Sadly, I detect racism by some Obama supporters....

[Greenwood]

This has happened to me on more than one occasion since I put my Hillary sticker on my truck. It happened again.

Wednesday afternoon I am at the grocery store bringing my bags to my truck. A group of 3 African-American ladies walk past me. One of them says something like, "Hillary my ass......I would not vote for that white bitch........." The others, while I did not hear exactly what they said, agreed wth her.

Again, this has happened several times to me.

Can you IMAGINE what the reaction would be if the situation I just described was EXACTLY the same----only the races of the people were changed? If a African-American had an Obama sticker on his vehichle and 3 white ladies walked by and said they would not vote for that Black so-n-so.

Racism is racism is racism.

It is disgusting in any form and it is vile.

I will vote for Obama and campaign for him. But, the underlying not-talked-about racism by SOME of his supporters saddens me.

[Kittycat]

1. Really? Because Hillary is out boasting of White Support

Obama is not.

[nichomachus]

40. Can we agree that there are racists on both sides? However

it was the Hillary campaign who played the race card -- not the Obama campaign.

[MonkeyFunk]

50. No

Obama boasts of black support. But it's fine when he discusses the demographics of the race, but Clinton isn't allowed to.

This is the continuation of the obama fan swiftboating of the Clintons as racists.

[TahitiNut]

58. If I didn't know better, I'd say David Duke is a campaign advisor to Hillary Clinton.

I do know better, don't I? Don't I??

:dunce:

[Connie_Corleone]

2. Why should you care? According to Hillary, Black voters don't count.

[Greenwood]

4. Good grief.....

How's the kool-aid?

[Connie_Corleone]

5. Go suck on a lemon.

[Name removed]

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[QC]

12. Apparently it's pretty sour lately.

Someone back at the compound must have forgotten to put the sugar in it again.

[leftynyc]

32. I'd like a link to that

Where Hillary says black votes don't count.

[Scurrilous]

3. I totally believe you.

:thumbsup:

[ShortnFiery]

Gee, I detect PROJECTION ... it's not racism when you don't use it as "a wedge"

HRC is shameless. :thumbsdown:

[Mezzo]

37. oh bullshit it's not. That's a fucking lie and you know it.

[Aloha Spirit]

6. Obama's uh support uh among um working, uh hard working Americans, White Americans, is um weakening

I think they're responding to Senator Clinton's words and actions, not her skin tone.
Similar to the way that I called my boss certain bad words for mistreating me.
No doubt my boss made me hate men for a while there... I got over it ;-)

[butterfly77]

29. Yes..all hardworking, blue collar workers are ...

white:sarcasm:

[Mezzo]

39. and racist if they prefer another candidate.

[leftofcool]

7. This is sad and I can go you one better

I have coffee every morning with 8 black women (I am white) and have been doing so for the last 7 years. On nice days we take our lawn chairs outside and commence to engage in BS. Last week one of our neighbors who is white came by to say hello and ask if we were voting for Obama. All 9 of us said we were Hillary supporters. She looked at us and called us racist. Of course as soon as she left, I looked at them and said "I think she didn't notice what color you were." We all had a good laugh over it.

[Aloha Spirit]

11. Now *that* is a good story. Why are people so confused? Maybe it's like having a fever...

in the end it helps us get better?
Maybes?

[leftofcool]

25. I have no idea, I just know that we have had lots of fun with it since.

[LaurenG]

8. Some people are racist

Many, many people have lived with racism and racist remarks throughout history. Getting your feelings hurt over a strangers remark is your choice. Don't be a victim, shrug it off. Sticks and stones ... and all that.

[smiley_glad_hands]

9. I like puppies. eom

[saltpoint]

10. Thanks so much for weighing in.

It really elevates the dialogue.

[NightWatcher]

13. I get nothing but POSITIVE response to my bumper stickers and shirts

I love wearing my Obama-gear out around South Georgia. The only racism I see is from crackers who see me (6'5'' honky wearing shirts with Obama's face, name or both on them) and say something derogatory. I get all kinds of thumbs ups and fists in the air from African American Obama supporters young and old.

I love screwing with the heads of the white devils down here

[Aloha Spirit]

22. Ha! This is awesome.

[NatBurner]

72. lol

i like your style

[endarkenment]

14. I guess the endless pastorbating over the scary black minister

has had its desired effect. Did it occur to you that perhaps african americans might be a bit upset over how the Clinton campaign has tried to win this thing?

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. justification for racism? I don't think so.

[endarkenment]

47. I didn't justify it I noted that this is the expected result.

Keep on pastorbating and playing the scary black man game - and then get all horrified when black people aren't too friendly toward your candidate. Oh horrors, they don't like us any more!

