Voter Doubts About Her Honesty Costing Clinton

[babylonsister]

Voter Doubts About Her Honesty Costing Clinton
By CQ Staff

New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is being hobbled in her race to overtake Illinois Sen. Barack Obama by persistent questions among voters about her honesty, according to polls.

A new poll in North Carolina – which after the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, is the next big prize on the campaign trail - says a key element in Obama’s success is that the state’s voters value trust over experience. The survey for the Charlotte Observer/WCNC-TV reported that only 25 percent of voters gave high marks to Clinton for trustworthiness compared to 48 percent for Obama and 54 percent for Arizona Sen. John McCain . Nearly 9 in 10 voters said trust would be a major factor in deciding how they would vote.

Surveys in North Carolina have consistently shown Obama with a big lead over Clinton, and that was underscored again today in a new Rasmussen Reports poll. The poll, conducted April 3, says Obama’s lead over Clinton has now soared to 56 percent to 33 percent.

Rasmussen noted that one bit of bad news for Obama is that 56 percent of Clinton supporters said they would not be likely to vote for Obama in a race against McCain. The Charlotte Observer poll put that number lower, saying 20 percent of Clinton supporters would vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination while 13 percent of Obama backers would do the same if Clinton is the nominee.

The Charlotte Observer poll was conducted as Clinton got caught up in news reports contradicting her account of once coming under sniper fire in Bosnia. The same doubts about Clinton’s honesty have surfaced in polls by Gallup and Pew Research

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[Erin Elizabeth]

1. I used to have questions about her honesty.

Then she proceeded to give me answers about her honesty. And they weren't good.

[caledesi]

25. I agree! NT

[Cha]

34. I haven't had any questions about hilary since

Oct 2002..she made it painfully clear.

[williesgirl]

2. We've had 7-1/2 yrs of a liar, NO MORE! rec'd

[Yael]

3. The problem is that EVERY news cycle is dominated by the latest lie.

It is a DAILY occurrence!

[dchill]

15. Well, it's not like she can just STOP!

:shrug:

[Yael]

4. And another thing. Anyone notice that the narrative has changed from Change vs Experience

to TRUST vs Experience?

[Zachstar]

8. This is a huge thing.

Because trust is what she needed to even get the Supers to have a listen to her arguments for them to switch.

Now that the card is gone she stands no chance.

[quantass]

33. BINGO!

[Cha]

37. And Obama just stands

back and does his thing while hilary's busy hoisting herself and gathering rope.

A customer at work said he was getting so tired of this primary..said, "you know if it were Obama who was behind like this they would be yelling for him to drop out." I said, "they'd be screaming for his head."

[Faygo Kid]

5. What's with this "Much to my surprise" comment today about Bill's moneymaking?

I didn't see it yet, but it seems to be everywhere. Is she kidding? She can't possibly be serious about not knowing the bottom line of what her own tax returns have shown since 2000.

Can she? What is she doing to herself and her supporters with such garbage??

[Yael]

11. By law, she has to sign her tax returns

So that would just be another lie.

[Inuca]

35. I read it as meaning

that she did not expect him to make so much money, not that she did not know about it. Still, I heard the comment, I think it was from today in ND (I think she made the same comment several times already, not sure though), and it was cringe-worthy.

[quantass]

53. k

[1776Forever]

6. That's just Politics - per James Carville!!! Not this time - says Barack!!!

:woohoo:

[pnwmom]

7. The MSM did the same thing to Gore. And they will to Obama, if he's the

nominee.

They're setting us up for straight-talkin' John McSame.

[greguganus]

9. She can't help it. She's a pathological liar. n/t

[L0oniX]

36. No surprise there. n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. that is what happens when the media distorts and lies 24/7

people start to believe the distortion. Had they done the same thing to Obama's "misspeaks" he would be in the same position.

[Yael]

12. Yes, Obama not knowing how much money Michelle made the last 7 years,

and his dodging sniper fire while trying to help "uninsured minimum wage" people get healthcare will surely come back to bite him in the butt come November...

[dchill]

17. Where, oh where, is the distortion?

It's not like it's Obama's fault that she tells such WHOPPERS, so frequently, that his "misspeaks" can't get any airtime...

It is you who believes "the distortion."

[Evergreen Emerald]

28. Really? What the hell happend to DU? We used to see the media for what it was

and now that currently it is giving Obama a leg-up and hiding his flaws, you pretend not to see it?

Democracy depends on a free press, not propaganda.

