Let's play Veepstakes survivor! Round THREE, !! VOTE SOMEONE OFF !!

[Bombtrack]

Poll question: Let's play Veepstakes survivor! Round THREE, !! VOTE SOMEONE OFF !!

****IMPORTANT: A VOTE IS FOR WHO YOU WANT AS VP LEAST, NOT MOST******
We'll start off with ten, and vote someone off of who DU wants least. I'll start a new poll either every 1 day or 100 votes, or when a candidate is mathimatically garenteed to get the most votes before 100 votes are cast. Whichever comes first.

Second round results for top 5 most wanted to be voted out:
Rep. Dick Gephardt - MO - 50%, Gov. Mark Warner - VA - 12%, Gen. Wesley Clark - AR - 11%, Sen. John Edwards - NC - 11%, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius - KS - 6%

[Bombtrack]

1. Ok, who voted for Graham? I voted for Warner. It would be nice if people

explained their actions from each camp. Of particular interest would be people voting for Graham, Clark, and Edwards, because I haven't heard a cogent point why any of them would be the WORST choices. Maybe I shouldn't have called this "survivor". I think allot of people are voting with some strategy in mind and not who they actually think would make the worst vp choice.

[freetobegay]

3. Apparently people that don't know how wise this man is.

[BBradley]

2. What's people's beef with Warner?

I don't know much about him, other than he's the Governer of my state, and ran as a "fiscal conservative"

[Bombtrack]

4. He doesn't really do anything to help Kerry. Having some foreign policy

expertise, at least above the level he has, is not mandatory but the lack of it hurts, and he doesn't help Kerry in any particular states. Virginia is far less likely to go for Kerry with Warner than the others homestates, including LA with Landrieu or NC with Edwards as veep. He hasn't demonstrated that much popularity, as he didn't win his last election by alot. He's another New Englander. He grew up in CT. And it would be dumb to make vulnerable yet another big(gish) state governorship to the GOP in the middle of his first term, for so little in return as vp candidate.

[Finch]

15. VA Gov's have a single term limit!

Warner's Margin of victory was very impressive, very solid indeed, especially coming in a state that was considered to rival South Carolina as one of the most conservative states in the nation. Furthermore he didn't just win in traditional Democratic areas or traditionally swing areas he won in areas that had been strong republican turf until the election such as Lynchburg in the Panhandle... further more he won this election right after 9/11! A Democrat beating a Republican soundly, in a conservative State right after 9/11... what is not unimpressive about that!

[AP]

6. I want a working class hero on the ticket.

[Finch]

14. Edwards?

:)

[hellhathnofury]

5. This reminds me of why I still come to DU.

Great game.

I voted Warner. Old, white, looks horrible on television, and not overly inspiring.

[Finch]

13. Have you ever heard or seen Gov Warner!

He's Young and a great speaker what's more he's a moderate populist who got elected by a solid margin right after 9/11 during the phases where Bush's approval ratings and those of the GOP where near untouchable!

This is Warner...

http://www.virginia.edu/topnews/releases2001/images/Warner,%20Mark.jpg

....I think you where thinking of Republican John Warner...



...the picture you paint of Warner is just plain wrong I've met and seen the guy!

[For PaisAn]

7. I goofed

I picked Wes Clark and he's my top choice FOR VP. Thought I was picking who I wanted most, not least. Didn't read the question thoroughly.

[Bombtrack]

9. who would you have picked had you realized the rules?

I'll count it in the mathimatical elimination

[For PaisAn]

22. Edwards

I would have picked John Edwards for elimination. Zero military experience, not enough political experience and all legislative experience. The ticket needs someone with executive/leadership skills and background and double strong military/foriegn policy experience. Also his "sunny" disposition would really emphasize Kerry's stoic demeanor. Thanks.

[zulchzulu]

8. Kerry/Sebelius? No freakin' way, dude

A sure way to lose this election would be to choose a woman as VP.

Add Sebelius in the mix and you have a wonderful reason for Rove to celebrate.

Bayou Mary is next.

[Finch]

10. Don't Vote Warner off!

After Edwards he is the best possible running mate for Kerry!

[Bombtrack]

12. I disagree. Who did you vote for?

My question about warner is, what and how many electoral votes does he give us a decent possibility of a boost in?

And again, who did you vote for? Don't worry, there are plenty of votes left for people to decide.

[Finch]

16. I voted to kick Clark off...

...man have i come into stick for this in the past :eyes:

But he just doesn't help the ticket he brings you no one state and he really doesn't boost Kerry policy wise (Kerry has the credentials of an anti-war veteran he doesn't need to reinforce that). Edwards is the best candidate, he can boost Kerry amongst "soccer moms" and amongst moderates in the Midwest and steel states... Clark in no way addresses Kerry's Liberalism or his slightly dull manner… Edwards does. In short Clark Brings nothing that Kerry doesn’t already have or that can help Kerry with voters... Edwards however brings a hell of a lot... but maybe too much (could outshine JK) hence Warner as a more toned-down version of Edwards seems like a strong choice to me.

