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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:18 PM
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"Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton," Bush responded.
Bush-Clinton: A friendship with political uses
By Elisabeth Bumiller
Published: THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 9, 2006

WASHINGTON: When the Bushes and Clintons held hands before 15,000 mourners at Coretta Scott King's funeral this week, it looked like a prayerful moment in the life of the nation.

But as almost anyone watching America's two leading political families knew, underneath the tranquil image was a drama of ambition, rivalry, love and alliance that could shape the 2008 presidential election.

The scene, a riveting tableau in the six-hour celebration of King's life and the political power of black America, offered complex layers of interconnecting relationships - father and son, husband and wife, president and former president, adversary turned ally and first lady turned senator turned probable presidential candidate.

It was one of the most public manifestations to date of the odd friendship and mutual need of two dynasties that, on the surface at least, have almost nothing in common. But as President George W. Bush put it in an interview with CBS News last month, "Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton."

Bush made the remark in a telling exchange with Bob Schieffer, who said, "Well, you know, if Senator Clinton becomes president."

"There we go," Bush said.

"Maybe we'll see a day," Schieffer continued.

"Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton," Bush responded.

Earlier in the interview, when Schieffer noted that Hillary Clinton was "running pretty hard right now for the Democratic nomination," Bush jumped in and called her "formidable," an unusually friendly assessment.


~snip~

People who know both the Clintons and the Bushes said Bush's remark about Clinton was the more honest personal view.

It reflected, they said, the growing friendship between Bill Clinton and Bush's father, the first President Bush, and the powers of a shared experience that just five men alive - the two Bushes, Clinton and former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford - wholly understand.

"They've got this secret handshake that nobody else knows about," said Representative Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat from Illinois who was a top White House adviser to Clinton...

~snip~

The friendship, Democrats and Republicans say, has a political dimension in that Bill Clinton comes off as more statesmanlike and Hillary Clinton more centrist in an embrace with the Bushes, even though the embrace is often fleeting.
...


http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/09/news/rivals.php?page=1

This is the news that prompted this post back in '06:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5606944&mesg_id=5607887
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washingdem Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:21 PM
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1. "Bush jumped in and called her "formidable," an unusually friendly assessment."

Yeah, cause he probably just learned the word 'formidable' and wanted to use it in a sentence.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:23 PM
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4. maybe it was the word
of the day on his desk calendar. hehehe
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:27 PM
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19. Ahhh, but did he pronounce it correctly?

That's the question.



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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:22 PM
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2. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:49 PM
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12. not surprising to see
Clinton in the middle of Bush.

I'm here all week folks.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:22 PM
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3. This land formerly lauded as the land of diversity not intractable divisiveness,
was never intended to be one of dynasties.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:32 PM
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6. stellanoir, you have a gift ...
for words.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:42 PM
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10. thanks
not that it really matters, but every once in a while, my maternal 13th generational american blood lines shines through.

I take the Constitution far too personally.

I've many convoluted reasons for that.

best
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:44 PM
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11. We might be cousins...
I'm maternal 13th generation American too!

:hug:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:57 PM
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17. If Obama and Cheney are cousins anything is possible.
It's kinda kinky though.

LOL
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:37 PM
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8. or oligarchies. n/t
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:50 PM
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13. When this "misadministration" performed their coup in "00
and they kept repeating themselves ad nauseam, I thought "They are lying."

So I made up a term for it. It was "oligarchical hypnogoguery."

Feel free to steal it if you so desire.

Have a nice evening.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:53 PM
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14. "Oligarchical hypnogoguery"..
Descriptive and the more you say it the easier it flows.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:35 PM
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18. yeah the only thing I've to thank * for is making up phrases.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:56 PM
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16. 'oligarchical double helix'
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:42 PM
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22. It is really a propoganda trick learned from the Nazi's. Keep repeating the lie over, and over, ...
and over, until it is believed.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:35 PM
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25. My son said the same thing to me
His RW father came in with him when he was about 8 years old.

His father started espousing all sorts of RW claptrap and I said, "honey I'm going upstairs. I can't listen to this crap."

My kid said "Oh he's just like * He keeps on making stuff up and repeating himself long enough until people believe him."

Out of the mouth of babes.

For sure.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:31 PM
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5. Those names have become two sides of the same coin.
:thumbsdown:
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:36 PM
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7. The Secret Handshake is called Iran-Contra whch had its roots in Arkansas.
Drugs and guns run through the Mena airport.

The Bush and Clinton connection goes back a long way....
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:41 PM
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9. You now, I've been under the impression that all of that was nothing but right wing
haters attacking the Clintons for being liberal and all. Therefore, I have never read anything on the subject of Mena, Arkansas, and such, thinking that I could not trust what I read anyway. I wonder if there are any reasonable sites for info on that topic, or is it all relegated to freeperland, WorldNetDaily and NewsMax, et al?

Funny, Hillary's claim that there was a vast Right Wing Consipacy conditioned this good liberal to not delve into these attacks and to not take them seriously.

Man, and it took me years to get caught up on Bush & Co.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:37 PM
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21. Iran-Contra hit the news when an Arkansas man survived a plane crash in Nicaragua.
Eugene Hasenfuss flew out of Mena, Arkansas.

If you don't understand Mena, you don't understand Iran-Contra and what really has been happening for the past 20 years.