[dchill]

47. I SEE his flaws. I SEE her flaws.

I support HIM. Not HER.

[crankychatter]

30. The Media is ONLY unbiased when they are KIND to Clinton

kind of like the polls, eh?

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. I have never seen the media "kind" to Clinton

But what I have seen is a double standard. Obama "misspeaks" and the media ignores it or covers for him. They find out something about Clinton--and no matter how suspect the source is--it is non-stop top of the news 24/7.

[crankychatter]

42. The ONLY good press Obama gets is on MSNBC

They don't call it the Clinton News Network for nothing.

Why does the press not confront the lies regarding Florida and Michigan?

That's a rhetorical question. The Military Industrial Complex and other corporate backers control the flippin media... the same PACs that back your candidate. That's why she gets a nearly free ride.

She's a bullshitter and got CAUGHT bullshitting. They're still soft-soaping it.

How can YOU believe Clinton when she takes money from the people that profit from death?

If Clinton got five minutes of the fry job Obama has gotten in the press since Super Tuesday... you'd be snivelling in your shoes.

Moral Posturing is not moral high ground

and VICTIM posturing is not victim-hood

[Mooney]

51. You sound like Donald Rumsfeld talking about how well the war is going.

If only the liberal media would report the GOOD news coming out of Iraq!

Hillary's Bosnia lie was not a media creation. She did it to herself, 100%, and it bit her on the ass, 100%. If Obama had lied about something that could have been debunked by videotaped evidence from CBS news as well as the recollections of about 20 people who were there, it would have bitten him on the ass too.

There is no credible scenario in which the sniper story can be called "misspeaking." And to be perfectly blunt, I don't really believe that deep down, Hillary supporters believe that either. I don't think they're lying, necessarily, but the level of denial is certainly enormous.

[quantass]

13. k&r

[VolcanoJen]

14. This Mark Penn thing has got to be the final straw for some folks, doesn't it?

I mean, even Chimpy made Rove step down from his paid positions advising corporations so that there would be no perceived conflict of interest on the campaign trail. It speaks to Penn's utter incompetence that he wouldn't realize the message-blur he was conducting in, in pursuit of the mighty dollar in Colombia. We already knew he sucked as a campaign strategist, but now, it looks as though even he realizes Clinton's campaign is a loser, and it's time for him to get back to his day job.

One can't help but think of Hillary's NAFTA bamboozle in Ohio, and how, coupled with the truth about her support of NAFTA and Penn's Colombian adventure, could be the magic combination that makes her lose Pennsylvania. Remember this quote?

I would ask you to look at this story and substitute my name for Sen. Obama’s name and see what you would do with this story… Just ask yourself (what you would do) if some of my advisers had been having private meetings with foreign governments.

The Clintons have shown that they value loyalty over competence; spin over honesty. We've had enough of that shit in the last seven years and it's going to be the final undoing of her campaign.

[Whisp]

43. puzzling, or is it?

I recall having this same feeling at the blatant lies and conflicts of interest during these Bush years. Incredulous stuff I'm sure all of you can remember, by the dozens, hundreds! and over and over again I said to myself: wtf is happening? how can they LIE like this and just get away with it. like never before, it was like a free for all, for all lies. anything goes.

well, the same damn thing is happening but now it's Clinton and crew.

is there some sort of pysops manual stuck under the floorboards of the Whitehouse that they're both using as a manual or something?

the parallels are just too creepy for me.

[IsItJustMe]

55. I have wondered the same thing. WTF? Is this some type of fricked up reverse reverse psychology?

It boggles my mind.

[quantass]

45. .

[crankychatter]

48. crisp and reasonable

how un-cult like

;--P

thanks

[Mooney]

52. It doesn't look like it.

I wonder what it's going to take though. If there are going to be people who stand by Hillary even through the Bosnia lie and this thing with Mark Penn, then they're probably just dead-enders at this point.

[grytpype]

16. I used to think Hillary was reasonably honest and would be a decent president, but not any more.

After seeing how she's run against Obama, I have lost all respect for her and Bill as well.

The only principle she has is her ambition, she doesn't care how much damage she does to the party or the country in her pursuit of the presidency. Would she lie to get the nomination? I have no doubt she would.

The Clintons are turning their names to sh*t for a lot of Dems including myself.

If they had any class at all, they would get behind Obama right now and start working on saving the country from McCain. But they won't, because they are utter trash.

[EFerrari]

18. The captain on the Titanic used better judgment. n/t

[babylonsister]

19. ...

