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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:12 AM
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Handy Guide to Why The Clintons Are The Last Thing The Democratic Party Needs Now


Jorge Cabrera is currently serving federal time for smuggling at least 3,000 pounds of cocaine into the United States He pleaded guilty to those charges and was sentenced to 19 years in federal prison and fined $1.5 million. He sure looks happy standing next to Hillary Clinton at Christmas time in the White House.



Hillary and Bill at a Democratic fund raiser with Ng Lapseng, a Macau criminal boss, who deals in heroin, murder for hire and gun smuggling and donated thousands of dollars to the Clintons.



Johnny Chung gave thousands of dollars to Mrs. Clinton and later pleaded guilty to bank fraud and tax evasion.



Norman Hsu, here with Hillary Clinton, was accused of bilking investors of $1 million and could have been sentenced to up to three years in prison and ordered to pay restitution.



Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

Upon landing on the first stop of a three-country philanthropic tour, the two men were whisked off to share a sumptuous midnight banquet with Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent.

Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin


Since the Hillaryworld campaign says things like "we're just getting started" with bringing up past votes and other fabrications that distort, perhaps it is indeed time to get started with some facts.

Hillary Clinton has been telling us her experience while First Lady helped her attain so much knowledge. Before we discuss the outsourcing issues, it is good to know this about her so-called experience:

Mrs. Clinton did not hold a security clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not given a copy of the president’s daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti and Rwanda.

And during one of President Bill Clinton’s major tests on terrorism, whether to bomb Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, Mrs. Clinton was barely speaking to her husband, let alone advising him, as the Lewinsky scandal sizzled.

In seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton lays claim to two traits nearly every day: strength and experience. But as the junior senator from New York, she has few significant legislative accomplishments to her name. She has cast herself, instead, as a first lady like no other: a full partner to her husband in his administration, and, she says, all the stronger and more experienced for her “eight years with a front-row seat on history.”

Mrs. Clinton’s role in her most high-profile assignment as first lady, the failed health care initiative of the early 1990s, has been well documented. Yet little has been made public about her involvement in foreign policy and national security as first lady. Documents about her work remain classified at the National Archives. Mrs. Clinton has declined to divulge the private advice she gave her husband.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/us/politics/26clinton.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin


So Hillary has always been against NAFTA? Yuh...OK...

Now that we know from official records of her time as First Lady that Clinton was the featured speaker at a closed-door session where 120 women opinion leaders were hectored to pressure their congressional representatives to approve NAFTA; now that we know from ABC News reporting on the session that "her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA" and that "there was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time;" now that we have these details confirmed, what should we make of Clinton's campaign claim that she was never comfortable with the militant free-trade agenda that has cost the United States hundreds of thousands of union jobs, that has idled entire industries, that has saddled this country with record trade deficits, undermined the security of working families in the US and abroad, and has forced Mexican farmers off their land into an economic refugee status that ultimately forces them to cross the Rio Grande River in search of work?

As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."

But the White House records confirm that this is not true.

Her statement is, to be precise, a lie.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=300860


As Hillary Clinton is on record stating that "outsourcing will continue", this handy guide illustrates how the Clintons have disturbingly gotten lots of payoffs from outsourcing interests that gladly fill their coffers in the millions of dollars as long as outsourcing policies continue sending jobs overseas without a hitch from the United States:

The Clintons have reaped significant financial rewards from their relationship with the Indian community, both in their personal finances and Hillary’s campaign fundraising. Hillary Clinton, who is the co-chair of the Senate India Caucus, has drawn criticism from anti-offshoring groups for her vocal support of Indian business and unwillingness to protect American jobs. Bill Clinton has invested tens of thousands of dollars in an Indian bill payment company, while Hillary Clinton has taken tens of thousands from companies that outsource jobs to India. Workers who have been laid off in upstate New York might not think that her recent joke that she could be elected to the Senate seat in Punjab is that funny.