What is sad is that the Clintons were wildly popular with african americans until just a short while ago.

[woolldog]

74. And where's the racism in the situation described in the OP

b/c they described Clinton as white? Isn't she? why is that racist or evidence of racism?

[Boz]

15. Yes I can imagine, but I dont need to I just watched Hillary do it on national TV

Can you IMAGINE what the reaction would be if the situation I just described was EXACTLY the same----only the races of the people were changed?

First she said she and her surrogates said she is much stronger with white people and then said that Obama is not electable,
maybe not as euphamistically filled with an expletive,but dog whistle has been exactly the same comment. coming from Hillarys mouth

Theers no way white people will vote for his black ass, indeed.

FUCK race baiting

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. Obama used race to win. Clinton's suggestion that he is unelectable has nothing

to do with race, just like Obama's statement that she cannot beat McCAin has nothing to do with the fact that she is female.

YOu Obama supporters hunt for racism under every rock and then when you can't find it, make it up (IE equating Elitist with Uppity).

Obama used shouts of "Racism!" to win SC. HE is the one injecting race to divide.

[Boz]

She said he can't win WHITE, Obama said she can't win

[AlCzervik]

16. i don't believe your story, not one little bit. Do i believe there may be some

racism among Obama supporters, of course, just like there are some Hillary supporters who are racists but your story sounds like bs.

[Botany]

17. Did I ever tell you about the time I won the Super Bowl,

saved a puppy from a bad home, made love to super model,
and flew the space shuttle all in 1 week?

Your story doesn't pass any sort of smell test.

[Adelante]

18. Sadly, I detect racism by some Clinton supporters.... too

It's human nature, unfortunately. What I don't see is racism (or sexism) on the part of Barack Obama. And that is some of why I support him. What "some" of his supporters do or say is irrelevant.

[Marrah_G]

21. Yup- your post is spot on.

[Quixote1818]

60. Thanks You. Well Put. nt

[oviedodem]

19. I agree with you that it is not right. I am black and I would imagine that those

people are either:

1. influenced by the media

2. truly like that.

Look, at one time the Clintons were REVERED in the black community and I think that the media has helped paint a picture of the Clintons as "secretly" racist. I don't agree with that, although the Clintons have played up this "white working class" more so than the Obama campaign playing up the black vote.

[kevinbgoode]

20. Who invented racism in this country, anyway?

[IsItJustMe]

23. Come on. Do you think anyone is immune from racism. NO.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

24. That happened to me like five times on my way to work this morning. It really did. n/t

[IsItJustMe]

26. You are supporting a candidate that brings out the very worst in people. That is your choice and

the consequences are understandable as well. You sow what you reap.

[global1]

27. Back About A Month Ago When Tina Fey and Amy Poehler Called ......

Hilliary a 'bitch' - Clinton supporters were ok with it. What changed?

[Android3.14]

28. What Greenwood said.

Hypocrisy has no respect for party lines.

[Colobo]

30. Ummm... nah...

[Catherina]

31. That's weird. All I detect is daisies n/t

[aquarius dawning]

54. I thought they were pansies. my bad.

[Breeze54]

34. What? O_M_G!!!

You mean to tell me there are STILL people in the USA that are prejudiced at some part of the human race for a multitude of reasons? That claim race, sex, age, weight, height, education, economic status, place of residence, cars they drive, sexual orientation, hair color; etc, etc, etc, as REASONS to justify their attitudes and votes? Who'd have thunk it? :sarcasm:

[nichomachus]

38. If one Hillary supporter farts

do all Hillary supporters have to say excuse me?

No? I thought so.

Don't hold Obama supporters to a different standard.

[DemGa]

41. It rolls downhill - this is straight from the Obama campaign

No one here is genuinely surprised.

[nichomachus]

64. Pffft

[smoogatz]

42. Thank God none of Hillary's supporters are racist!!!11!!!

Because that would REALLY suck, considering white people are the dominant majority and all, and black people were brought here as slaves, and institutional racism persists in all sorts of vile forms to this very day, and, you know, every credible candidate for president in history until now has been white. Fortunately, we know for a fact that NO ONE who supports Hillary in the primary is doing so because of race.

[NorthernSpy]

43. Was that before or after you took out all those snipers at the airport in Tuzla?

:eyes:

[Pawel K]

45. lol, I almost spilled my coffee when I read that.

[Rose Siding]

82. well said.

[Pawel K]

44. You know, similar thing happened to me

I had my Obama bumper sticker and a group of woman with Hillary 08 shirts walked by and said "I will never vote for that n.....".

