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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:24 AM
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Why can't Obama put it away?
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 07:26 AM by yadayadayada
He's got the most money, he's got the speeches, he's gotten big endorsements, his campaign has been run perfectly (according to Obama supporters here) he's got the zealous supporters. Why can't he put it away?

Spelling change.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:29 AM
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1. Because his opposition is the second most entrenched family in American politics
To get rid of the tick, you have to be sure to dig deep, enduring the pain, and get the head.(That's a Texas idiom)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:34 AM
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7. He can't put it away because..
the longer the campaign go on, the more people are skeptical of his character and background..

He's never been VETTED- No one knows who he is. As time goes on people aren't liking the popular fresh face selling dreams and promises. They simply don't Trust him because he has no record to point to. People aren't as STUPID as Obama thinks they are!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:05 AM
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44. That's exactly what is going on...
He's not ready and the voters are beginning to take serious note.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:50 PM
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83. Obama may be able to dupe the college kids..
and have them out in force. But the old fogies who know better aren't buying his brand of unprincipled politics.

Obama epitaph will read: "I flipped the bird at my opponent; and lost the nomination." and that is how he will be remembered.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:04 PM
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86. The more educated voters are more likely Obama supporters.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 09:06 PM by PseudoIntellect
Clinton supporters are more likely to be low-information voters.

College kids make up a very small portion of the electorate because of low turnout; they make up less % of the vote than the percentages Obama has won most of his primaries by. So don't spew that junk.

Hillary should have won this two months ago. I wouldn't be questioning the one who has had all the superdelegate momentum and increased his lead across every category throughout the last few months.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:23 PM
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92. The educated and uneducated aren't blind to his childish antics of late
Obama is the most pathetic candidate we've ever had run in a Dem campaign.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:42 PM
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95. I guess affirmative action and 100% positive media coverage would be the
reasons why he is ahead, then.
:sarcasm:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:42 AM
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103. When has Obama be able to take criticism?
He's an easy mark for negative criticism.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #83
89. BS. I support Senator Obama and I am no college kid. The old politics and soap opera leadership of
the Clinton's I think America can do with out.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #89
107. Richard Mellon Scaife and the Clintons have set Obama Up
Listen to rightwing radio
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #83
111. Exactly.
Madame President!!!

Go Hillary!!
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:33 AM
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50. You're right! He's never been vetted.
However, Hillary hasn't been vetted ENOUGH! The GOP are going to go after her lies about Bosnia and the S-CHIP program.

Plus, I'm sure there are other things (missing billing records?) that will come up again to reinforce that voters cannot "trust" her.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:44 PM
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78. not likely..
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #7
70. heh, even my republican boss plans on voting for him
would rather have Obama than McSame, and can't stand HRC.





As Maine goes......
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #70
80. My grandmother is voting for Hillary..
I guess they will cancel each other out..
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:58 PM
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84. Nope, The establishment candidate wins large well established political machine states, that is all
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #7
87. Quit Lying
The only reason she won the popular vote in Texas was because Republicans helped her out. He still won the delegate count.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #87
96. That is another Obama fairy tale. Rethugs in Texas voted 53-46 FOR Obama
Clinton won Democrats 53-46. Oh, and in Ohio they were tied among rethugs while Clinton win Democrats 56-42.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:48 AM
Response to Reply #96
104. And what does it mean anyway - other
than trouble making?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:26 PM
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62. Excellent metaphor!!!
Well played, Y'all!

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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 03:10 PM
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71. The Kennedys are not opposed to Obama
What's up with comparing them to a tick?
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:55 AM
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106. Richard Mellon Scaife and the Clintons have set Obama Up
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:30 AM
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2. then there is this theory
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:44 AM
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17. Dennis Kucinich dispels that theory
He asked for a recount in NH looking for vote irregularities and there were NONE!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:01 AM
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26. You were not in touch with the activists who found slashed ballot boxes,
had to go on high speed chases on windy Mountain roads following the vans carrying the ballots, and were not allowed bathroom breaks when they were trying to count.