PERSONAL HOLDINGS
2006: Bill Clinton Invested Tens of Thousands In An Indian Bill Payment Company. According to Hillary Clinton’s personal financial disclosure form, as part his ownership of WJC Investments, LP LLC, Bill Clinton held between $15,001 and $50,000 worth of stock in Easy Bill Limited, an Indian company. According to the company’s website, “Functioning as a one-stop bill payment shop, Easy Bill facilitates payment of utility bills as well as recharging of pre-paid mobile connections at a place the consumer is already familiar and comfortable with the neighbourhood store.” In addition to providing terminals throughout India where customers may pay their bills, the company also maintains a call center described as “a dedicated response centre for efficient customer service.”
Hillary Clinton 2006 Financial Disclosure Report, http://www.easybillindia.com /

2006: Bill Clinton Collected $300,000 From Cisco In 2006. Hillary’s personal financial disclosure forms indicate that Bill Clinton gave two speeches to Cisco Systems, each for $150,000 on 5/18/06 and 8/17/06.
(Hillary Clinton 2006 Financial Disclosure Report; 3,4)

CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISING

Hillary Clinton Accepted Almost $60,000 In Contributions From Employees Of Cisco Systems, Which Laid Off American Workers to Hire Indian “Techies.”
Clinton’s Presidential Exploratory Committee took $39,450 from Cisco employees during the first quarter of 2007. Cisco employees have also donated $18,900 to Clinton’s Senate committee between 1999 and 2006. Forbes reported, in a feature called “A Tale of Two Cities” that Cisco was laying off $60,000-a-year “techies,” while hiring new employees in Bangalore, India. “Cisco used only a few Infosys workers in Bangalore six years ago (in 1998); (by 2004, it used) almost 300 contract staff, plus 550 full-fledged employees in its own Bangalore office.” In 2006, Newsweek reported that “for Cisco, India is the new frontier, where it’s investing $1.2 billion to build a gleaming R&D campus that will employ 3,000 people.”
(FEC filings; Forbes, 4/12/04; Newsweek, 3/6/06)

Clinton Donor, Sant Singh Chatwal, Cited Clinton’s India Caucus Work Vowed To Raise $5 Million.
In March 2007, the Economic Times wrote, “(Clinton) has roped in New York-based hotelier Sant Chatwal as co-chair of her recently formed presidential exploratory committee to run for the 2008 White House race. (…) He is also creating an organization called Indian Americans for Hillary 2008.”

In April 2007, Mangalorean reported that Indian Americans for Hillary 2008 (IAFH) had already raised $1 million and “aimed to raise at least five million dollars.” A major fund raiser on June 24 hosted by Chatwal, the founder of IAFH; steel baron, Lakshmi Mittal, and businessman SP Hindujas, was expected to pull more than 1,000 guests. In June 2007, The New York Times reported that “two Indo-American receptions have a total of $450,000 in commitments.”

Chatwal Owed The City Of New York More Than $2 Million In Back Taxes, Fled Prosecution For Fraud But Was Arrested During Visit to India With Bill Clinton.
Sant Singh Chatwal, who raised more $200,000 for Sen. Clinton in 2000, owed New York City $2.4 million in back property taxes. In addition, during a visit to India with Bill Clinton, in May 2001, Chatwal was arrested by authorities there and charged with defrauding the New York City branch of the Bank of India out of $9 million he borrowed in 1994. He posted bail, then fled India, boarding a flight to Vienna despite an attempt by authorities to detain him. .
(New York Daily News, 11/24/02; New York Daily News, 11/7/00)

FDIC Charged Chatwal With Obtaining Improper Loans.
In a separate 1996 case, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. charged Chatwal with obtaining improper loans from the First New York Bank for Business, causing the bank to lose more than $25 million. Chatwal, who was a director of the bank, arranged more than $14 million in loans to himself and his businesses, often with no collateral, said the FDIC. He didn't repay the loans and the bank failed.
(New York Daily News, 11/24/02; New York Daily News, 11/7/00)