[Bombtrack]

17. I don't disagree with you about Clark broadly. But in comparing just

the 2 homestates with Clark and Warner, Arkansas is about 10 times more likely to be able to be won by Kerry than Virginia. And I'll certainly retract that when I see polling in Virginia that shows otherwise. And I know that as of today Warner might be slightly more popular in his state than Clark is in Arkansas, because he is the governor, but if either of them were chosen as vp I think Clark would likely become just as much of a boost percentage wise as warner would in each respective state, only Arkansas is already a good 5 - 8 points to the more democratic side as Virginia is in the national spectrum.

[Bombtrack]

11. God damn no Graham voters want to explain why. I suspect they are more

anti-Bombtrack than they are believers that Graham is actually the worst of those 8 as a vp choice.

[Darkamber]

20. I voted against Graham

Going for Graham is putting everything on Fl and offers no future in 2012. Unless you want Hillery and then you might want Graham or another VP who will be too old to run.

Also, I'd rather have someone who is not such an insider. Graham would have been a great for VP for say Dean or Edwards, but he isn't needed for Kerry. You have the experience with Kerry and you risk not getting the independents and swing republicans that some of the other choices might bring as well as the whole Midwest.

I just don't like putting everything on one state.

[Bombtrack]

24. 'cause he wouldn't be president he offers no future? that's really a leap

It's more wise to not be tied down to one person for 08 much less 2012, you have no idea what will arise between now and then and who else will emerge.

Graham has a ton of other qualities that I've gone over and over again every time you people throw out this "all he has is Florida" nonsense. That argument could sort of be made for Bill Nelson, but NOT for Bob Graham. As if it's better to have a debate with Cheney in an election that's looking to be more and more about Iraq with a novice on the subject than the person who chaired the intelligence committee and has been the one leading the case in the senate of how Iraq was a distraction from his vote onward.

[WI_DEM]

18. I voted for Sebelius

Nothing against her but she has just been elected Gov. of Kansas and in this day and age a little more than a years experience (tho' she may have had some state level experience prior)is needed. Second, A VP should be counted on to at least deliver his homestate or at least make it a contest and unfortunately, there is no way Bush is going to lose Kansas with or without Sebelius on the ticket. If we go with a female--Landeau makes more sence.

[Mattforclark]

21. Agreed

To answer the question on the last thread, there is no way we are going to win Kansas even with Sebelius on the ticket. As for the Ohio connection, I thought she was just the daughter of an Ohio governor a long time ago. I really don't see that helping much. Maybe 1 or 2000 Ohio votes would be swayed by that, but not much more.

If we want a woman, pick Mary Landrieu or Janet Napolitano. If we want someone to help specifially in one big electoral vote state, pick Graham or maybe Nelson (or even Rendell, given that there are no real contenders from Ohio).

[Bombtrack]

19. 78 votes so far. Can't call it yet

C'Mon

[mrgorth]

23. Voted for Graham

Why? HE'S BORING!!!!! I'm sure he's a great, smart guy and all but I want an attack dog, period.

[Bombtrack]

25. Round three over. Warner voted off

[Skarbrowe]

26. VP?

I've gone over and over this subject with friends and everyone disagrees. heh My personal opinion is that Kerry needs someone with charisma since he seems to be lacking in that department. Also, I heard a soundbite of Kerry doing a rally somewhere and I freaked. He said this very long sentence that made absolutely no sense. It was like his mind clicked off in mid sentence and he had to throw in some words whether they were on subject or not. At least he didn't mispronounce anything. Point being, I TRULY believe that Kerry needs someone exciting, has the gift of gab and can make the ticket shine. But, is Kerry, or anyone running for President too much of an egoist to put someone on the ticket with him that might appear more appealing to the public? Kinda like the Prince Charles/Diana thing.

My mind keeps coming back to Edwards. He's young, he's energetic and I've heard that he can really draw people in when he's face to face with them. That's what Bushboy did. Also, Edwards might help a little in the South. I'm not sure. If Edwards could get VP and Kerry/Edwards could stay in the WH for 8 years, Edwards would get a lot of great on the job training to take his pretty face to the 2012 Election.

Maybe Kerry won't need what I just described above. I think Bob Graham is a great guy in every sense of the word. Extremely knowledgeable. I don't, unfortunetaly, because I know this shouldn't matter, think he has the "excitement" push that could put Kerry over the top. I have the same feeling about Vilsnac (sp) and Nelson, and surprisingly, Clark.

This is all gut feeling. Not really rational.

I voted out Vilsnac..probably because I can't remember how to spell his name.

Skarbrowe

[davsand]

27. Oh NO!!! I did it wrong!!!!

One of those Clark votes was mine and I thought I was voting FOR Wes--not against him!!!!

Dag nab it! I really want Clark to be the VP.


Laura