If Obama supporters want to continually blame HRC for the Iraq War and the unnecessary deaths,

[Catherine Vincent]

shouldn't you vote to put her in the White House, so she can end it? She said she regretted the vote and would end the war if she became the President. Why don't you give her a chance to end it instead of bitching on a message board about her vote?

[Exilednight]

1. What she says and what she does always seem to be two different things. n/t

[quakerboy]

37. Seconded. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. I don't believe for a second that she'd end it.

She only "regretted" it after it became unpopular.

So no, I don't trust her. Nor am I going to reward her and give her a "second chance" for doing something so stupid in the first place.

Are you seriously fucking asking this question? Or is it just a joke?

[Faygo Kid]

3. She has never done as John Edwards did, and admitted her mistake.

It's WAY too big an issue to let her get away with it.

No matter how many shots and a beer she has. She can't be trusted, and the IWR vote, and how she has twisted it since, proves that.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Relative to the war

(actually relative to any issue) this Veteran wants a democrat in the white house and I really don't care which one right now. I can't imagine anyone sharing their two cents worth here choosing mccain over either one of our great candidates.

[cali]

5. No. She doesn't deserve the privilege.

She sacrificed real lives at the altar of her political ambition.

[Hepburn]

15. Right on, Cali!

That is EXACTLY what the lying POS did! :applause:

[NDambi]

6. Hillary for real change or ending the war? Not. I believe nothing she says. She doesn't belong

in, near or around the White House.

[countingbluecars]

7. I don't trust her.

I don't trust liars.

[democrattotheend]

8. I agree that it's unfair to blame her single-handedly

And I have posted as much here before. The resolution would have passed without her vote and we'd still be in Iraq and all those deaths would still be happening. So I agree with you that it would be stupid for us not to vote for her in the general if she is the nominee and thus help get McCain elected, when he has said we could be there for 100 years.

That being said, I'd rather put Obama in the White House so he can end the war. But I will vote for Clinton if she is the nominee (although her new ad in PA is making it very hard for me to stick to that resolve at the moment).

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. Bitching? How Sexist!!!

A Hillary Supporter tells us to quit Bitching about Hillary!!!!!!



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[islandmkl]

10. that makes a whole lot of sense...

:sarcasm:

are you shitting us? She voted to start, so she deserves the 'opportunity', to end it...what exactly has she done lately to demonstrate she has any idea, let alone inclination, to end this war?

instead, why doesn't she leave public office so she cannot inflict her bad judgement on the American citizenry, and instead, do voluntary public service work with those who are feeling the full effects of the leadership the clintons and bushes have provided the past 20 years?

be gone, bitterhillary, and good riddance to you...

[SoonerPride]

11. I'd prefer to send her to Iraq to serve for 15 months.

That seems only fair

[scheming daemons]

12. Because if her judgement was so poor before, why would we trust her now?

...

Plus... she's a pathological liar, so her "regret" rings hollow.

[redqueen]

14. +1

[Hepburn]

13. Oh, GMAFB......

She only made a kind-of apology and she only did that for political reasons.

She had a chance to end it before it started back when she said YES on the IWR. You know, she could have said NO, right? As far as I am concerned, she gets NO further chances.

Fucking war monger that she is...:puke:

[democrattotheend]

16. Just realized you are an Obama supporter. You might want to change your wording

To qualify that you mean vote for her in the general election, if she is the nominee. And I agree with the premise of your thread, btw.

Were you always an Obama supporter? I thought you were in the Clinton camp at one point, but I might be confusing you with someone else.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. She is not an Obama supporter never was

do a search

[democrattotheend]

20. She has an Obama icon

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. Doesn't mean shit

Except that you bought into it.

[Catherine Vincent]

30. You're right. I probably should have said in the general election.

I was always an Obama supporter AND Hillary supporter. I am voting for the nominee. I decided to change my avatar from Patrick Fitzgerald. I realize some of the rabid O supporters don't believe that I support Obama but that is their problem. I am a defender of Hillary, so they ASSume that I am against Obama.