Clinton Co-Founded The Senate India Caucus, A Project Of The U.S. India Political Action Committee.
In 2004, Clinton co-founded and became the co-chair of the Senate India Caucus which was coordinated by the U.S. India Political Action Committee (USINPAC). Roll Call reported, “The goals of the caucus, which already has 31 members, include increasing trade with India and improving security against global terrorism.” Sen. Clinton said, “It is imperative that the Unites States do everything possible to reach out to India. This Caucus is dedicated to expanding areas of agreement with India and engaging in a candid dialogue of differences.” (Roll Call, 4/28/04; PR Newswire, 4/29/04)

2005: Anti-Offshoring Advocacy Group Gave Sen. Clinton A “Weasel Award,” Citing Pro-Outsourcing Comments Clinton Made In India.
The Press Trust of India wrote, “An American anti-offshoring advocacy group has awarded its first ‘Weasel Award of 2005’ to Democrat Senator Hillary Clinton for her recent remarks supporting outsourcing. The Delaware-based IT Professionals Association of America (ITPAA) representing over 1,200 IT professionals nationwide, said on its Web site that it presented this award to business and political leaders that it believes ‘betray the trust of the American people.’

Scott Kirwin, founder of the organization claimed that people were ‘tired of Democrats pretending they care about the problems facing average Americans. Senator Clinton’s actions prove they clearly do not.’ The ITPAA based its award on press reports of Hilary Clinton supporting outsourcing and assuring political and business leaders in India that the US would not attempt to save the jobs lost. ‘

"Outsourcing will continue. There is no way to legislate against reality. We are not in favor of putting up fences."
Hillary had said on Feb 28 in India, according to a report by the Asia Times. Kirwin also cited her position as co-chair of the ‘Friends of India Caucus’ in the Senate, a group of senators that supports issues important to India, including outsourcing and H-1B and L-1 visas, as another reason behind the ITPAA's decision to give the award to the prospective Democrat presidential nominee.”
(Press Trust Of India, 3/5/05; Link To Weasel Award)

2/05: On India Trip, Clinton Allayed India’s Fears That Outsourcing Would End.
The India Review wrote, “Senator Clinton allayed apprehensions in India that there would be a bar on outsourcing. ‘There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue,” she said. (India Review, 4/05, accessed, 6/7/07)

Sen. Clinton (D-Punjab) Joked That She Was Senator From The Punjab Region In India.
“At the fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000 for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, ‘'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,’ after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab.”
(India Abroad, 3/17/06)

Clinton Says “Outsourcing Does Work Both Ways.”
Crain’s New York Business wrote, “Mrs. Clinton may be motivated by a desire to uphold the free trade legacy of the Clinton years. (…) In an appearance on CNN’s Lou Dobbs Tonight, she boasted about attracting 10 jobs to New York from India-based Tata Consulting. When Mr. Dobbs inquired if she had understood the degree to which Tata, which helps U.S. companies outsource, was stealing American jobs, Mrs. Clinton rejoined: ‘They’ve actually brought jobs to Buffalo. Outsourcing does work both ways.’” (Crain’s New York Business, 6/21/04; CNN, 3/3/04)

In An Interview With Lou Dobbs, Senator Clinton Defended Her Support Of Tata Consulting, A Company That Brought Ten Jobs To Native Buffalo Residents But Destroyed Thousands Of Jobs Over The Years.
Lou Dobbs asked Clinton, “Senator, a number of people pointed out to us, e-mailing us and calling us, saying, ask the senator about her helping Tata Consulting, a well-known outsourcer, open jobs --and office in Buffalo, New York. I’m asking you, did you really understand the degree to which they were involved in outsourcing jobs when you were there?” Clinton replied, “Well, of course I know that they outsource jobs, that they’ve actually brought jobs to Buffalo. They’ve created 10 jobs in Buffalo and have told me and the Buffalo community that they intend to be a source of new jobs in the area, because, you know, outsourcing does work both ways.” (CNN, 3/3/04)

Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) Is Famous For Pioneering The Business Practice Of Off-shoring.
The San Jose Mercury News wrote, “TCS, however, will go down in the annals of offshoring as the original high-tech body shop. Starting in the early 1990s, TCS blanketed the American landscape with legions of itinerant software programmers from India. (…) Tata pioneered an industry that eventually evolved into the dynamo of offshoring, or sending work to cheap labor markets overseas. (…) Tata’s methods have not been popular among U.S. technology workers, however, who complain guest workers suppress local wages and offshoring takes good jobs overseas.”
(San Jose Mercury News, 12/6/04)

Tata’s Buffalo, N.Y. Training Center Caters To The Needs Of The Company’s 8,000 Employees In The United States, 80 Percent Of Whom Are Workers From India.
India Abroad wrote, “At the Chrysalis Center TCS will host new employees in month-long training sessions to make them aware of the company’s history and culture and to hone their core IT skills that will bridge existing knowledge with advanced skills necessary to work on innovative projects for customers.” The center will also cater to the training needs of the more than 8,000 TCS employees across the US, 80 percent of whom are from India, according to Buffalo News.
(India Abroad, 7/30/04; Buffalo News, 7/20/04)

Gupta Said Democrats’ Stand On Outsourcing Was Poll-Year Rhetoric.
The Economic Times wrote, “Vinod ‘Vin’ Gupta (…) also believes that the Democratic Party’s stand on outsourcing is more poll year rhetoric than any serious economic policy statement. ‘We have to compete globally and US has to find the best product and services at the best cost. Tapping global resources will obviously make the US economy stronger,’ says Gupta whose own company InfoUSA outsources both technology support and database work to vendors in India. Gupta, who has helped Hillary Clinton and Al Gore in fund-raising efforts for their campaigns, is now involved in fund raising efforts for Senator Kerry.”
(The Economic Times, 3/29/04)





Creepy Religious Links

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian “cell” whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the antiunion Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat. Clinton’s prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or “the Family”), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to “spiritual war” on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship’s only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has “made a fetish of being invisible,” former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God’s plan.

(snip)

The Fellowship’s long-term goal is “a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit.” According to the Fellowship’s archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship’s God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe’s Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/010937.php


The Bosnia Trip-Up

In perhaps the best ad the McCain campaign can use, Hillary Clinton says this about a trip to Bosnia where she and her daughter were greeted nicely. What does she say?

"I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia... we came in in an evasive maneuver... I remember landing under sniper fire... there was no greeting ceremony... we ran with our heads down, we basically were told to run to our cars... there was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, we basically were told to run to our cars, that is what happened."

See what REALLY Happened:
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c





Hillary Clinton Lies About Credit to SCHIP

In campaign speeches, Clinton describes the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, as an initiative "I helped to start." Addressing Iowa voters in November, Clinton said, "in 1997, I joined forces with members of Congress and we passed the State Children's Health Insurance Program." Clinton regularly cites the number of children in each state who are covered by the program, and mothers of sick children have appeared at Clinton campaign rallies to thank her.

But the Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children's health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, because of fears that it would derail a bigger budget bill. And several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996.

"The White House wasn't for it. We really roughed them up" in trying to get it approved over the Clinton administration's objections, Hatch said in an interview. "She may have done some advocacy over at the White House, but I'm not aware of it."

"I do like her," Hatch said of Hillary Clinton. "We all care about children. But does she deserve credit for SCHIP? No - Teddy does, but she doesn't."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/


Was Hillary Clinton responsible for bringing peace to Ireland? Perhaps not...



Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

Mrs Clinton has made Northern Ireland key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience, which helped her defeat Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday after she presented herself as being ready to tackle foreign policy crises at 3am.

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," she told CNN on Wednesday. But negotiators from the parties that helped broker the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 told The Daily Telegraph that her role was peripheral and that she played no part in the gruelling political talks over the years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml


There's more, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

As long as Hillary Clinton remains in the race, it is my duty as a Democrat to make sure every Democrat knows just how vile both she and her husband are. It has to be a two=prong attack as far as I'm concerned. Get the word out on Hillary Clinton's litany of lies for as long as she remains and continue to attack McCain's record while trying to fight back against the Clintons, who are endorsing the Democratic Party's opposition.

