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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:53 PM Original message |
Clinton leads PA 49-41, Obama getting only 30% white support, may bleed away 1/4 of Hill voters |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. and yet Hillary needs to win PA by 20+ to have a shot...only 8? |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. She can win PA and it will have no effect on the nomination. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. If Obama can't prove to the supers that he can get enough white support it will have an effect |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
57. And your authority is? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:26 PM Original message |
The primary job of SD is to choose a cand. with BEST chance in GE- |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
171. Now if only they'll see that as their job HRC will clinch the nomination |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
116. Common Sense. |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. Common sense tells me one thing. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #125 |
139. It tells me one thing as well. |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. Actually I do care, and Obama will win the nomination |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. zlt is the person who said Obama had a 5% chance of winning the GE, right? |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 06:50 AM Response to Reply #125 |
212. Common Sense also tells me... |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
121. SDs may vote against HRC based on her actions during her campaign... |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
137. Then how did he win in Iowa, Colorado, Wyoming, etc? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. Rockymountaindem, where have you been? Those states don't count |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. How foolish of me to forget n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #140 |
164. Jesse Jackson won Alaska and Vermont. Why didn't he get the VP position which he deserved on merit? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #164 |
210. Jesse Jackson didn't win Missouri, Wisconsin, Maryland, and Connecticut |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #137 |
163. You cherrypick three states out of 42. Is that what O will do in the GE? "Win" with 3 states? |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
138. WHITE PEOPLE |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
167. It sure looks like he's not getting very great white support. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
112. If she wins PA she'll declare she won the primary and start pushing the DNC... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
162. She'll win PA big and it will have a huge effect at the convention |
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Ilithiad (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #162 |
196. I agree.... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
207. Yep.. it was OVER after Wisconsin.. Most people who can do math knew it |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Alright! Hillary's lead is under double-digits!! GOBAMA!!!!! |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
170. I'd say Nobama with these numbers in the OP |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. But...but, he is supposed to sweep the states in the GE |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
76. And so he shall. |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
117. Let's all cheer now...."Yes he can." |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:57 PM Original message |
That includes "those leaning towards Hillary." Without leaners, it's a 6 point lead. n/t |
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chill factor (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
79. There is more.... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
119. Thanks for that info.! Let the people keep thinking Hillary will win in a landslide... |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #119 |
155. THIS POST IS MISLEADING..... |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. Very troubling. We don't need PA this November. We're gonna win North Dakota and Utah instead. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. And the Obama Supporters |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Montana too! |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. But they can forget about |
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Changenow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
70. How does McCain poll against Hillary |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
124. HRC's focus on trying to find scenarios where she can win and ... |
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chill factor (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
81. Utah governor endorsed Senator Obama today....... |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
216. Obama math |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. Let me guess: |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Next time a woman runs, Hillary will be used as a comparision. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Exactly and JJ is a great man. Too bad the nation was too racist to elect JJ in 88' |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. Next time a woman runs, she'll win. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
59. Don't bet on it, and don't bet the farm on November either. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
115. It will be more difficult for a woman to run, thanks to HRC's behavior. n/t |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
7. Awesome news... Thanks for letting us know, |
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galaxy21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Even if Obama does show a decrease in white support, he won't lose the nomination |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Those are Obama's aces in the holes. It may come down to what the supers prefer |
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galaxy21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. No he shouldn't |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
51. And so it finally rears its ugly head |
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Ilithiad (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
198. very possible |
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Citizen Kang (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. Back to your favorite pasttime? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. It isn't because he is black. He loses Latinos, Asians, and Native Americans too |
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Citizen Kang (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Really? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:22 PM Original message |
You must be illiterate or something |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. No, it ISN'T because he's black. |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
132. He may be flawed, as in no one is perfect. But you? Well, you're |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. You can scream racism all you want |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Obamites are more interested in the messiah than keeping McSame out the White House |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
61. I know and I wish they would find me a poll that says |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. It isn't just racism. He loses Latinos, Asians, and Native Americans too |
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chill factor (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
91. okay here are some stats - every scenario covered - both weighed and unweighed stats. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
122. Give it up. Hillary has more people hating her now than ever. She cannot win. n/t |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
133. All polls show Obama doing BETTER against McSame than Clinton; |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #133 |
147. Shhhhhh...you're using facts! |
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Citizen Kang (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. OK |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Find me a poll that says Obama is getting more than 30% |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. How much electoral votes does WI have? Pennsylvania has 21, Ohio 20, Florida 27, MI 17, NJ 15, MA 13 |
