

I've read it all...

I wasn't arguing WITH you at all.

WARMONGERS AND ENABLERS ARE LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!

[babylonsister]

26. Sigh. Here. Read it if you want to, because you apparently haven't yet.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

[AtomicKitten]

75. I doubt she's interested in actual information: Her mind is closed & she's damn proud of it.

[Name removed]

78. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cboy4]

15. That's my "favorite" line -- about how he didn't vote for

the war. LOL!

I wonder if Obama voted to fund it?

[Breeze54]

23. LOL! We ALL know he voted to Fund it!! - Again and again!!

Thank You, cboy4

He's the same as McLame and as Clinton.

A FOLLOWER! What ever makes it good for him.

Typical politician.

He's voted to be in on the 'in' crowd."

Can't say i blame him but he doesn't have OUR interests at heart.

Neither do any of them. :(

[emilyg]

28. There is not a politician alive who has OUR

best interest at heart. Never was - never will be.

[Breeze54]

31. I disagree. Kucinich did and does. n/t

[merh]

85. Kucinich isn't running.

How do you suggest we get him the office if he is no longer running for it?

If both are so lame what do you suggest we do, sit out? Write ins?

What exactly is your plan?

[Breeze54]

89. No shit Sherlock....

and it's a sad shame on all of us, isn't it?

We had a progressive Democrat willing to sacrifice and lead us out of the
abyss but we turned our backs on him because he was small and frail.

How shallow America has become. :(

[merh]

90. Well philosophical one, answer the questions I posted?

Start with -- what do you suggest we do?

Do you have a plan or is complaining the best you got?

[Breeze54]

92. Philosophical one? You mistake me for someone else....

What could have been has passed, sadly.

What to do now?

Now you share in my dilemma... :(

Another four years of BS and bravado.

I think I'm going to be sick....

[emilyg]

94. OK. I give you that one.

[babylonsister]

36. Ahem. Waters and Woolsey? nt

[Lerrad]

56. There is one thing I have to support Hillary on....

I'm an Obama supporter, but lets remember one thing.

The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. Saddam new that Bush did not have the authority to go to war on his own.

When Bush obtained the power he then had leverage against Saddam. Bush had the gun cocked, loaded and aimed at Saddam's head. All he had to do was say "Shape up or your dead."

BUT BUSH PULLED THE TRIGGER!

I have to support Hillary on this.

[Breeze54]

59. PLEASE RE_READ THAT STATEMENT!!!

"The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war."
The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. "
The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. "
The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. "
The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. "
The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. "
The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. "
The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. "
The vote was not to go to war, but only to give Bush the power and authority to go to war. "

Until you UNDERSTAND IT!!!! :banghead:

[Lerrad]

67. Why do I waste my time here ?????

I have been a member since 2003 under the name KeryOn. Lost my user name because I didn't hang out here much anymore.

Perhaps you need to calm down and think it through. Did you read my post at all?

Saddam was teasing Bush. Saddam was not going to back down, because he new Bush could not hurt him at all. Bush could not go to war, with out a vote giving him the power to do so and Saddam new this!!!

All he had to do was say "Shape up or your dead."
BUT BUSH PULLED THE TRIGGER!

Look, I agree with you to an extent. There is No Perfect candidate, and there will never will be, because no one is perfect. There is always going to be something about each one that we don't like. This is not a prefect world, and it never will be. I think generaly we all try to do the best we can, and that is all we an ask for.

[Breeze54]

70. Bush planned to INVADE IRAQ BEFORE he was ELECTED!!!

PNAC!!!

Bush planned Iraq ‘regime change’ before becoming President

http://pnac.info/index.php/2003/bush-planned-iraq-regime-change-before-becoming-president/

http://www.sundayherald.com/27735

SundayHerald.com: Bush planned Iraq ‘regime change’ before becoming President

Here’s an excerpt:

A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure ‘regime change’ even before he took power in January 2001.

The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a ‘global Pax Americana’ was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld’s deputy), George W Bush’s younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney’s chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America’s Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush’s cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: ‘The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.’

Full story…

[Lerrad]

73. I agree . . .

But no one new that untill after the fact.

[Breeze54]

76. But they did!! It was published a full month BEFORE the IWR vote!!

:grr:

Check it on google!!

23 Senators and 135 Reps voted AGAINST the "war" on Iraq!

Don't you think THEY knew about that article?

I think they did !!

