Aw shucks. Bush lost every single debate, 2000 AND 2004. Still won.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Why? He was more likable. That plus a little base-pandering and election-stealing.

Regardless of the obvious fact that they were just piling crap on Obama and treating Clinton with kid gloves, he came through it all as well as you could expect. He's a pretty good debater, perhaps not quite as good as Clinton but certainly better than McCain. In the end it won't matter. If one thing's been made clear by the American Public, it's that they don't take too much stock in debates these days when it comes to choosing their candidate.

GOBAMA (and that's the first time I've ever said that.)

[Undercurrent]

1. Well said!

:toast:

[jobycom]

2. Bush won because the media (and the Supreme Court) wanted him to win.

Come November, McCain will be the likable one, and the media will have Obama turned into an elitist, angry, special interest candidate that no one trusts--not because he is any of those things, but because McCain will give their parent corporations bigger tax breaks than Obama, and the media outlets are simply the advertising departments for their parent corporations, and thus the Republican Party, these days.

[FlyingSquirrel]

4. In that case Hillary loses too - the media doesn't like her any better.

They enjoy making fun of her. If it's just up to the media, then how could any Democrat win? And if Hillary's going to give them everything they want, would she still be a Democrat?

[jobycom]

6. Because she at least has experience handling it

They hated Bill, too, but he won. Obama showed tonight he can't handle it.

[FlyingSquirrel]

10. Hmmm, Rachel Maddow had the complete opposite reaction

And I kinda agree with her, he handled it ok.

[jobycom]

12. Rachel Maddow is smart and inciteful, but she's grading Obama on the curve.

He might have managed to survive this because they've hyped him so much until last night, and done such a number on Clinton that some people can't even see her anymore. But with McCain, the battle will start fresh, and by the end Obama will look out of his league, and McCain will look like the nice, smooth, moderate, experienced guy.

[shaniqua6392]

7. This is something I have been saying all along.

All of this infighting will not matter in the end. The media is going to begin to smear our candidate as soon as he/she is nominated. They do not want a Dem in the White House. It makes me sick how those that support Obama give high praise to the media for all the positive coverage. The media is no friend to the Democrats. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[deutsey]

3. I would say "a lot of election stealing" especially in 2000

Regardless of how "likeable" some may think his persona is (that view has always baffled me), Bush lost 2000. His daddy, brother, Rove, and daddy's friends gave him the presidency.

[Perry Logan]

5. In my book, the Republicans have lost the last FOUR Presidential elections.

[Island Blue]

8. He was more likable? On what planet?

Sorry, that's as far as I got reading your post. The rest of it may have made sense, the Bush being more likable part, not so much.

[Orsino]

9. He was more likable because the TV told us he was.

Kerry, of course, was an elitist French multimillionaire who selfishly hoarded the sound bites we needed to make our decision.

[FlyingSquirrel]

11. "Seemed more like an average joe" I guess is what I meant

but it was just a clever facade that fooled enough people to get him in there.

[Sinistrous]

13. He also had the benefit of a numbingly partisan MSM that dutifully claimed

that he "won" each deebate, despite the fact that he had been shredded by Gore and Kerry in every debate.