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Citizen Kang (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
106. You must be illiterate |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #106 |
127. I can guarantee that Obama will carry Colorado. He carried Colorado in the primaries |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
169. That's raising the bar awfully high |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
211. I don't have a POLL but if you look at the states he's won |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #211 |
214. Did he win them against McCain? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
13. Jesse Jackson territory...Does that make Hillary Gloria Steinem |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. When did Steinem run for president? What percentage of the vote did she get? |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Useless numbers |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Of course not but 20-25% might. Those are Mondale numbers... |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
161. 20-25% OF WHITE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN!! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #161 |
181. That is what Mondale thought too... |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. RCP has Obama slightly up and Hillary slightly down in the GE |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. BeyondReality |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I remember that argument from last night's debunked thread on the same topic |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
183. And expect it tomorrow, and the next day, and the next... |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
18. And once again you make the false assumption |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Yep |
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MidwestTransplant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Exactly. Just like Hillary is getting so little of the black vote. If she won, she would be up to |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Wrong. GE polling shows Clinton may lose some black votes if nominated |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
67. If the SDs give it to Clinton |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. supers will crunch the numbers |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
84. and the polls show HRC losing many independent voters that Obama gets |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
134. And how is Clinton going to win PA without significant numbers of AA |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
165. IF THE SUPERS GIVE IT TO CLINTON I CAN SEE........ |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. You did not read the OP |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. And just as many people |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. They are both flawed but we kicked Edwards out and are stuck with them |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Nope |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. That doesn't mean he is better for 2012. That means him losing the GE is better long-term |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. That doesn't mean he is better for 2012. That means him losing the GE is better long-term |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
93. Oh god |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Maybe he can run on unity and then run on dividing generations, sexual orientations, and races in 12 |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
118. Or anyone with family at risk for being drafted for Iraq would vote for JM? n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
20. Disgusting |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. Your preoccupation with the magic |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. How does Obama win the GE with 42-44% of the vote? |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
72. I am not stupid enough |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Oh it's you, who just said you would work for McSame if Clinton win |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
120. Hillary would not win against McCain under any scenario.... |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
34. jackson_dem , Over here. |
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Citizen Kang (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. he can't explain |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. It is exlpained in the OP. Herman also tried to explain this to Obamites |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. I don't get it sorry. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
95. What are the demographics for Dem primary voters? |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #95 |
166. NO,EXPLAIN WHY MCCAIN AND OBAMA ARE STATISTICALY TIED. N/T |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
128. The very same Herman Munster that was banned last week |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
35. "30%. Sound familiar? That is Jesse Jackson territory." Yeah, simplistically put - we get the SMEAR. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
62. Being compared to JJ is an honor. JJ is 10 times what Obama will ever be |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. Obama being compared to JJ is BAD but Randi Rhodes calling Clinton a whore is GOOD! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
131. Oh come one?!? It's The Southern Strategy & The Clintons will Not Ever regain their good status |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #131 |
159. Ok. Name one other Dem front-runner who got 20-30% of the white vote |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
154. Do not question the O-messiah!! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. ! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
65. don't include me in your "we" of your smear! and Hillary did NOT call NC "dumb-asses" |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
44. Present |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
45. If I wanted to vote for someone because white people vote for them, I'd be best suited in the GOP |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Since when is 43% winning? Is that another part of the new Obamite math? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
47. REC |
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phrigndumass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
49. An 8-point difference in PA would be roughly Clinton-85, Obama-73 |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Superdelegates are watching PA, just as they will watch the remaining states |
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phrigndumass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
96. Ah, yes. Superdelegates. How's that been working out for her lately? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
111. No. Ohio and MS do not make a trend |
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phrigndumass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #111 |
152. So what you're saying is this ... Whites for Clinton! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
53. No Obamite can explain a path for victory for Obama. The math is daunting |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. Which path to victory? |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
88. Kinda like... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Sure there is |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. I gotta call bullshit on your hostility claim... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. It is very good among Democrats. Poll after poll shows this |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
55. The General Election is NOT the Primary Season |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Yeah, he won the white vote in a handful of states out of 42 |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
58. I got a bridge for sale, you may want to buy. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
63. Funny how these threads don't go over as well as the 'Obama is winning with 90% of black vote.' ones |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. because there's nothing remotely |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