That means that the rest of them either...

#1. Ignored it for Political gain

OR

#2. Were derelict in their duties!!

:grr:

[babylonsister]

60. I don't.

Most people who gave him the vote have expressed deep apologies for doing so. Quite a few saw through the vote.
Clinton hasn't denounced it. She reminds me of *. She cannot admit to any mistakes. That worries me.

[Lerrad]

72. But why was it a mistake?

Remember back to 2004. This is what the Republicans were saying about John Kerry. He vote for the war! Hang him!

What would Saddam have done if Bush did not have the authority to go to war?

Remember at the time no one new if Saddam had the capabilities of attacking us or not. I seem to remember statements from Bush about mushroom clouds only 45 minutes away. We know now that they were not 45 minutes away, but back then none of use new that for sure.

So giving Bush the authority was only leverage to be used against Saddam. Once Bush had the power Saddam new his goose was cooked, and he would have shaped up. But Bush went all the way.

There is no need for Hillary to apologize. The ones that have apologized, were making the same argument that I have stated above right after they voted for the war.

There are many other things I dislike about Hillary like here tall tales. This worries me more.

OBAMA 2008

[babylonsister]

77. Kerry renounced his vote in a very wonderful speech.

Edwards renounced his also. Clinton never has. Now go look up, because I'm tired, all the Dems who refused to vote for this.

And For What It's Worth, we were supposedly at war with the people who attacked NY, AlQ from Afghanistan, SA, NOT Iraq! That is why it was a sucky idea. Look where we are now.


There wasn't one Iraqi involved in 9/11. This war was and is BOGUS, and the neocons got their wish.

Go look up PNAC, wouldya? This was planned. While you're at it, look up the Downing Street Minutes.

[Breeze54]

79. "There wasn't one Iraqi involved in 9/11. This war was and is BOGUS" ~ Right on!! n/t

:D

[susanwy]

82. I always liked Biden't renouncement

Something like...

I gave the president the benefit of the doubt after 9/11 because he was our commander and chief and I thought he had our best interest at heart. Believe me, that will NEVER happen again with this administration, they don't deserve it. Never in a million years did I think Bush would betray the nation as he has done.

[Breeze54]

111. LOL!

Well done! :D

[PurityOfEssence]

66. He's the most hypothetical chameleon to ever amble down the pike

Everything of importance is a supposition with this guy.

Had he been compelled to vote on the IWR, he would have voted against it. When it served his purpose, he said he didn't know how he'd have voted on it if given the information others had been given. He's a stalwart crusader, but he voted "present" repeatedly on abortion issues. He supports the common folk, but voted against capping credit card interest rates at 30%. The Sense of the Senate on Iran was a colossal abomination and proves Hillary Clinton's pure evil, but he couldn't even manage to show up to vote or even state his stance at the time, much as he pilloried Hillary for it.

It's a faith-based candidacy. He's a shmoo, one of the creatures in Al Capp's "Li'l Abner" that loves to be eaten and tastes like whatever food you want it to. He's a blank slate upon which everyone everywhere can project whatever he or she wants, and he's proud of this malleability. He lopes and saunters with the casual ease of sheer flexibility itself, yet he's the most stalwart and rigid champion of decency since whoever you happen to personally revere, and he's against all those people you dislike, no matter who you are. He's tireless in taking noble and decent stands, even though he really never has, much as the opportunities have presented themselves.

With oneness and hope, he isn't merely on both sides of controversial issues, he's a virtual fog of all-encompassment and he loves you personally. He's got loaves and fishes and he looks forward to his collaboration with god when he's the C-in-C. (Not my words, they're HIS, from that godawful faith forum in Pennsylvania.)

It's all promises and soft-soap, and with that he's no better than Hillary Clinton herself. At least she stood up for something once, even if she did get whipped good 'n proper for it. The difference is that she at least somewhat admits being a calculating politician, whereas he feigns being nobly above the fray, even when using ham-fisted tactics like in South Carolina.

It's all "trust me" and allow yourself to be swept along with the glorious feeling of it all. He's the Pied Piper incarnate, and there's very little we can do about it.

Neither is much of a choice, much as both DO have their hearts more or less in the right place. The problem is that neither really thinks much can be done to change things, so they both chart safe and ultramoderate courses that lead both to soft support and flaccid policies.

The endless resonation of "things he's definitely gonna do" and "things he woulda done" are paraded around like solid, crystaline facts, while the facts of his career are quite to the contrary.

