What kind of President do you want?

[BigDaddy44]

There remains a considerable amount of vitriol around here because Senator Clinton is still in the race, fighting hard (maybe a bit dirty at times), trying to get pledged delegates to switch (see Senator Kennedy, 1980), and not backing down an inch.

Folks, she's trying to win.

Isn't that the kind of President we want? One who wants to win? One who doesn't cave at the first sign of opposition? One who refuses to give up, in spite of the odds? When did these become bad attributes?

Sometimes this place really confuses me........

[Texas Hill Country]

1. I agree with all of that, but she is not alone in the dirty dept.

[redqueen]

2. The best one we can get!

And at this point, IMO, it's Obama.

Not at all because of her campaign tactics... but mostly cause of her Iraq stuff. *sigh*

[melody]

3. She cannot win. All she is doing now is destroying our party. This is selfishness, not strength.

It's long past time for her to get out of the race. It's over.

[BigDaddy44]

7. The Giants couldn't beat the Patriots either

Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??

[melody]

21. No, and we didn't give up when the Taiwanese bombed Cleveland either

I mean, if that had happened. lol

[JuniperLea]

11. Please don't spew the GOP memes...

They don't need our help.

Our party isn't being destroyed.

And the fat lady hasn't even warmed up yet...





What puzzles me is how the Obama camp cannot let go of this even after Obama himself has said there is no reason for her to quit now. It reminds me of GWB's backwashed 17% who still claim Saddam Hussein had WMD, even after GWB said there were none.

[melody]

19. 1, find out what "meme is". 2, you're using the Democrat argument against us-- typical Rove stuff

Obama is being a good sport. That's his role. I'm not in Obama's camp -- I'm a loyal Democrat. I was an
Edwards supporter but it's obvious to anyone not truculently refusing to accept the truth that our nominee
has been chosen.

[JuniperLea]

32. Whatev...

Not in Obama's camp, but sporting his logo... riiiiiight.

I'm a loyal Democrat... are you saying Obama lied to be politically correct? Puhleeze! He's not a liar! Not that I can tell anyway. WTF?

Yawn... A meme (pronounced /miːm or mɛm/) consists of any unit of cultural information, such as a practice or idea, that gets transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another. Examples include thoughts, ideas, theories, practices, habits, songs, dances and moods and terms such as race, culture, and ethnicity. Memes propagate themselves and can move through a "culture" in a manner similar to the behavior of a virus.

Our nominee has NOT been chosen. If I'm wrong, please link to the official DNC announcement.

Ooooooo... truculently... someone got a thesaurus! :rofl: Got tired of vitriol, eh? :rofl:

I voted for Edwards... I don't give a flying rat's ass for either of the two we have to choose from now. I don't see them being all that different.

I'm still shocked at you saying Obama lied just to be a good sport... stretch much?




Memes propagate themselves and can move through a "culture" in a manner similar to the behavior of a virus.

Memes propagate themselves and can move through a "culture" in a manner similar to the behavior of a virus.

Memes propagate themselves and can move through a "culture" in a manner similar to the behavior of a virus.

Replicating... replicating... being repeated...

[melody]

33. I'm sporting his logo because the nomination process is over. The nominee has been chosen.

All your emoticons (burning DU bandwidth) won't change that. Clinton is finished. It's time to move on.

And you still aren't using "meme" in the way it was originally intended, but then no one else does either.

[JuniperLea]

35. Linky poo, please?

Please show me where the DNC or Obama or Clinton, or more importantly, Skinner, has said the nominee has been chosen? Hmmmm? Put up or shut the fuck up.

So, you know more than Merriam Webster?

Main Entry: meme
Pronunciation: \ˈmēm\
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of mimeme, from mim- (as in mimesis) + -eme
Date: 1976
: an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture

[melody]

38. Oh now that was a mature response. LOL!

You know you're losing so all you have left is profanity.

And Merriam Webster didn't coin the term.