82. Surely you know the answer to this...and don't try to call it reverse racism. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. The answer is Obamites can't handle the hearing inconvenient truths about their messiah |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
123. The answer is, Obama supporters are tired of the asinine scenarios Hillary dreams up... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. Reality v Fantasy |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
85. Exactly. This is why they are called a _____. I acknowledge Hill's problem with blacks if she wins |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. You'd gain some credibility if you stopped calling everyone Obamites... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. I call myself an Edwardian. What is the big deal? |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
129. I call you a racist. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
80. Your whole analysis should be thrown out the window. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Yeah, just like Kerry won big even though Bush didn't create a single net job in 4 years.... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. The economy in the fall of 2004 was relatively good compared to where we... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Perhaps but the only "hope" Obama has of winning is the economy tanking badly |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
126. No, there are other considerations to take into account. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #126 |
151. All of that is possible and the supers will take that into account |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #151 |
213. There is no such thing as an "heir apparent." |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
86. any poll showing Hillary under 50% is just great great news thanks |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
90. here we go again with state by state GE matchups in APRIL. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Good point. How bad will Obama be doing when the rethugs finally attack him? |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. The 'rethugs' HAVE been attacking him..if you watch republican radio/fox news |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Where, besides Hannity? Has the rethug msm went after Obama? |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. I thought you thought the msm were all in the tank for Obama? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #113 |
149. That works both ways. Obama is the Dem version of McSame as far as the msm goes |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #105 |
141. Oh my. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #141 |
148. You took the words right out of my mouth |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
102. Your theory (Penn's actually) doesn't wash |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Oh. There are caucuses in the general election with 1.,9% turnout? |
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vincenzoesq (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
107. The biggest difference between Clinton supporters and Obama supporters |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Education correlates with income. People who are struggling to make ends meet can't gamble on words |
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vincenzoesq (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. classists? |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
130. "Time, a pro-Obama rag..." |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
135. People who need help need more than words like "corporate donors first," too. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #135 |
175. Check out the front page of the Washington Post today about Obama's corporate donors |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
136. Deleted message |
Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
144. Oh good. You wasted your 3 post limit for tonight trying to convince |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
146. GREAT NEWS ! HE HAS ERASED HILLARY'S 20+ Point lead !! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. How often does someone outspent 3:1 win? |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #150 |
176. Sure it's 3:1? Anyhow, BY HAVING THE MACHINE AND DEMOGRAPHHICS LONG ON HER SIDE. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #176 |
192. Obama had 97% name ID three months ago. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
153. you miss Herman Munster so much that you're bravely taking up his torch? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Is that a threat? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #157 |
172. A threat? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. Obama supporters have been known to do that... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #174 |
179. If there are Obama supporters who do that.. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #179 |
206. But do you reject AND denounce them? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #206 |
215. haha, yes, i do reject and denounce them. |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
156. :kick: |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
160. k&r |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
168. Ooo he's black that won't be lost on anyone except the blind. Undecded SDs like Obama. =) |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #168 |
173. Maybe Obama is a weak candidate? It is lame to blame it on his color |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. Hmm. Yes, you're right. He does seem weak. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. He can't win outside his ethnic group |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #180 |
184. Been to Wyoming? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Been to all 42 states that have voted? |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #185 |
208. I expected "it will go repug anyway" as an answer. |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #180 |
187. His ethnic group? Hello? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #187 |
189. As far as popular perception goes |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #189 |
197. That's a racist joke? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:53 AM Response to Reply #197 |
202. Him being biracial is immaterial but him being (perceived as) black is |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #202 |
209. Neither hit count matters |
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Yes We Did (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
177. Then they don't' care about the war she authorized. I guess it's easy to vote... |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
182. Obama will get he votes he needs when he needs them. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #182 |
186. What change does Obama uniquely offer than Clinton does not? |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #186 |
188. Well, if I HAD to pick just ONE thing ... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. So you can't find a substantive difference between them (besides Obama being RW on education) |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. One of them put her 'years of experience' to use when voting for the IWR. I'll take the other |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #191 |
193. So no substantive difference in your view either |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #193 |
194. In policy? Of course not. Character and judgement? There is a gulf of a difference. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #194 |
201. Your honesty |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #190 |
195. I thought I just gave you the substantive difference ... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #195 |
199. I can see why you support Obama |
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catcher (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #199 |
200. newbie here, just wanted to ask |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #200 |
203. Did you know having two names is against DU rules? |
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catcher (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. huh |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #199 |
205. Glad you appreciate the irony ... |
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