They ran out of money and time.

So you think it's reasonable that all of the hand counted ballot totals favored Obama and the all the electronically tallied totals favored Hillary ?

Fine. I won't argue it any further.

Peace
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #26
39. ignore is your friend.
When the most rabid hillaryans start forgetting facts, and spew spin as truth, tis better to simply put them out of sight, out os mind. At least until after tomorrow.

Then, when they start acting human again, we can chat.

Today will be the worst. They will be (are,case in point) out in force, spewing like a volcano and spinning like a bass lure.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:42 PM
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77. Dennis is not a shrinking violet..
if there was anything to what you say that resulted in a voter tally counter to what it should have been, we would have heard about it by now. Dennis would never be silent if he believed there was tampering because silence is not an attribute of his persona.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:30 AM
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3. because Clinton's still deep in De Nile
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:31 AM
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4. She retains advantages with women, older whites and low information white voters
In some states, that's difficult to overcome. In a general election environment when those folks will have to choose between him and a conservative Republican, he'll get just about all of them to vote for him.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:32 AM
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5. gad. the same shit gets posted over and over and over
On GDP it's groundhog day every day.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:38 AM
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10. Actually, the OP's post appears to the media's talking point of the day.
Scarborough has been banging away on that drum all morning. Anything to keep that horse race going and to keep McCain alive too.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:12 AM
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30. good if that is true as it will case DOUBT in voters.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
67. did you ever imagine you would see these types of posts
a few months ago? it's totally amazing.

Obama was never supposed to be in this position and now he can't "close" it? These people have simply GOT to be kidding me.

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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:32 AM
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6. He has put it away....
It's is just that Hillary doesn't want to drop out and her supporters scream sexism anytime that there is a call for her to drop out.

Her not quiting when she should is hardly "Obama not putting it away."




Just to flip this on you... when is Hillary even going to get the option to possibly put "it away?" I love how Clinton supporters point to Obama "not putting it away" as some kind of talking point against him... the whole time that Hillary is on the ropes and is no where near "putting it away" herself.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:36 AM
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8. He's already won the nomination
We all know that it's just a myth that Clinton still has a ghost of a chance to win the nomination. Politico ran an article about this a while back:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:44 AM
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16. still living in the Obamabubble I see.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:34 AM
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52. It beats drinking the Clinton Kool-Aid!
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:49 AM
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21. That's old news
Two weeks ago I said there's no way Hillary can win.

With Obama's recent San Fran comments, and the recent debate, I think she still has a chance. It's a small chance but it is more likely than two weeks ago. I think Hillary will win PA. If she wins the upcoming string of primaries (she'll lose NC), she still can't catch him in delegates. BUT: she will close the gap and make it more palapable for a SD to vote for her.

Obama is getting pounded in the MSM lately. Won't matter all that much in the primaries, but the SD's are thinking about the GE. If internal polling data shows that Obama gets his ass handed to him in November, then they could vote for Hillary despite her being behind in delegates and popular votes.



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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:08 AM
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46. won't happen. if obama doesn't get the nod, it can't be hillary.
it's that simple. if Obama is denied the nomination, there will have to be a third option. Bank on it.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:58 AM
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54. Why not?
Why can't it be Hillary? Is it because it would be too bitter a fight? Or no chance to win in November?

Can the power-brokers simply install a brand-new candidate who never even competed in any primaries?

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:35 PM
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66. they can & they will....
the only other option would be for hillary to accept the v.p. spot, which I hope Obama would never offer to begin with.