Mena is where the Bush and Clinton families interests converged, so both covered up for what happened there and Iran-Contra.

In battling Communists and their leftist allies, the actions of the Reagan administration strongly suggest that it believed there were almost no legal restraints on what it could do. In 1986, the United States government began selling arms to Iran and using the profits to help the Contra rebels in Nicaragua. Both actions were illegal. Ronald Reagan denied having authorized this program. This turned out to be the tip of a massive iceberg of illegal activity. The US had been selling arms to Iran and Iraq since the beginning of the Reagan administration.

Of far greater importance was the elaborate executive infrastructure, answerable to Vice President George H.W. Bush, to secretly supply the right-wing Contras. Congress cut legitimate aid to a trickle with the two Boland Amendments, making all other assistance of any sort, including the use of US personnel illegal. Another breach of the law occurred in the Reagan-Bush, Sr., years. The NSC and CIA violated the law by advising and provisioning the Contras in Nicaragua. They used US military personnel in some operations against Nicaragua, a violation of the Neutrality Act, which forbids use of force against nation with whom the US is at peace. Later, the violation of the law was compounded when Congress legislated against supplying the contra rebels in Nicaragua. Almost certainly, Bush was deeply involved in operational problems.


http://forwardamerica.blogspot.com/2008/03/underside-of-reagan-revolution.html

For all the talk of Mena as the result of a "vast Right Wing conspiracy", most serious writers on the subject recognize that it was a bi-partisan effort:

There is a standard line you hear when you try to talk to people in Washington, D.C. about the flood of narcotics operations and money laundering in Arkansas during the 1980s. “Oh, those allegations were entirely discredited,” they say. This is not so. Thanks to numerous journalists and members of the enforcement community, the documentation on Mena drug running and the related money laundering is quite serious and makes the case that the government was engaged or complicit in significant narcotics trafficking. This includes the various relationships to employees of the National Security Council, the Department of Justice and the CIA under Vice President Bush’s leadership and to then Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton and a state agency, the Arkansas Development and Finance Agency (ADFA). ADFA was a local distributor of U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) subsidy and finance programs and an active issuer of municipal housing bonds. One of its law firms included Hillary Clinton and several members of Bill Clinton’s administration as partners, including Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster and Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell.

Those convicted and pardoned by President Bush included former Bechtel General Counsel, Harvard trained lawyer Cap Weinberger who as Secretary of Defense had presided over one of the most crime-ridden government contracting operations in U.S. history.<20> Forbes editor James Norman left Forbes in 1995 as a result of Forbes refusal to publish his story “Fostergate,” about the death of Vince Foster and its relationship to the sophisticated software, PROMIS, allegedly used to launder money, including funds for the arms and drugs transactions working through Arkansas. Norman’s story allegedly implicated Weinberger in taking kickbacks through a Swiss account from Seal’s smuggling operation.


http://www.dunwalke.com/4_Narco_Dollars.htm

If this was a Right Wing conspiracy, why would they implicate Bush, Weinburger, Ollie North and others? Whatever the conspiracy is labeled, it included the Clinton's.

One of the best insights into the Clinton's in Arkansas is Partners In Power by Roger Morris, (NOT Dick Morris):

Roger Morris was a National Security Advisor to LBJ who resigned from the NSC to protest Nixon's invasion of Cambodia. He has spoken out publicly encouraging other government employees to resign in protest of Bush's policies. He hardly qualifies as a Right Winger.

As mentioned above, understanding Iran-Contra is needed to understand what has been happening in U.S. politics for the past 20 years. Jim Wright was the a forceful advocate for peace in Central America and as fine a Speaker as the party has had in the past 30 years. He was forced to resign over a silly scandal about book royalties.

Gary Hart was a strong critic of Reagan's Central America policy. An airport he was flying into in Managua was bombed just before he arrived on a visit:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,954049-1,00.html
The Iran-Contra conspirators could expect to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in a Hart presidency. So they had to change the rules about media coverage of a candidate's personal life to attempt to discredit him, while at the same time refusing to report the same stories about Bush:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Fitzgerald
When that didn't work, when over 60% of the American public thought that media coverage of Hart was unfair according to Gallup, they had to print another false rumor that his campaign was "secretly financed" just two weeks before the Iowa caucuses where Hart was leading the polls.

The real story, what remains untold by the MSM to this day, is who was it in the Democratic party was campaigning in the gutter to smear the Democratic front-runner?

Hart was expecting dirty tricks from Bush, but the dirty tricks came from the Clinton camp. (Roger Morris documents this in Partners In Power, pgs. 433-434.)

The "former Hart advisor" who told Newsweek that Hart couldn't "keep his pants on" was James Carville.






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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:49 PM
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26. Just a side note
During the campaign of 92, Clinton's position regarding the Contra War was that he was in favor. I remember because it was one of the reasons I opposed him in the primary.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:40 AM
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27. Clinton was commended by Reagan for helping the Contras.
Clinton sent the Arkansas National Guard to Honduras for training and then left its equipment there for delivery to the Contras.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:55 PM
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15. I think I'm going to be sick ...
x(
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:08 PM
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20. I know exactly how you feel
:hi:
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:52 PM
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23. Jesus...
I :puke:


:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:


I can't wait for them all to go into the shadows...
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:06 PM
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24. I would prefer the spotlight of a criminal trial. n/t
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