Maybe he is what he says. Maybe we'll see.

[Breeze54]

69. "so they both chart safe and ultramoderate courses..."

"so they both chart safe and ultramoderate courses that lead both to soft support and flaccid policies."

BRAVO!!! :applause: :applause:

[susanwy]

80. very nice!

You should donate to DU, put on your flack jacket and post this in it's own thread!:bounce:

[babylonsister]

81. Maybe we'll see.

Have you read any of his books? And I'd like to share an old article I found on the freshman senator from IL that gave me, dare I say it, hope:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html

And here's a bonus:

http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/mediapolitics/1836.html

[VolcanoJen]

7. Mmmmm kay.

And what are we to do now? Vote Nader?

[Breeze54]

14. LOL... that is to easy...

We have no choice now, do we?

But just remember in Jan. '09...

that at the beginning of this fucking fiasco...we had a choice.

Again, people BELIEVED what the M$M told them and here we are ... fucking AGAIN!!!

:grr:

Same sad "choices"... What a fucking joke!

[VolcanoJen]

22. I have two choices, Obama and McCain.

I'm as liberal and progressive and leftie as you are, Breeze. And you've been through a helluva lot more than I have in these last wretched years. In the end, any big leftie isn't going to feel satisfied with "The System" as it is, but I do feel in my heart of bleeding hearts that Obama is the closest we've come to cracking that nut in my lifetime.

I understand where you're coming from. And I am listening to you. Will you listen to me, throughout these months, too? We can find our common ground.

[Breeze54]

29. I respect you, VolcanoJen, and always have...

I'm just ... argh... *sigh* .... disappointed

is the closest word I can come up with right now.

It's just so surreal to me now... :(

:hug:

[VolcanoJen]

40. I think we're just going to come together on this.

It's not perfect.... but it's the most beautiful perfect mess I've ever seen, this community, this DU.

My God, what we've endured together!!!! And you, especially, sweet Breeze54.

Let's march on together. Let's just get a little closer. And when we get there, let's just reach a little further. Let's just be sure to always shake that tree together!

:hug: Breeze54 :hug:

[Breeze54]

43. I will, as always, help you shake the tree....

:hug:

[Double T]

10. BO is a hypocrite, george w. mccain is bush and HRC is OUR ONLY REAL HOPE........

to end this miserable 'war' and put our nation and economy on the RIGHT TRACK. WE MUST and WILL hold HER feet to the fire!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. Not gonna happen...

[Somawas]

21. As we have done so sucessfully with Bush?

[Double T]

27. What can WE do when TWO PSYCHOPATHS are occupying the WH.

The PSYCHOPATH ERA must and will end.

[Webster Green]

32. She'll nuke Iran..

She's a war-monger.

[Swamp Rat]

37. Without batting an eyelash

[Double T]

44. Oh PLEASE. YOU can't really believe that, can YOU?

She doesn't want to nuke ANYONE and SHE is TOO DAMN SMART and REASONED to be a warmonger.

[movonne]

51. She said she would...I guess we are not supposed to take her for

word...she said she would obliterate Iran...men, women, children and every living thing in Iran..

[Webster Green]

53. Sorry, I believe my own eyes and ears..

You'll have to find someone else to try to bullshit. :shrug:

[Breeze54]

39. HRC is OUR ONLY REAL HOPE?

She voted FOR the IWR!!! :banghead:

[Double T]

55. AND obama has voted EVERY TIME in favor of funding and supporting IT.

obama's position that he WOULD HAVE voted against IT makes HIM even MORE of a hypocrite.

[hendo]

68. yeah

lets cut the funding for body armor, or food, or veteran's benefits, that's a great way to do things. You can't just cut funding, you have to have a planned, phased withdrawal.

[Double T]

117. So VERY true; funding can NOT just be cut.

obama needs to get off his 'LW anti-war' soapbox as his voting record doesn't match his speeches and attacks on HRC.

[movonne]

48. As far as I can see hillary is not going to be president...

[Oregone]

16. my posion cookie tastes better than yours.

[emilyg]

33. What brand would that be? I want

some of those "posion" cookies.

[Breeze54]

41. But see? I'm smart enough not to eat them...

to bad you aren't.

