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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 04:50 PM
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MSNBC's headline states Kerry is behind
in the electoral vote. Not according to this:


http://www.electoral-vote.com/

What's Up? Does someone know something I don't?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 04:52 PM
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1. I think someone just WISHES something you don't.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 04:56 PM
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2. That refers to an AP article by Ron Fournier
Some of the states he lists as tossups are actually ones Kerry has decent leads in, like Pennsylvania and Oregon.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 05:34 PM
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3. More right wing spin - Bush is a great leader, Kerry supports terrorists!
What do you expect from the mainstream pro-Bush media?
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 07:41 PM
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4. MSNBC - Bunch of BS - but I'm OK with it - take the Genext poll
Let them think Kerry is behind. It can only do us good.

Here's all the toss-ups:
Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Michigan, West Virginia Pennsylvania and Oregon.

I think Kerry actually leads in the majority of them. Michigan, Pennsylvania, c'mon!

Bush has been to PA 30 times; apparently his strategy is to win the EV by winning PA - ain't going to happen.

But MSNBC says Genext is for Kerry http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5504928/site/newsweek/

Take the online poll
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5504783/site/newsweek/
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 07:50 PM
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5. Not according to the following either
(and all of them are run by Bush supporters):

www.electionprojection.com

http://home.comcast.net/~gerrydal

www.federalreview.com

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 09:11 PM
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6. Here is their email at AP.
You won't ever get an answer, but you will know you tried. They do this all the time.

Send them the links to the website suggested here.
[email protected]
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:57 PM
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7. The same article and misleading headline is on AOL
Isn't Ron Fournier a former fox news "reporter?" It seems like I've seen his name on some very biased reporting before.

It also lists Arkansas as leaning Bush even though out of the last three polls I've seen, Kerry was leading one and in the other two they were tied within the margin of error. Arkansas should have been listed as a toss-up, not leaning toward Bush.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:29 AM
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8. Ron Fournier is a very powerful man in the election
process. His articles are distributed to most of the daily newspapers through the AP wire service. The AP and its IPSOS polling wing are being a little disingenuous here. They are using their own data exclusively which is badly outdated and augmenting it with "discussions with various professionals on both sides". Their "battle ground states" designation is a joke:
Florida and Ohio obviously but Iowa, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Oregon are all currently polling for Kerry from 2-10 points. These are and will be Kerry states, folks.
The new battle grounds are these 2000 Bush states: NV, AZ, CO, AR, LA, MO, WV, NC, VA, TN, NH. It is Bush who is actually trailing badly in the EV count at this point and who has a much, much steeper climb. All that being said I am not sure it is all that damaging to portray Kerry as the underdog. But I do dislike this example of arrogance, incompetence and misinformation spreading throughout the land.
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