Hillary will not have the needed support among the net/grassroots. Too much has happened now, and she's run one of the dirtiest campaigns since the swiftboating of John Kerry in '04. Hillary will not be the nominee.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #46
97. Edwards!
:D
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:11 AM
Response to Reply #97
110. He's appealing
but Hillary ran the race.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:37 AM
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9. Kind of begs the question: How does Hillary ever find herself in this position?
She once had far, far more money than anyone, was way ahead in the polls at one time, was the presumptive nominee. How did she ever allow an upstart like Obama to get ahead of her in delegates and money raised until it is to the point where she is a long, long shot to ever get the nomination? Why didn't Clinton put Obama away months ago?
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:39 AM
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11. Why can't Clinton put it away?
She's got the most money at the beginning, she's got the party establishment, she's gotten big endorsements. Why can't she put it away?
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:39 AM
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12. Why didn't the inevitable nominee put it away from the start..what does it say about her?
She had tons of money, name recognition..so why didn't she put it away. Fair question.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:40 AM
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13. What happened to Hillary? She was the biggest frontrunner in American political history
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:41 AM
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14. The wisest fireman can't get a foot-stomping little girl to come down from
the roof.

As arrogant and hyper-entitled as many of Sen. Clinton's strategists appear to be, they are all bright folks who know they've lost this nomination fight weeks ago on Feb. 5th.

Two singular components: 1) Obama's late surge in Missouri, a battleground state, despite the Associated Press projecting Clinton the winner; and 2) the Feb. 19th blowout in Wisconsin, a battleground state, with Obama filling the Kohl arena to overflow a week before the election and Clinton barely filling a 3500-4000 venue a couple days before the vote. No pollsters needed in the WI primary; that one demonstrated beyond a doubt that she had absolutely no question in her mind that she'd knock off all comers on Feb. 5th. Obama outflanked her and went on to win 12 of the next 15 contests after Feb. 5th, and took the lead nationally. He's got a pile of cash left; she's flat broke, running in debt.

When the little girl is done pouting and foot-stomping and holdng her breath up on the roof, she'll come down on her own.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #14
47. OC...you never disappoint. What an apt analogy.
And let's hope she doesn't break anything else coming down from that roof.:toast:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #47
53. Hi, Tarheel_Dem. Yep. If she wants to jump into the net instead,
that would be ok, but I say we leave her in there until she takes back her praise of McCain.


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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #53
55. Could not agree more..........nt
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
81. Spot on nt
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:43 AM
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15. Clinton, -Behind From Day One-

Senator Clinton has trailed from day one, not because of her gender, but because the organization she put together, failed her as a candidate. She remains in the race because of her personal qualities of tenacity, determination, and strength. Her inability to instill her personal attributes into her organization explain why she is behind.

Obama has not been in the lead in this race, from the very beginning, because of his race. He has held the lead because of the superior organization and uplifting campaign he has put together. Senator Obama's organizational success' explain why he is ahead and provide insight as to what kind of a president he will be.

mike kohr
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:46 AM
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18. I say...His lies are cating up!
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 07:47 AM by indimuse
Why Obama’s circle of friends matter

What do all of these people/organizations have in common?

William Ayers (Weatherman Underground bomber, unrepentant domestic terrorist)
Jeremiah Wright (Black Liberation militant, racist, and Pastor)
Tony Rezko (Corrupt Financier, ties to Terror Financing)
Auchi (Corrupt Iraqi Billionaire financier fugitive)
Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam Leader, racist, anti-American)
Hamas Terrorist Organization (Islamic Terrorist Organization)
Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Islamic Terror Irganization)
Raila Odinga (Fundamental Islamic Candidate, Kenya, Obama’s Cousin)
Daniel Ortega (Marxist Sandinista Leader. Nicaragua)
The New Black Panther Party (Black Militant Organization, anti-American and racist)



THEY ALL:ARE ENEMIES OF AMERICA


SUPPORT BARRACK OBAMA
Not only is this candidate NOT qualified to be President of the United States, I would argue that he has no place in the US Senate based upon his radical misjudgement of those whom he associates with and his lack of condemnation for terrorists/anti-Americans who support him.

Obama does not have the best interest in mind for America but rather dreams of Obama's mixed up confused idea of what Obama _nation should lQQk like!

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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:50 AM
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23. Of COURSE You Have A Cartoon With Rove In It
And THAT'S why Obama hasn't put it away - Hillary's doing the work now so McSameAsBush can win come November -- and she continues to bamboozle dupes like you who think Hillary's about anything but Hillary.

