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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 03:26 PM Original message |
Help me out with this argument about Clark. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Clark's mistake, imho |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. But he didn't go to IA because he probably correctly assumed: |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Edwards didn't do well in new hampshire either |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 03:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Key is meeting and exceeding expectations. |
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Claire Beth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
62. that's what I think, too. |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree that it was a mistake to skip Iowa but once |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. He had closed to 24:20 vs Dean nationally the first week of January |
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salonghorn70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Clark Was To Be The Anti-Dean |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Of the candidates who finished above him, Clark never |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. NOBODY really did other than Kerry and many of his supporters |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Would Kerry sell in the midwest |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Yep, that was about it |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Kerry & the media |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Yeah, I'd agree with that |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. They were always there |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 09:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. General Shelton slander...we can't forget that. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 10:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Yet, as noted, he closed to within 4% (MoE?) of Dean by 1st week in Jan. |
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aquanut (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. You say he got to within 4% because of the media coverage but |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Exactly, aquanut. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Regardless of the rate, the slope was positive, and he was closing on |
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mrgorth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #39 |
65. This is incorrect. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. they saw the polling and he wasn't doing well. But the fact is, they |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. Never forget Shelton |
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faithfulcitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 02:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
58. Yep, my thoughts exactly! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 02:38 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. That and several hundred vets |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think people |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I agree with that. Kerry definitely came out as well-rounded. |
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monkeymind (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. Clark's purpose was to destroy Dean |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Clark never did attack Kerry. But he went after the other two. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Dean stayed in longer than Clark |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Actually, Clark DID suspend his campaign |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 08:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Clark and Kerry did "attack" each other |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Clark's purpose was to make sure Bush doesn't get reelected |
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Darkamber (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 01:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Dean's fall in Iowa... |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 07:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
41. You don't know the first thing about Wes Clark |
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Leprechan29 (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
12. Once Kerry won Iowa |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
13. I do not wish to sound |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I think that every candidate had their moment of being Clinton's candidate |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 08:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Clark WAS seen as Clinton's candidate and their way to "bring down" dean |
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mia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
17. Media admits that coverage of Clark was unfair |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. For the most part I think you have it right |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
46. One P.S. about the media |
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Darkamber (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
19. Iowa, Dean scream and condensed primary schedule |
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mot78 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
27. Clark would be the nominee right now if he hadn't skipped Iowa |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
32. 3 candidates got nothing but good media: W, Lieberman and Edwards |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. In fairness to Edwards |
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Darkamber (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I agree about Edwards... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 10:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I agree with that. However, more and more I think I agree |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. Sunny, scmunny. Edwards had vicious slanders against all his Iowa |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-04 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
40. Kerry's OUR nominee for ONE reason! |
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Justice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
42. Clark Skipping Iowa and Decision To Get In Race and Drop Out |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Clark thought he was the best man running, just like everyone else |
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Justice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I agree, Clark was the best man running |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
43. Clark made no mistakes of substance... |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
67. Bingo!! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
47. Clark did relatively well.... |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Jan 8: "Polls: Dean Losing Ground, Clark Gaining" |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. This is consistent |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Also see these statements on media coverage for Clark.... |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. No no please, it's too depressing to revisit... |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-04 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
54. Clark's debate performances were poor. |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I agree with you about his being too distinguished for the |
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Justice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Actually Overall Did Great At Debates, Considering |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-04 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
56. That may be true, but as for the future, |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:50 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. If he's not VP he'll be in Kerry's cabinet somewhere (except |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
63. I have always felt that the momentum created by a win in Iowa by |
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Skwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
64. You must not have watched very much of the primary |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Your words mirror my thoughts. |
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