[JuniperLea]

42. You have nothing to say, no answer to give, so you insult...

Typical response from someone blowing hot air out of their ass.

Kill the messenger! Kill the messenger!

You'll kill the messenger before you answer a simple question... because you CAN'T answer the question because you have been lying your ass off. You can't answer because you have no proof of what you say.

Merriam Webster notes the date it was coined, back in 1976... and still you have no proof of my usage being wrong either! You just keep repeating the lie... keep it up! Talk about Rovian tactics! Repeat the lie until people believe.

Too sorry for words.

[melody]

43. Again, more profanity and personal attacks. Welcome to my ignore list n/t

[JuniperLea]

49. Bless you! Thank you!

Then you won't respond to my posts with nonsense you can't back up!

[DJ13]

4. (see Senator Kennedy, 1980) Folks, she's trying to win.Isn't that the kind of President we want?

How did 1980 work out for our party?

Theres your answer.

[BigDaddy44]

8. Yes, but all I read is "I F***'in hate her"

Did everyone hate Senator Kennedy too?

[DJ13]

12. Did everyone hate Senator Kennedy too?

If we had the internet in 1980, more than likely since he WAS trying to unseat our sitting Democratic President.

Just like Clinton, Teddy was putting personal ambition ahead of the party.

[Texas Hill Country]

22. We didnt lose in 1980 cause of Kennedy, we lost cause Carter sucked... economy was in the toilet...

he let Iran go to hell, his foreign policy was abysmal, interest rates were INSANE, and stagflation had set in deep...


Kennedy didnt help, but neither did Carter.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Did Hillary Clinton give up when she was fired at by snipers? No!

Did Hillary Clinton give up when a semen stain forced her husband to admit an affair? No!

Did she give up when Saddam Hussein launched weapons of mass destruction? No!

Did she give up when Morpheus got captured and she had to fight Agent Smith herself? No!

Did she give up when flag burners and video games threatened to destroy the country? No!

Did she give up Frodo couldn't carry the ring anymore and she had to carry him herself? No!

Did she give up when people asked to see her tax returns? No!

[Cooley Hurd]

15. Did she give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[NeedleCast]

28. Wait a Minutes

"Did she give up when Morpheus got captured and she had to fight Agent Smith herself? "

You just made that up, didn't you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. No, she actually claimed that.

Then said she misremembered.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. A fighter who won't buckle and have all the votes counted and recounted in the GE in necessary.

[Lucky 13]

9. Yeah I want a President that slanders anyone who opposes them.

JUST LIKE BUSH.

Don't say what I want you to say? Endorse the other guy? Criticize me in anyway?
TRAITOR!!! JUDAS!!! BACKSTABBER!!

Sound familiar?

[bunnies]

10. Better question:

What kind of President do I NOT want.

One that lies, manipulates and puts their own interests above all else.

I've had that president. I'm all set.

[Symarip]

13. I hope she does stay in as long as she can afford to in the

Primaries. I think it's good for the party even if it makes the rest of us Obama supporters moan and bitch and speculate about a brokered convention. I seriously doubt we'll go all the way until August without a nominee. What's the harm? We have free press from the media and no one is paying attention to old man wind trying to stay relevant. Stop being crybabies - this process is good for BOTH candidates. Furthermore, I like hearing what other people have to say. Yup, you heard it here - I like listening to Clinton supporters points of view... Well, at least the one's that aren't completely fucking idiotic (ie, Clinton todally one Florida!!!11 barak needz 2 stepz dwn!!!).

Plus, when she bows out (or when he bows out, but I ain't bettin' on that), it'll be on her own terms, which again, will be good for the general cause and make the transition from bickering siblings to a unified force that much easier.

[gcomeau]

14. The problem.

If this was just a matter of her "trying to win" there would not be nearly the level of backlash in here that we see. When you announce publicly that the Republican nominee is more qualified to be president than the current leading Democratic candidate for the nomination more than halfway through the race you have crossed a serious line. When you're making declarations that that candidate for the nomination is unelectable when they're leading after over 40 states have voted and have by most measures 10-1 odds to be the person we need to win to keep the Republicans from another 4 years in the White House, you've crossed a serious line.