[democrattotheend]

34. I get accused of not really being an Obama supporter also

Because I sometimes point out that the behavior of some of his supporters here makes him look bad. But I took an 8-hour bus to Ohio before the primary and I've gone up to Philadelphia just about every weekend since Ohio and Texas to help the campaign, so I think I have pretty solid credentials as an Obama supporter.

[bunnies]

17. Yeah. And while we're at it, lets just give dubya another term.

So HE can end it himself. :banghead:

[Ysabel]

26. yeah there sure is some goofy logic in the op here...

- kinda like that "fuzzy math" stuff...

[Catherine Vincent]

31. Dubya and Hillary and two different individuals.

One is a neocon, the other is a Democrat.

[ClassWarrior]

18. Thanks for the reminder that she co-signed Bush/Cheney**'s Blank Check for Invasion.

NGU.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

21. It reminds me too much of people saying Bush had to serve a second term to finish "freeing" Iraqis

For voters who bought the BS that that was the reason he went to war in the fist place, how could they not say he'd had his one shot and he screwed it up royally. Why anyone would ever believe he'd do better at it in his second try completely escaped me.

[AtomicKitten]

22. Her IWR vote is a damn good reason for not voting for her.

[guyanakoolaid]

24. If she learned a lesson from her pro-IWR vote, she wouldn't have voted for Kyl/Lieberman

which, if I'm not mistaken, apart from drumming up war with Iran, still clung to the belief as of last year that there were still WMD in Iraq.

She has shown repeatedly she does not have the forward-thinking skills necessary to be president.

[truebrit71]

25. No. She fucked us over once, and we won't make the same mistake again..

..

[Adelante]

27. I don't care if she regrets it

She should, God knows, regret it. It's about accountability in public office. She does not deserve the presidency. She has not earned it.

[TayTay]

28. The War is the fault of George W. Bush

and his Republican enablers in the Congress who failed to exercise any oversight for the last 7 years.

It is not the fault of Democrats who have continually tried to get the Bush Administration to be accountable for their incredibly shortsighted policies.

[Life Long Dem]

29. She says one thing and does another depending who she is speaking to. n/t

[Jed Dilligan]

32. So she should be president because she was wrong?

Makes no sense whatsoever. I have heard some people saying they don't want Obama to get stuck with Bush's messes. Is that your point, or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

[Symarip]

33. LOL

With that kind of logic, we should just leave all the Republicans in office because they got us here so they should get us out.

The LOL'lercoaster continues...

[Lefty-Taylor]

35. Because that's what we need. A president with shitty judgment.

Makes sense to me!

[shadowknows69]

36. Nope, sorry, don't trust her with our military at all

[Orsino]

38. Heh. She's not working to end it now...

...so I feel no particular urgency to nominate or elect her. I would ask rather that she defund the damned war instead of complaining about it on the campaign trail.

At this point, I'm slightly more trusting of the candidate who opposed the war back when opposing war wasn't as cool, but the same goes for him.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. That has worked real well with pretzledent dumbfuck.

She really has not 'regretted her vote' in the sense of simply stating that her vote was a mistake, and certainly not in the sense of admitting that she knew full well that the case for war was total bullshit and that she voted yes out of political expediency.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. she won't end it

[H2O Man]

41. That would suggest

that democrats should have voted for George W to be re-elected in 2004. It's better to support someone who opposed the thinking that got us into that war, and which threatens to expand hostilities to Iran.

I hope that you listen closer to your sister! Trust her on this: Obama is the best choice for president in 2008.

[myrna minx]

42. Unfortunately I don't believe that she would end the war.

Her Kyl/Lieberman vote convinced me that I cannot trust her judgement in these matters. I have her record to go on for that. :-(

[Mooney]

43. Because she already fucked up once and doesn't deserve the chance to fuck it up more.

Your argument is like saying that we should elect Bush to a third term so that he can end the war, because he started it.