When will YOU wake up? After we become the next protectorate of China?
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:55 AM
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24. did you get lost on the way to...
www.freerepublic.com?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:58 AM
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25. I know i know...
you are suffering from, Obama gonna lose tomorrow syndrome...:(
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:28 PM
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65. I've accepted that there are enough idiots and racists
to keep Hillary barely afloat. But I take comfort in the fact that it won't make a dent in Obama's delegate lead.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:10 AM
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29. WTF is racial misjudgement? n/t
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:32 AM by dbmk
I must admit I do not have 1000+ posts here.

But when I read the description of this forum I was pretty sure that it was a place I could hang out and learn and hear from americans that had a political perspective close to my own.

And for a large part that has been very true.

But not in my wildest dreams did I imagine seeing a post like that go by without a swift kick in the butt.
I admit have not been here long enough to make that call, so can someone tell me if I have misunderstood something about being democratic and progressive?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #29
43. welcome to DU!
You learn fast...or be eatin up!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #29
59. Hang On.
Things will change fast after Obama is declared the presumptive nominee......maybe tomorrow.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:27 AM
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34. Is that your list for the day?
brings back memories...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."



Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html




Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.


ABC News
Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
By JUSTIN ROOD

Feb. 22, 2008—

The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories
about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.
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"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001. (Obama's ties to the radical group first surfaced last week in a Bloomberg News article.)

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article
from Politico.com reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another former member of the radical group.

Opting to leave any attacks on the issue to the GOP may be wise, as attacks from Clinton could backfire. In his final day in office, President Clinton pardoned another one-time member of the Weather Underground, Susan L. Rosenberg, after she had served 16 years in prison on federal charges.

Rosenberg had been arrested in 1984 while unloading 740 pounds of dynamite, a submachine gun and other weapons from the back of a car.
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And in 1999, President Clinton also pardoned 16 violent Puerto Rican nationalists responsible for more than 100 bombings of U.S. political and military installations, after they promised to renounce violence. The attacks reportedly killed six people and wounded dozens more. In justifying the pardons, President Clinton noted none of the men had been convicted of crimes that resulted in death or injuries.

At the time, the first lady said she opposed her husband's decision to free the men, who had by then each served more than 19 years in prison for crimes including armed robbery and illegal weapons possession. The reason, a spokesman said then, was that the men had taken too long -- more than three weeks -- to agree to renounce any future violent activity.
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4330128



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance

By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.


On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.



http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager.
The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
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Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."




Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.


CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...

On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/

Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:56 AM
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40. you're frothing at the mouth. it's unseemly.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:47 AM
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19. Why is he even in the lead since he's up against the Clinton Machine?
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 07:48 AM by sparosnare
Hillary Clinton has spend the last 8 years working for this election; building a formidable machine of big-money backers and a supposed network of state by state supporters. Not to mention her husband was a very popular president with whom she shares a name.

WHAT HAPPENED?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:48 AM
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20. When there are 6 weeks without any voting, it's impossible for anyone to put it away.
Once the voting gets started again, you'll see Hillary get put away.

Be ready for Hillary's last Hurrah in PA
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:10 AM
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28. Good point
Six weeks of nothing.

Hillary will win PA and extend this mess even longer.

And I am never wrong. :)

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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:50 AM
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22. Didn't Hillary say this would all be over by February 5th?
Why wasn't SHE able to put it away?

And, while we're on the subject, can you explain why she feels that, unless this race continues all the way to the convention, somehow voters are being disenfranchised yet a few months ago, she wanted and fully expected to shut this down before Pennsylvania and North Carolina and Virginia and numerous other states had a chance to have their say?

What changed?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:04 AM
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27. why can't Hillary put it away? She had a 20+ lead a year ago?
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:15 AM
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31. Because of the uneducated beer drinkers (per MSM). nt
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:17 AM
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32. Another lonely day in IL for you?
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:17 AM by Kittycat
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:25 AM
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33. My unvarnished opinion is because he is a black man running against a whole shit load of ignorance
and stupidity. This is to be expected.