See, I posted it, so it must be true. :eyes:

[ecstatic]

46. I bet you're lying. I really do nt

[beachmom]

48. Delete. Not getting involved with this discussion.

[jeffrey_X]

49. "this has happened several times to me"

i'm calling bullshit

[TragedyandHope]

51. Yes, there is racism on both sides

But you can speak out against it and start a dialog to understand where people are coming from. You might gain new insights and appreciation for each others point of view.

You must understand that the tone of this campaign and Hillary's kitchen sink strategy was seen as a direct personal attack and betrayal by many blacks. Obama is certainly not perfect, he's a human being. There are plenty of legitimate issues to question him on, but in this campaign he has been subjected to a ridiculous array of negativity on topics and in ways that white candidates have not. For some doubtful white voters, it may have seemed normal or easily dismissed, but for blacks it was a painful reminder of their history and their own experiences running into barriers in the country (as I can tell many female Hillary supporters felt the same way about her treatment during this race, at least from the comments on DU).

On top of that, the later Clinton camp and media emphasis on how many black votes Obama has and how he can't connect with white voters, is really perceived as a direct insult to black voters and the value of their participation in the political process (and by extension, this country). Simultaneously, this argument is also seen as using the idea of a "scary" monolithic mass of black people as an attempt to strike fear and doubt in the hearts of more susceptible white voters, which is extremely offensive and painful. Doubly so, coming from the Democratic party.

I posted some statistics the other day. White Democratic Presidents have enjoyed 80%+ of the black vote in all recent General Elections and that huge support has never been questioned until now that we have a black candidate in the running. Many blacks are life-long Democrats and many were long-time, loyal Clinton supporters since the early days of Bill's Presidency. Hillary had the majority of black support going into this Primary season. Yes, Obama won some of them over by demonstrating that he was a legitimate candidate with early wins and appealing to them as a candidate who was more in-touch and could make a better leader. On the other side of the coin, Hillary's campaign has offended and alienated even more black voters and pushed them away. Understand that many long-time Clinton supporters feel heartbroken and deeply, personally betrayed by the choices of tone and tactics Hillary made in her campaign. For many, it seemed to contradict what they remembered of Bill and the good things the Clintons used to stand for.

This race isn't about who is the bigger victim out of two groups that have gotten the short end of the stick from society and history. In the end, it's about who will be the better choice to lead this country. As you know, there many factors involved in each voter's personal decision. Judging Hillary on an equal basis and choosing otherwise is showing her as much respect and validity as any other candidate.


The ugly racism and sexism does exist on both sides. I have tried to give you some insight into the emotions behind the offhand offensive comments you heard. I hope you might find yourself in a situation where you can actually open a dialog with people in person. Inevitably, you will probably find that you have more in common than not. Everyone is worried about jobs, their children and families, Iraq, health care, education and gas prices, regardless of sex, race, color, age or even party affiliation. That's why so many people want to see a Democrat in office, no matter which candidate they prefer.

Progress isn't easy, but nothing worth doing ever is. Out of this painful campaign season, a wonderful positive aspect has emerged, that shows America is finally ready to start moving forward and elect leaders based on their leadership and message rather than their sex, race or background. No one can argue that Hillary's support in this race was anything other than massive and historic.

I personally feel that there may have been a different outcome to this race if Hillary had chosen to go in a different direction with her campaign after Super Tuesday.

[cliffordu]

52. Why do I not believe a single word of this post??

[aquarius dawning]

53. Obama supporters racist? ya think?

:think:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

56. Ooh look, a Clinton supporter projecting!

What a shocker. :eyes:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

55. Obviously, those women weren't PROUD2BAMURKIN like you. nt

[Quixote1818]

57. Reading this, it sounds completely made up.

And if it's not, after all of the Clinton campaigns race baiting I can understand their anger though I wouldn't have condoned the use of the word bitch.

[hokies4ever]

59. They're pissed because Hillary's argument now is

that white, working class voters are more important than black voters.

P.S. White people say vile things about Obama too. Sorry to interfere with your rambling with real facts. Carry on. :rofl:

[dionysus]

61. Lee, lee, lee.... quit making shit up...

[rucky]

62. That's seriously fucked up.

You have an alleged incident that leads you to conclude something *specifically* about Obama supporters. Then you whine about being a victim of black racism, and deliver a sanctimonious "racism is bad" message.

Yeah, I suppose there are incidents of bigotry aganst whites, but is this really a cause you want to take on? Because if you do, you have some strange bedfellows in your fight.