The Democratic Party now has to completely expose the Clintons for who they are...they are only in it for themselves and will try to destroy the Democratic Party IF WE LET THEM.









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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:18 AM
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1. Several of your points are why I never expected Hillary to be a viable candidate.
I was stunned when she was annointed as the inevitable one. I hope Obama is able to withstand the kitchen sink. I think Clinton is the worst thing for our party at this time.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:14 AM
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36. Wow, I never liked Hillary Clinton...
she reminds me too much of myself

obstinate, too, and better educated (another minus)

Honestly, I wouldn't want myself in office and I wouldn't want Hillary in office.

How are these fascinating details woven into her life. What has she had to withstand to withhold her heart and assert survival as an over-arching crown...to anoint to annotate "in herstory"? What about her life with normal pauses punctuated by reminiscences. She had a ten year plan and more and more and a daughter and an interesting husband and, (again), a gracious daughter. She has her will ...and a finish line.

This is what history is good for, to understand some of this.

I'm looking at Hillary and I'm looking at myself and I hope it all works-out.

???
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:18 PM
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60. Hey what - you are much too hard on yourself. Give yourself a hug n/t
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:19 AM
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2. Wow what a summary
Thank you for putting the research to bring this all together.


Sonia
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:20 AM
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3. Nice try, but the average voter could give a good god damn about "way back when".
Rezko, Obama's crooked benefactor, will have 10 times more impact.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:21 AM
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5. Nice try, but the RW has been doing oppo research against Hillary for 16 years
And they'll be ready for her with all their guns blazing.

She's not "vetted". Not remotely. Every single skeleton up there and a few thousand more will appear if she's nominated.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:26 AM
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9. If Hillary and Bill want to brag about the "Clinton Years", well that's fine with me
Many of the newer scandals will be further illustrated and connected if the Clintons keep to their word and release their tax records in a couple weeks. From there, the wheels will fall off and I am going to be there making sure they are completely exposed and run out of town.

As for the Rezko case, that investigation's prosecution has stated repeatedly that Obama has done NO WRONGDOING.

As you will see, the Clintons have made MILLIONS of dollars helping to destroy jobs...and so much more.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:40 AM
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19. "No wrongdoing" on Obama's part, maybe. What about his "judgement"?
He touts that as his biggest virtur.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:59 AM
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28. Again with the “We know Hillary has no judgment, and she is crooked, and a liar ". But look
We will prove to you Obama is too!!!

Why are you supporting her knowing this shit to begin with.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:26 AM
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10. Is that we know the Clintons are crooks, but we don't care?
Plus, the media can revive anything, as long as it hasn't been brought up during the primaries. Also, some of that is fresh meat.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:27 AM
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11. God knows, her 12-year-old trip to Bosnia has done no damage to her campaign.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 12:28 AM by Mooney
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:27 AM
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12. Yeah so who the fuck cares if she's crooked!
If the average-joe schmoe don't know about it and don't care about it, NO ONE SHOULD!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:35 AM
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16. Obama's the one who claims to bring a "breath of fresh air" to American politics.
:spray:
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:38 AM
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17. He sure is! Good point oasis!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:51 AM
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24. That's right. Not claiming that means you don't have to be.
Which is good...because Hillary sure as shit isn't a breath of fresh air.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:52 AM
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46. "Outsourcing will continue" & Senator D-Punjab are RECENT. It's a shame Obama doesn't use them
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:12 AM
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51. I think Obama is going to do a speech on trade issues and will bring this up
Now that the NAFTA records are out, I would expect a speech on that since it is very important in Pennsylvania and North Carolina.

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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:17 PM
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84. So we all welcome you to post facts about Obama of the same type
so we can make the comparison. I'm an Obama supporter at this time, but I welcome sound information from journlistic sources that can help change my mind. I'm familiar with the Rezko situation - it's been reported on in detail - if there is an early impact during the primary season, it has probably been absorbed already.

Besides, who is the average voter? You? And, you say that recent connections with corrupt figures who have helped finance HRC's campaign and have a stake in her policies regarding trade have no impact on your opinion?