That is going from "trying to win" to "sabotaging the Democratic frontrunner in the home stretch because you're losing".

That pisses people off. A lot. Yes, we want a president who tries to win. Yes we want one who doesn't back down at the first sign of opposition. No, we don't want one who places their personally winning ahead of the nation winning. That's kind of the opposite of the priorities the president is supposed to have.

[easy_b94]

16. Hillary has ran a bad campaign after Super Tuesday…that tells me she a crappy planner

[Ron Green]

17. Calm, resilient, visionary. NOT mean, sneaky, stubborn.

[LisaM]

18. I want one whose supporters don't call me names all the time

and I want one who wants to scrap NCLB, who wants health insurance that covers everyone, who knows that anyone over 40 isn't over the hill, who inspires young women to dare to dream, and who has toughed it out over the years despite relentless media coverage against her.

[SeaLyons]

24. ..

me too!!! well said.

[endarkenment]

20. One that is not a republican. nt.

[JTFrog]

23. "One who doesn't cave at the first sign of opposition?"

"You know, I'm not going to talk about that. Senator McCain is a friend of mine..."

She gives the real opposition, her good friend McCain in case you all forgot, a free ride.


She's made her own party (doubtful as I am that she was ever anything but a DINO) the opposition and that is not acceptable in any way shape or form. And it's not just Obama she's trying to destroy. Add Richardson to the ever growing list.

She'll take down any democrat who doesn't board the Hillary Failroad.

[butterfly77]

25. The problem is that ....

we don't want a fighting hard undercover RepubliCON...

[NanceGreggs]

26. We already have a "president" like that ...

He wants to "win" in Iraq. He "refuses to give up" no matter how bad he's losing. He doesn't "cave" when his mistakes are pointed out to him, time and time again.

Thanks, but no thanks. That's not being a "fighter" - that's being a pig-headed idiot who refuses to face the truth, no matter how much damage is caused as a result.

[JuniperLea]

39. What has Clinton damaged? eom

[NanceGreggs]

46. As it turns out, mostly herself. n/t

[JuniperLea]

48. That may well be true...

Time will tell. I'm taking Obama's advice and chilling on the "Hillary must drop out!" meme.

[helderheid]

27. Winning at all costs and by any means necessary is the way * "won".

[NeedleCast]

One that can transform into a giant robot and battle the Decepticons. If I can't have that, I'll go with Obama instead.

[Milo_Bloom]

29. One that isn't going to sell out its principles

to score a few political points.

[TooBigaTent]

31. I want one who will not sell us out to the corporate overlords. I do not see one

who I trust to do that.

And certainly not Sen. Reach-across-the-aisle.

[hedgehog]

34. You know, Nixon was a sore loser, too..........

:evilgrin:

[JuniperLea]

37. He hated that Kennedy had so much sex in the White House...

Remember, he filled the pool that was rumored to be the location of many an orgy.

[kwenu]

36. I want the Black guy. The other choices are seedy.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

40. If only she fought this hard on Iraq.

[depakid]

41. A Democratic President

preferably not one who operates like the so called "leadership" in Congress has....

[Hepburn]

44. What kind?

Anyone but Hillary or McCain. Any other questions?

[JerseygirlCT]

45. Depends on what and why the person wants to win

I do NOT want a president who wants to win for themselves. And that's what my read of this is. I don't believe there's a whole lot of sincere interest in, to borrow from JFK, what she can do for us, but rather, what we were all expected to do for her.

I want a smart president (ok, two candidates meet that)
An inspiring president (really, only one)
A president interested in fundamentally changing the dynamic of division and fear (again, only one)
I want someone able to be pragmatic (both there) and
willing to work toward a goal with all sorts of people.

[Steely_Dan]

47. You Ask...

What kind of President do I want....?

Joe Biden