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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:03 PM
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Poll: By 2 To 1, Dems Not Offended By Obama's Comments
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/14/pa-voters-divided-over-ob_n_96686.html



SHENANDOAH, Pa. — Yes, some Democrats in Pennsylvania's Rust Belt communities were upset by Barack Obama's suggestion that voters there "cling to guns or religion" because of bitterness about their economic lot. But many more seem to think it was no big deal _ and if there's a problem it's with the political slapfest that has followed.

Obama's comment, which the Illinois senator made during a San Francisco fundraiser last week, set off an exchange of insults between the final contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination as they vie for blue-collar support in the state's April 22 primary. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has criticized the comment as "elitist," while Obama has mocked the New York senator's own recent emphasis on support for gun owners' rights.

In interviews Monday in Pennsylvania communities like the ones to which Obama referred, Democrats on both sides of the race were divided over the controversy.

"It's so difficult to watch every word," said Mary Ellen Matunis, a Clinton backer from Shenandoah.

"I was not offended," she said. "Poor choice of words, but I think it was just misspoken."

Matunis, 56, is a retired teacher in this central Pennsylvania borough of barely 5,000 residents that was once a boom town of the anthracite coal industry. But that industry has been on the decline for longer than most residents have been alive, and the textile factories that followed are gone too.

Dennis Yezulinas, another Clinton supporter in Shenandoah, said he is more offended by the rhetorical fight that followed Obama's comment than by the remark itself.

"Not just for the good of the Democratic Party, but for the good of the country, they need to make it less contentious," said Yezulinas, a former state prison guard who has been laid off from a plant that manufactures doors in a neighboring town.

In the southeastern Pennsylvania community of Coatesville _ a once booming steel city outside of Philadelphia that now has empty storefronts downtown _ two Clinton supporters sharing a meal at a Coatesville restaurant said they felt Obama was wrong to stereotype small-town voters.

"It's like we're not smart enough to understand what the politicians are saying. It's an insult to our intelligence," said Susan Kamerdze, 50.

Mike Zemacke, 57, said that, while Coatesville has seen better days, he's not bitter. He said he used to work as a press operator before a disability led him to retirement.

"I'm just frustrated," he said. "I used to live a lot better than this."

At another Coatesville eatery, lifelong resident Armon Richardson said he remains firmly committed to Obama.

"We're getting in the silly season," said Richardson, 33, a computer analyst. "It's being overanalyzed."

In Pottsville, a city south of Shenandoah that also thrived during the coal boom and is now known as the home of Yuengling beer, coffeehouse owner Mary Ann Price, 56, said she is undecided about which candidate will get her vote in the primary, but that Obama's remarks won't affect her decision. She said she is more concerned about U.S. standing in the international community.

"The whole world hates us, and with good reason," she said.

Mike McGeever, 47, a Clinton backer who works for a neighborhood revitalization agency in Pottsville, called Obama's comment "uninformed, rather than elitist."

"To throw a blanket indictment out there against the people in this area, it is definitely patronizing," he said.

Truck salesman Bob Bildheiser, 49, said he is tentatively supporting Obama and that he agreed with the point that Obama was trying to make about the nation's economic problems.

"The people are bitter about the economy, about jobs, about the gas prices. It's terrible," he said.

At the California event, Obama said some small-town voters bitter about their economic circumstances "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Clinton, who polls show still leading in the Pennsylvania primary, criticized the comment as "elitist and divisive," and suggested that it could cost Democrats the presidency if Obama were the nominee. Obama said he was disappointed by Clinton's criticism and questioned her opposition to the NAFTA free-trade agreement that some voters believe eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs.

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Associated Press writers Kathy Matheson in Coatesville and Peter Jackson in Harrisburg also contributed to this report.


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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:05 PM
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1. Most voters are interested in the main issues not some sidestep
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:02 PM
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18. His comments had nothing to do with the issues, a big reason why the
MSM ate it up. They never want to bring up any important issues. People are being fooled this time around, we are too pissed off.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:08 PM
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2. BO bitters has little to do with being offended...........
it has EVERYTHING to do with obama being an arrogant elitist who is out of touch.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:22 PM
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4. Hillary has worked the night shift at Wal-Mart's corporate HQ. She's made 109 million dollars. She
feels the little guys and gals pain.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:08 AM
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8. NO ONE within the BELTWAY feels and knows the little guy's pain.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 07:09 AM by Double T
HRC is at least intelligent enough to understand it, while BO reduces the little guys to gun toting religious fanatics. I'll take a brilliant woman over a condescending idiot any day.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:56 AM
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14. My Senators both do.
If you don't think Bernie understands the pain of poor and working people, you need to inform yourself. That's entirely what he's focused on for decades.

And tough shit for you that most people don't see Obama through your ugly Hillary lens, and that she's toast.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:29 PM
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6. sounds like your out of touch to me.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:02 AM
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7. dreaming and denial must be a beautiful thing.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:56 AM
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17. Maybe you can bring in a guy from NJ to be in your commercial too
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:53 AM
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12. Evidently not
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:03 AM
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15. LOL wrong!
"We have ALL got to get it RIGHT this time. Make sure YOU are not the ONE who screws it up!"

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:20 PM
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3. People are bitter. They're pissed. And balking at Obama telling the truth about that...
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 10:23 PM by Triana
...isn't going to help get those people's jobs back - the jobs that the CLINTONS' NAFTA program took away. Bitching because Obama told the truth won't help them get or afford healthcare either. Or help them afford food, heat, medication, and fuel.

GOP/Hillary (Gillary) needs to get their f*cking priorities in order and start WORRYING about someone other than THEMSELVES. THAT is the difference between them and Obama. It's all about PRIORITIES.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:26 PM
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5. only 2 to 1? -- c'mon...!
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:23 AM
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9. People aren't stupid, they know what Obama was trying to say
Barack understands the hardships these people have endured for the past 20 years. Unlike the Clinton's who take advantage of the voters. People see through their pandering. After people vote for them, the voters are long forgotten.


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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:24 AM
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10. I'm not offended, I'm BITTER damn it. Get it right!!!!
:sarcasm:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:51 AM
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11. What "poll"? There's no poll in your OP.
Real headline to story linked to: "Pa. Voters Divided Over Obama Remarks"
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:54 AM
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13. I'm glad to read this
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:17 AM
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16. Enrique, I'm curious...
Why are you glad to read this? As a presumable Hillary supporter, I'd think that you'd be disappointed.
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