POST-PA query: can anyone name one state where Clinton actually closed ground on Obama?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

If so, I'll be inclined to think Indiana, Oregon, South Dakota, and NC are actually in play, rather than easy Obama wins. He's polled ahead exclusively in NC and recently in the last two in Indiana and Oregon, and even leads in South Dakota.

Are the goalposts now firmly stuck half in Kentucky and half in West Virginia, because that looks like all she's got left to hope for. Unless she can somehow manage to hold onto a 13-point lead in Puerto Rico--the sort of lead that has been tenuous at best for her.

So: where's the evidence she can actually MAKE UP GROUND in a state?


http://www.pollster.com/08-OR-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

[NJmaverick]

1. There is none, that's the giants elephant in the room

That the Clintons don't want people talking or thinking about.

[Lisa0825]

2. kick

*crickets*

[MercutioATC]

3. Ohio.

She "closed ground" by 9...now 7...delegates.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. When you are outspent 4-1 it usually works the other way.

[SoonerPride]

When the people who donate all that money also vote, it tends to look the same

Trendline: Obama up, Clinton down

[jackson_dem]

14. Wrong. The popular vote difference is 48.5 to 47.1

Compare that to the fund raising gap of 3:1.

[wileedog]

27. And which campaign decided to ignore the internet and grass roots

to focus on the Big Money backers, who are now bled dry because they have hit their limits?

You act if this is by accident that Obama is out-raising her.

[yourguide]

35. you cant include florida and michigan in the popular vote total.

especially michigan where he wasnt on the ballot.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

36. your magic powers of logic will not work on this debate

[Diamond Dog]

7. Oh, how I love Clintonistas who paint her as the underdog.

When in fact it was quite the opposite going into this thing, back when she had a 3-1 lead in terms of coffers.

(Emphasis on the dog, by the way.)

[lisa58]

5. since she was 20 - 30 points ahead everywhere - no

[izquierdista]

6. State of Denial

She's way ahead there. Also gaining ground in the State of Delusion.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

25. also strong in the State of Delirium and the entire Gaseous State

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. New Hampshire

[stillcool]

9. I don't think so...

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=17&num=16150

HILL TROUNCING RIVALS IN N.H. & OHIO
By IAN BISHOP
January 31, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton has blown past her primary rivals in the 2008 kickoff state of New Hampshire, and bests the field of White House hopefuls in the swing state of Ohio, new polls show.

Clinton's poll bounce comes on the heels of her announcement that she's running, and her much-publicized first campaign foray into Iowa this past weekend.

She had enjoyed a high-tech campaign rollout, featuring a video announcement of her candidacy and three nights of Web chats with supporters.

"We had a great first week and we hope it is a sign of things to come," campaign spokesman Phil Singer told The Post yesterday.

Clinton has jumped out to a 15-point lead in New Hampshire over her leading rival, Barack Obama, 40 percent to 25 percent, the new Survey USA poll shows. Former Sen. John Edwards stands at 23 percent.

Hillary Clinton: Is the Democratic Nomination All Hers?
She doesn’t have the nomination prize wrapped up just yet, but the paper and ribbon are handy.

By Richard Sammon, Senior Associate Editor, The Kiplinger Letter
October 22, 2007
http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Hillary_Clinton_Is_Democratic_Nomination_Hers_071022.html

Hillary Clinton’s lead over her Democratic rivals is starting to look formidable. The N.Y. senator is overshadowing the other presidential hopefuls, pulling way ahead in the polls, in fundraising and in organization.

The media are starting to refer to her as the presumptive nominee, a characterization that must make the other candidates feel frustrated.

CLINTON HAS 33-POINT LEAD
By GEOFF EARLE
October 4, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton has jumped to an astounding 33-point lead over Barack Obama, topping her main rival among every major slice of the electorate and widening a dominating advantage she has held all summer.

Clinton got support from a full majority for the first time in any national survey about the Democratic presidential field. She is backed by 53 percent in the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll.

Obama follows far behind, with 20 percent, and John Edwards has 13 percent.

"I think it's pretty well done, don't you? All over but the voting," said Rep. Tom Petri (D-Wis.), when asked about the poll
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042007/news/nationalnews/clinton_has_33_point_lead.htm

[Tatiana]

11. What do you say? 15-point Clinton lead in New Hampshire? n/t

[stillcool]

38. So much "mis=remembering"

propaganda seepage on the brain.