:rofl:

[grytpype]

22. She wants the MI/FLA delegates seated for "democracy," then she doesn't want their votes to count

unless they vote for her.

She'll say any damn thing.

[EFerrari]

39. I just hope everyone on her campaign has a parachute.

She and Bill do.

[Cha]

41. I never thought so since I realized

she was voting for the IWR without reading the 90 page NIE report to make her look tough and give bush credence for his War On Iraq. And hilary continued to throughout the 8 years and now she's saying something about Iraqis are "grateful for their freedom"!! hilary needs some time out on a truth farm.

[4themind]

20. Still wrapping my head around the 56% number...

If that holds true in novemeber (and I am not saying that it will), then say hello to john McCain, and this whole primary be a relatively futile exercise (except perhaps expanding gender and racial scars). That's why I think the more time that can be spent differentiating between the democrats and MCcain, in addition to, or more so that between each other, the more time people have to weigh the potential impact of their choices.

[Marrah_G]

21. Just wait until the RW slaps the same labels on Obama.

[anonymous171]

23. They tried "Muslim" first, then "Rabid White Hater" (actually that name comes from a late DUer)

I wonder what they will try next?

[grytpype]

24. Yep, the Repugs are going to play video of Hillary running Obama down.

It's all going to be thrown back in our faces. She can't win, all she can do is tear Obama down. And she doesn't care.

She's all like, "I'm Rocky Balboa, duh duh!" But this is not about her and how strong she is and how she can keep going in the face of certain defeat! She thinks this is all about her!

I don't think she (or Bill) should be allowed to speak at the convention. Or bury them in some obscure timeslot.

We will need to distance ourselves from the Clintons if we are going to beat McCain, she they're working for him in fact.

[OzarkDem]

26. They must prefer a McCain presidency

[HCE SuiGeneris]

27. Can't imagine how that perception developed...

Her acting speeches have been so believable.

[jackson_dem]

29. Obama attacked her negatively on this for over a year

That along with rethug attacks was bound to take a toll. It is a shame Obama says one thing, does another. Is he a liar or a hypocrite?

[JayFredMuggs]

31. Running against 20 Republican and Democratic Candidates, Obama....

Managed to emerge to where he's got more votes, more delegates, and raises twice as much money in March than Hillary, and her wonderful President hubby Bill, and against the National war Hero John McSame,

Yeah, it's that vast "right wing conspiracy", and the media bias that's doing all this against Hillary.

Yeah

[crankychatter]

50. attacked for a year? Oh, you mean saying she's against the WAR

and voting FOR it... that little thing?

yeah that Obama's a vicious bastard, eh?

[quantass]

32. it certainly is

[TexasObserver]

40. She's experienced ... at lying. That's the problem.

Others with "experience" but lacking honesty ... George HW Bush, George W. Bush, John McCain.

It's not "experience" we need, but intelligence and judgment, neither of which Hillary has evidenced.

[Scurrilous]

44. K & R

:thumbsup:

[mrJJ]

46. Truthiness

Nafta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4

Bosnia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

Ireland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA

October 11, 2007
Flashback: Does Michigan Matter to Clinton?

Hillary Clinton, during which she was asked about the Michigan primary:

"I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it's clear, in this election they're
having, it is not going to count for anything."

http://www.youtube.com/user/MDRUDGE

HILLARY IS ONE BIG 'MIS'TAKE
Now Hillary denies that she denied she said Obama can't win.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04042008/news/nationalnews/...

Votes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_eBIpEuO4U

Feb 19, 2008:
Hillary Clinton says "speeches don't put food on the table!"

Bill's speeches sure as hell put food on their table! $51 Million Dollars worth

Anyone think that Hillary knew she was lying? or perhaps mis-spoke err maybe she forgot about the $51 Million.

[quantass]

49. .

[quantass]

54. k&r

[tabasco]

56. When Hillary started her campaign, she had to know one thing.

Integrity had to be her number one priority. Why? Because of Bill's straight-in-the-camera, finger-wagging lies to the American people on national tv. If her campaign manager did not tell her this on day one, he is a damn fool. Hillary's honesty was bound to be scrutinized by Democrats who were embarrassed by the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal.

So what does she do? She goes on the trail telling a whole series of whoppers, often telling the same lie over and over. Embellishing her record and distorting her opponent's. Hillary was either unable to tell the truth or lacked the judgment to tell the truth. Either way, her lack of integrity has killed her campaign. Once again, a Clinton's lies have embarrassed the Democratic party.

This campaign can't die fast enough.

[Quixote1818]

57. kick