In my humble opinion, a white person would have never been attacted on all of the trivial and petty issues like Obama has.

This is to be expected. After over two hundred years of white males running for president, it puts people a little out of their confort zone.

It is what is and my hat off to Obama. He takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'.
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truth please Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:47 PM
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94. Yeah we all know the code word for
"I'm a racist is, cultural voter". At least Ed Rendell had that much honesty before he was shot down. He, Pat Buchanan and Chris Matthews know that part of the country very well, but to keep things going they all spout the same line "why can't he close her out" when they know perfectly well that the people won't vote for a black man.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:30 AM
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35. The political establishment in PA has a strong love for the Clintons
Bill did a lot for the state. However, the momentum seems to be going for Obama now. She's not gonna win by the 20 points that she was ahead in the polls before.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:31 AM
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36. Because he refuses to play the same dirty politics game that Hillary is playing
Don't delude yourself - there is still PLENTY of dirt on Hillary that Obama could bring up, but doesn't. It makes it harder for him to win, but he is able to look himself in the mirror in the morning, which I doubt Hillary can do at this point.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:42 AM
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37. In any war, it's the *LOSING SIDE* who decides when the war is over.
The war won't end until either:

1) Hillary decides she's lost, or

2) She runs up against a hard deadline (such as the
convention or the General Election).

And with regard to item two, well, there's always 2012
so maybe even a hard deadline won't stop her.

Tesha
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:46 AM
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38. Walter Brennan in "To Have and Have Not":
'Was you ever bit by a dead bee?'
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:58 AM
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41. Obama put her away on Super Tuesday.
Somehow Hillary had a brain storm she was going to take out Obama, so she lent herself $5 million the next day after her Super Tuesday devastating defeat by Obama.

Hillary is just a Huckabee want to be. At least Huckabee stays on the sidelines and isn't bringing McSasme down like Hillary.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:39 AM
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56. that's correct!!
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:53 AM
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105. Exactly.
Super Tuesday was a great day for Obama and a very bad day for Hillary. She should have locked it up then; instead, Obama put himself in position to take the lead. Then Obama won BIG victories in the next 11 contests.

He came from way to behind to take a lead in this race that Hillary cannot overcome to win. She is hanging in it to convince the Democratic Party to give it to her anyway.


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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:58 AM
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42. Cause he's running against Hillary Clinton...
and even though she can't win without destroying the party in the process, she still refuses to give up?
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CK dexter Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:07 AM
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45. Because the MSM has begun to turn on him with a vengeance
No one else would have held up as well.
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DiceK Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:18 AM
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48. The media won't let him put it away.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:18 AM
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98. The media is why he came from nowhere to the Dem prez front runner in 3 1/2 years
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 12:19 AM by jackson_dem
If the MSM did its job he would not have reeled off 11 in a row, which is where his margin comes from. Since then he is, assuming he loses PA, 2-4 in legitimate elections (0-3 in big states) and 3-4 if you count the sham 2.5% turnout caucus in Wyoming.
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madwivoter Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:26 AM
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49. Why didn't Clinton put this thing away on Super Tuesday?
I mean, that was her campaign's great assumption wasn't it?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:34 AM
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51. Dumb question.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:40 AM
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57. Why couldn't Hillary with her name recognition, money, status beat a relative newcomer to the
political stage?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:46 AM
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58. He pretty much has.
It's just taking the pro-corporate media a while to realize it and tell you.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:25 PM
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60. He did
In Wisconsin.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:26 PM
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61. He will tomorrow.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:28 PM
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63. Neither of them can "put it away".
Therein lies the problem. Neither of them has the delegates to win so we are at a stalemate.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:28 PM
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64. Early voting
If so many (in CA. for example) did not drink the Hillary is the anointed one Kool Aid last summer, this race would have been history way before now.
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:01 PM
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68. because Clinton is a very formidable opponent...
and Hillary Clinton has been loved by a large portion of the democratic party for a very long time, many people respect her and have felt that she would be a great President.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:06 PM
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69. Better question. Why is he ahead in the first place? Going in Clinton held all the cards.
The only reason he has the money and endorsements is because of the success he has had.
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 03:13 PM
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72. Demographics don't suit him in PA
it will be put away May 6. He will sweep NC and IN and it'll be all over.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 03:15 PM
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73. It's tricky, but I think this video explains it pretty well:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 03:15 PM
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74. Because a horse race means ratings for the media, so they keep her artificially intact
by treating her as a legitimate candidate.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 03:16 PM
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75. It is a done deal. You just can't reconcile yourself to the fact.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 03:18 PM
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76. I know of no one with the nerve to fight that logic.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:45 PM
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79. Actually he has LOL. All he has to do is run out the clock. It's only the media that is propping
this primary up now.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:49 PM
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82. Do you take dictation from Pat Buchanan?
The echo chamber is working perfectly, though!