[Tribetime]

24. Thanks for your solution

[Splinter Cell]

30. Get a clue

Once again, YOU CAN'T NOT FUND THE TROOPS. BUSH WILL KEEP THEM THERE IF THEY HAVE PROPER FUNDING OR NOT, SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM PROPERLY EQUIPPED. Just thinking the war is wrong is not enough. You have to have some sense, and not fuck over our soldiers just because Curious George won't bring them home. Cutting their funds won't do a damn thing except put them in more danger.

[Lerrad]

34. So let me see if I got this right....

It appears that you don't like McAsinine, McLame, Clinton or Obama.

>What you all seem to be fighting over is a heavier or a lighter version of the SAME RECIPE!!!!< Have you thought about just voting for the lesser of three evils?

No one candidate will ever be the perfect candidate for everyone. And.. I can not for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to be the president of the United States, when Bush has screwed this country up so bad. Why on earth should anyone of these candidates have to clean up Bush's mess?

Maybe you should run?

[AllentownJake]

35. This is the same bullshit

That got us Bush in the first place. Gore and Bush are the same. How untrue that was.


Obama and Clinton might not be as liberal as we want them to be however, they are miles away from fucking McCain in just the fact they appoint justices to the Supreme Court.

Grow up.

[Breeze54]

71. Gore and Bush are the same?

:rofl:

I never heard THAT at all... stop projecting.

We're (some of us) dealing with reality.

BTW? GORE helped form the DLC!

[TheDonkey]

38. wtf? get on the meds dude

:puke:

[Breeze54]

64. Maybe you should get OFF them?!

:shrug:

REALITY RULES!

[LooseWilly]

42. So write in Kucinich, or Barbara Lee, or...

...write in your mother. I've done it.

I gotta admit, I was shocked when "my mom" didn't win the presidential election in '96...

[Breeze54]

47. I did in the primary but I value my vote like gold, always have.

It means a lot to me. Not having an anti-war candidate, AGAIN, is such a huge let down... to me. :(

[sandnsea]

45. You need to look again

and expand your criteria for defining a person beyond one issue. Obliterate Iran. Stay the Course in Iraq. Continuing the blustering foreign policy. Friendly with corrupt Indian outsourcers who gave money to the Clinton library. Corrupt fundraisers. Willing to cheat to get elected.

Please. There is nothing the same about the two of them.

[Breeze54]

49. I am not and never have been for HRC.

I think you missed my point and it was probably my fault. Sorry.

I think they're both on the same track. Period.

[AtomicKitten]

46. Ah, okay.

[Breeze54]

50. Meaningless and clueless, as usual.

But I'll bet you get a lot of offers using that pic...

[AtomicKitten]

54. more grossly exaggerated, over-the-top drama from you, as usual

delivered in that extra special unpleasant way you have about you,
which pretty much renders you clueless for the record

[Lerrad]

119. Oh Good...

I was beginning to think it was just me that felt this way.
Could not agree with you more.

Thanks!

[Lord Helmet]

97. hey good introspection admitting you're clueless

[Dhalgren]

52. Bravo! Someone actually telling truth!

I agree with you 1000%!Both Clinton and Obama are corporate candidates, as is McCain. McCain is worse than either Democrat, but only in degree, not in kind. The choice is between lesser evils - and the evils ain't all that less...

[Breeze54]

57. Thank You! They're ALL corporate candidates.

"I tremble in indignation..."

'The choice is between lesser evils and the evils ain't all that less...'

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


But you said it better than me. ;)

Thanks.

[Beregond2]

58. I can't speak for anyone else here,

but I certainly suck; and very well too!

[tomp]

63. kucinich 2008! nt

[Breeze54]

65. -----!!!!

:yourock:

:hug:

[tomp]

112. yes, i do rock, don't I? but you're one of the few who thinks so. nt

[Forkboy]

74. There's a reason Hillary and Obama were my last two choices.

[susanwy]

83. They were both at the bottom of my list too...

But the MSM wanted "history" and now we have crappy choices.

[babylonsister]

84. Who did you support who had any viability and how would that

person have encouraged you? If you mean Kuch, he was my first pick, but I had to move on when I realized he wasn't going to make it. I went for Obama. Biden is great, but his big mouth got in the way of his message too often. Maybe the fact that Obama was an unknown made him interesting.