So you see how there's a certain level of mistrust about your post. It's easy to dismiss that as just the Obamabots, but so many times we've seen people cry "reverse racism" just to justify their own racist viewpoints that the arguement - no matter how true and how sincere you are about it - holds no water. You can thank the self-serving opportunists for ruining that one for you.

[JimGinPA]

63. Sadly, I detect desperation by some Clinton supporters....

They have nothing positive to post about their losing campaign so they attempt to distract by anecdotal accounts of racism. Pathetic.

[Writer]

65. If you don't believe this story, go rent Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing."

Racism occurs in all shapes, colors, and creeds.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

66. *psst* Do the Right Thing is fiction, just like the OP's story. nt

[Writer]

71. Why do you disbelieve the OP's story?

[Jed Dilligan]

81. C'mon Writer. Isn't that the number one qualification for your job?

A perfectly calibrated bullshit detector?

[Writer]

83. Say whaaaa?

[Jed Dilligan]

84. It's been said that the most important qualification for a writer

is a Grade-A bullshit detector.

[Writer]

87. Who said that?

[Jed Dilligan]

89. I think maybe Robert Anton Wilson, the God of Bullshitters.

Takes one to know one, right?

[Writer]

90. Why do you think the OP is bullshitting?

[Jed Dilligan]

91. Tone and content.

Content-wise: I lived in Deep East Oakland for years and never heard an anti-white slur. Even on their own turf black people generally do not start trouble with white people, because they know how it ends. The times when I've been attacked by a black person, they wanted money from me, which maybe they thought I had because I looked white, but otherwise, race wasn't a factor. The idea of these women with absolutely nothing to gain from it attacking a white lady at the supermarket is bizarre, unless they are mentally ill, in which case their behavior is irrelevant to politics.

I'm not saying it never happens, or it couldn't happen, but the fact that it generally doesn't happen flags the whole tale in my book.

Tone: That's more slippery, harder to grasp. I heard little making-it-up bells jingling when I read it. You didn't? Well, either of us could be right. But I know from experience that I'm pretty good.

[democrattotheend]

67. I've heard some racial slurs on the campaign trail from Clinton supporters

I had one guy tell me he just couldn't vote for a black man, and said "don't you think we give blacks enough for free in this country"?

Another woman called Obama "white trash", which I found particularly odd...how do you call a black man white trash?

I've been called a traitor to my religion by Orthodox Jews, been told to "go shove Barack Obama up your ass", and just yesterday I was called a "string bean" by a fellow DUer.

I've heard a couple nasty things about Hillary from Obama voters on the trail too, and I generally try to defend her when I hear someone say something about her that's not true or just plain nasty.

In summary, both candidates have some nasty supporters, including some who speak in terms that are racially charged. It's going to happen.

[Jed Dilligan]

68. Thing is, your stories are believable.

OP is not.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

69. "I'm Proud2BAmurikan" - Greenwood.

:shrug:

[dogday]

70. Here is my standard reply to these types of threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5882471&mesg_id=5882800

[whistler162]

73. Are you sure they weren't Alan Keyes supporters? n/t

[cottonseed]

75. There's a number of tombstones here which would make up your fictional "3 white ladies"

"If a African-American had an Obama sticker on his vehicle and 3 white ladies walked by and said they would not vote for that Black so-n-so."

Some of them are still posting here on DU. This stuff goes both ways. I've seen it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. If Hillary can't take it

she shouldn't dish it out.

[mindfulNJ]

77. sadly, I detect

a big steaming pile of BS.:7

[casus belli]

78. No one said there wasn't some ignorance on both sides

The difference is that you don't see Obama injecting subtle cues and references to it in his campaign speeches. Hillary is more or less hinging her chances on covincing the supers that Obama cannot win among white blue-collar workers. If Obama came out and said Hillary couldn't win the black vote, you know there would be backlash of monumental proportions.

[Occam Bandage]

79. What a completely credible and totally unfabricated story!

I'm proud to be a murkin, too!

[nvme]

80. Obama is not about racism

He has been clear about since his 04 speech at the Dem convention. Idiots are idiots. I reject all forms of racism as well as any other ism. I hope you will consider not blaming the candidate for their actions

[Arugula Latte]

85. Yeah -- That's NEVER happened that white people said they wouldn't vote for Obama because he's black

Seriously ... :eyes:

[futureliveshere]

86. Agreed.. Racism in any form or manner MUST be rejected.

[mmonk]

88. So? I've been told flat out by some Hillary voters they

won't vote Obama because of his race.

[SoxFan]

92. reap, sow, etc.

[marimour]

93. interesting that those 3 racists have probably freely voted for white candidates all their life