:crazy:
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:02 PM
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85. Because people are racist
not that hard to figure out
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:07 PM
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88. He doesn't have the old political machine pushing him- he has to do it on his own.
The Clinton's have been demanding pay-up for past favors and positions.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:10 PM
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90. He hasn't won yet because
the clock has also not run out yet. We all know how many times the Clintons have used their goalpost-shifting strategy after losses. She won't drop out. And for that reason...

...it would be like asking why the team ahead 100-85 with 5 minutes left in a basketball game hasn't won yet.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:12 PM
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91. Why can't Hillary?
At least I'm supporting the candidate who's doing the best.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:33 PM
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93. because he`s a weakling
he has nothing to offer, he`s inexperienced,and worse he thinks he is entitled. he`s a one trick pony and millions are seeing through his facade. we will lose the general election if he becomes the nominee and if the people that voted for him and the delegates do not see this then it`s up to us to tell the super delegates that hillary is the candidate that can beat john...................






oh my god what a fucking nightmare..i just dreamed i was a hillary supporter
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:20 AM
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99. Uh he did put it away, back in feb when he won 10 straight. the rest is just denial from clinton
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:21 AM
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100. 90% of the replies, as usual, switch the topic back to Clinton
There does seem to be buyer's remorse with Obama. He was 11-0 from after Super Tuesday and then when the MSM began vetting him a bit he has, assuming he loses PA, gone 2-4 in legitimate elections, including 0-3 in big states, and is only 3-4 if you count the sham 2.5% turnout caucus in Wyoming. Add to that a split on 5/6, him losing WV, KY, PR and giving him Oregon he will be heading into Montana and South Dakota 4-8 in legit elections and 5-8 overall.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:26 AM
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101. He has put it away, but Clinton refuses to withdraw anyway.
What is Obama supposed to do, hogtie her and physically pull her off the stage? There is no way for him or the party leaders to force her to withdraw if she doesn't want to.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:29 AM
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102. Well, Why can't you ask a question
I heard Chris Matthews ask a couple hours ago??
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Galway girl Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:02 AM
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108. The question is why didn't Hillary put it away last February
I am sorry but let's be honest nobody thought this was anything but a one horse race a 6 months ago . Obama shouldn't be in the lead and yet there he is . He has basically won the nomination . She is hanging in because she can't beleive it's over . Unfortunately the downside is the only way she thinks she can win now is to destroy Obama's reputation and this is sad because i think they could have been a great team
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:02 AM
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109. Because the Clinton's are vampires sucking the blood
out of the democratic party. Hillary and Bill will destroy the party and its nominee if it ain't her.

Apparently they could give a shit if Mccain gets elected.

Actually that is the outcome they desire so Hillary can run again in 2012.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:55 AM
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112. Why can't Hillary put it away?
is the more appropriate question? She was the inevitable candidate. Obama is challenging her in states like NY, CA, and PA and winning in other states that Democrats do not usually win in the general election.
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