[Forkboy]

88. Honestly, no politician encourages me.

The people who make the biggest difference are everyday people plugging away in near obscurity. Kuch was indeed my first choice, and yes, I knew he wasn't going to make it either. I liked Edwards stand on poverty a lot, and moved to him next, but he had issues that I didn't like either. Biden was ok, Gravel was ok, Dodd and Richardson were ok. I didn't really dislike any of them, even Hillary, but none of them inspire me really. Even Kuch, bless his soul, wasn't someone who I think would be that effective. I love his stance on most issues, but leading sometimes takes more than being right, and that's where I think he would have fallen short (no pun intended :) ).

As for Obama, his voting record is so similar to Hillary's that making the jump from Kuch to him was, and still is, something that doesn't thrill me. Take away the coolness of him and Hillary being the first AA or woman to be president (which in itself is great) and you have two very safe, centrist candidates.

Not saying he wont be a decent president, and after the last seven years anyone will be an massive step up. But I think the world needs something truly bold and daring right now, and I don't see any politician in any party that could get elected and be like that. Maybe when people have to scuba dive to see Miami, but not now.

[babylonsister]

93. That's where we differ.

Obama, by being a black man and being daring enough to confront the Clintons, that's pretty bold. My favorite thing about Obama is the rest of the world, who keep going 'what if' America could actually elect him? That's daring, and opens up infinite possibilities. I honestly believe Barack Obama is up for the challenges. We just might see his diplomacy in action. I hope.

[Forkboy]

95. I think he has the potential for a big upside.

More so than Hillary, which is why I had him above her. But I'm a flaming leftist, so what can you expect. ;)

[Breeze54]

96. You have really bought the hype, it seems.

"and being daring enough to confront the Clintons"

See? I don't think they're so massively unsurmountable and never have.

Maybe THAT's why you see it differently. I just don't see it in them at all.

Why you think they are SO 'powerful' tells me a lot... about you.

Have you been reading a lot of RW propaganda? I see no other way you'd think that.

[Lord Helmet]

98. the Clintons are a ruthless machine

god you really are clueless

[Breeze54]

101. Hey, loggerhead...

I dispute your claim and raise you. They aren't all that the RW has claimed and if
you are THAT naive' to believe all the hype ABOVE the facts, then you are gullible.

You are believing their spin and your own!! :P

Too funny. *smirk*

[Lord Helmet]

104. maybe you can buy a clue

[Breeze54]

106. You're not worth my time... n/t

[babylonsister]

100. Pack sand, honey. Why do you think the

Clintons thought they had the vote in the bag and didn't have to do anything after Super Tuesday?
Why was that promoted, ad nauseum?

I don't even know where you're coming from. Kucinich? Good luck. Who would you vote for now? If Clinton had a chance in hell of being viable?

And FWIW, it's insurmountable, but it ain't. :evilgrin:

[Breeze54]

103. THE M$M...DUMBSHIT!

N/T

[babylonsister]

108. OK, sorry, but neither of us are dumbshits, and if you are so

giddy in your righteousness, I don't need to listen to you. Ignore, doll, till after the primaries. Enjoy.

[Breeze54]

110. What ever... if you don't see M$M manipulation after all this time...

PLEASE put me on iggy!! Because you just DON'T GET IT and NEVER WILL!!! :silly:

[babylonsister]

116. Done! And I'll bet your head is throbbing this a.m. See you after the

primaries, and now I know why you don't venture into GD/P too often, and am thankful for that.

[Gore1FL]

86. Cutting war funding doesn't necessarily end the war

Bush sent them in ill-equipped, why would he pull them for the same reason?

They needed to pass a veto-proof law that called for Troop withdraw. I didn't see any such bill get 67 votes.

[Lord Helmet]

87. Oh, Really?

[Breeze54]

99. You're good at Graphics but not arguments.

:P

Nice hair. :eyes:

[Name removed]

102. Deleted sub-thread

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[Renew Deal]

105. Vote for Bob Barr

Obama is a genuinely anti-Iraq War candidate. Don't let the perfect get in the way of the good.

[babylonsister]

109. Such a simple answer. Hi, and thanks.

He's doing good, thanks to you and a brazillion people!

[Jamastiene]

113. Well, shit.

Now, that you put it that way, what are we going to do until 2012, if not fight? We are kinda used to it at this point, ya know? :shrug:

[Freedom Train]

114. I know this, and I totally agree!

But since my guys dropped out, what am I to do? I'll just have to try to promote the one of our two remaining candidates who can still beat McCain. Hillary for all her faults will still be better than McCain.

[rucky]

115. This is what we have to work with.

[Dr Fate]

118. "Your honor, I hold *MYSELF* in contempt!"