[Tatiana]

39. Oh cut folks some slack. They probably misremembered due to lack of sleep. n/t

[wowimthere]

10. she's never closed a gap on Obama

[jackson_dem]

12. Iowa

Why does the inevitable front runner Obama, the alleged greatest politician ever, start almost each state down 15-20 points anyway?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

13. because they don't love him 'til they see him.

[jackson_dem]

16. Weird. Name the last front runner in either party with that problem

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

20. when did the last front runner only vault ahead after Super Tuesday?

are you seriously telling me that more people across the nation knew Barack Obama than Hillary Clinton?
really? That's your point?

[jackson_dem]

23. Michael Dukakis 1988 (considering that 96' and 00' weren't really contested)

[harun]

17. Clinton's name recognition and BS polling (n/t)

[TheDoorbellRang]

18. Gosh! I wonder if Clinton name recognition would account for that?

:think:

[jackson_dem]

22. Obama had 97% name recognition 3 months ago. It is probably 99% now

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

24. and, well, lookie here, he's ahead in polls in NC, IN, SD, and OR.

and Clinton's ahead only in KY and WV. And that all-important state on the electoral map: Puerto Rico.

[jackson_dem]

26. Good. So the "he came from behind" excuse won't fly when he loses Indiana in 2 weeks

:thumbsup:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

29. fair enough. now, which excuse are you willing to give up.....

...being outraised ("outspent")
...it's a red state
...it's a small blue state
...it's a medium-sized blue state
...the polls show Clinton is better in 1/3 of the swing states
...you can't trust the national polls or state polls
...FL and MI should have primaries despite what my candidate said
...but he's uppity/elitist
...it's a woman's turn
...what about white voters?
...look over there: black guy shouting!!!!!!
...he knew Ayers while Clinton's husband was pardoning two Weathermen
...he would have voted for the IWR, too...I can just feel it
...you can't blame Clinton for the IWR
...the Iraq War Resolution wasn't a War Resolution
...it's a caucus state
...there are farms in that state
...she's the underdog now
...the superdelegates are more important than the actual delegates
...the popular vote doesn't matter anymore
...the total delegate count doesn't matter
...the pledged delegates will switch
...it doesn't matter who wins the most states
...McCain is worse than Bush
...nobody's bitter and if they are they should shut their yaps
...Mark Penn isn't with the campaign as much anymore, except on conference calls and for some polling
...Bill meant to make his historical reference to John Edwards in 04 after SC, not Jesse Jackson in 84
...we can't use anymore of our money to pay off our campaign debts
...we have a campaign debt, what do you expect to happen?
...we don't have a campaign debt, send us money
...we've paid all our bills and this is the thanks we get
...the superdelegates owe the Clintons
...he's unelectable despite the money, support, head-to-head polls vs.McCain, and what Clinton admitted
...Clinton's been vetted, except for the stuff we don't know
...there's SOOOOOO much we don't know about who Barack Obama played with in the sandbox in 1972
...but, have you seen him in Somali garb?
...he can't bowl
...he's a wimp
...he's a Muslim
...he's tied to an angry Christian
...he's risky
...pssst...he's...you know...just look at him
...Michele Obama said something
...when Ed Rendell praises Farakhan it's different because Rendell isn't an angry black man
...3AM, whatcha gonna do?
...his name has a "Hussein" in it
...she really did think she was under sniper fire (whoopsie, just a mistatement)

[TheDoorbellRang]

33. Dang. That is a really long list

Sounds like some serious whining going on there, doesn't it?:rofl:


edited for typing spasms

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

34. naw, she just has a big damn sink

[aaaaaa5a]

37. LOL..... Great Post

and very true!!!

[City Lights]

15. If she's not expected to win, she declares that that state doesn't count and

moves on to the next one where she has the advantage.

I don't understand how will she compete in swing states in the GE against McCain with that attitude.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

40. I hope PA will be dead to her tomorrow night.

[GoesTo11]

19. Looks like none - had to check my memory

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Jackson_Dem - HRC started ahead because she was well-known. Did you know she had 35 years of experience?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

21. yes, why are they still campaigning then, pissing millions of $$$ instead prepping for the GE?

[jordi_fanclub]

28. One state... let's see... AH-AH!... I know that!... KAZAKSTAN!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

[cottonseed]

30. That's why Obama would probably win California today.

Hillary's "big" state argument is shaky:

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/03/27/new-poll-weakens-clinton-supporters-electoral-college-argument.html

[mmonk]

31. It's not about making up ground at this point, it's about trying to generate

some sort of momentum and damaging the leader to convince superdelegates to give the election to her.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

32. wait a minute....that sounds a little cynical to me.