They reinforce my opinion of Clinton. Does that make me an above average voter?

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:02 AM
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86.  Average voters don't visit DU. Many posters here believe Hugo Chavez
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 12:02 AM by oasis
of Venezuela can walk on water.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:20 AM
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4. My hope is that we not only get rid of the Bush Admin. but also the Clinton regime....
I think that the American people are sick and tired of business as usual... It's time for change.... Lets roll Barack...
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:21 AM
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6. OOF
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:23 AM
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7. Several of your points are why I have at times ignored politics completely...
Going back to the Carter years, that is, and not to unfairly blame the Clintons for the way things have gone. I am hoping that this time it will be different.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:25 AM
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8. But... but... "god damn America!" n/t
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:32 AM
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13. is TNR accepted as a source here?
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 12:33 AM by DerekJ
Edit: I have a relevant article from TNR. That's why I am asking.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:33 AM
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15. Yes....why wouldn't it be?
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:40 AM
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20. Thanks FrenchieCat
I posted the article from TNR
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:33 AM
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14. Don't forget the tax returns,
the upcoming Peter F. Paul 17 million dollar fraud suit, scheduled for April 28th, in where he will be seeking sworn testimony from the both Clintons.



and then of course, the library donor issues.

And of course, that's not to even think of the pardons being reopened by the Right Wing.

and last but not least, the possible "bimbo" erruption still waiting in the wings:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/car-news/this-ought-to-spice-things-up-at-chrysler/6339595+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/belinda-stronach-and-bill-clinton.jpg
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:57 AM
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27. I assume by 'bimbo eruption' you are talking about the blonde woman
She is clearly displaying a weeding ring in the bottom picture. Who is she, and why should we care if she is having an affair with President Clinton? I personally don't give a crap about Bill Clinton's sex life.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:54 AM
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47. because the mediawhores care and will torment us with Bill's inability to control himself
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:39 AM
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18. The donor, the Sleaze, The Scandal, The Damage
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca-4683-a9d1-3c55d748946e&k=60222

It's not that we expect politicians to have squeaky-clean donor lists. You try running for office without, at one point or another, taking money from someone you probably shouldn't. Even Barack Obama, Mr. Clean, has Tony Rezko. But the Frank Giustra-Kazakhstan-Uranium affair, blown open by The New York Times last week, serves as a reminder that the relationship between the Clintons and money has not always been lily-white. Here, a guide to the unsavory characters who have been associated with Bill and Hillary Clinton.


THE DONOR
Norman Hsu, Hong Kong "apparel executive."

THE GREEN
Hsu bundled more than $850,000 for Hillary's presidential campaign and $260,000 for Clinton's Senate races.


THE SCANDAL
Hsu parlayed his charming, obsequious personality into a spot as one of the top twenty Democratic fund-raisers nationwide. Problem is, he turned out to be a convicted felon, on the lam since 1992 due to a grand theft conviction. Then, this December, Hsu was indicted for running a pyramid scheme that defrauded investors out of at least $20 million and that made $25,000 a year in fraudulent political donations.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
8. Hsu missed his initial (September 5) court date for the 1992 grand theft charge, only to be apprehended a day later on a train in Colorado; he was "freaked out," shirtless, shoeless, and holding a suitcase packed with Tiffany jewelry and $7,000 in cash. Now in federal custody, he confessed to running "phony" companies and leaning on investors to make political donations.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Extensive Hsu coverage stretched out over several news cycles during Hillary's presidential campaign, and the sordid details of the affair--the pyramid schemes, the links to Asian gangs, the eccentric professional con artist himself--stirred up memories of Clinton fund-raising scandals past. Hillary blamed the fiasco on errors in the donor-screening process.


**


THE DONOR
Marc Rich, fugitive American businessman; Denise Rich, songwriter and socialite.


THE GREEN
Denise Rich contributed $70,000 to Hillary's Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.


THE SCANDAL
Over seventeen years after Marc Rich fled to Switzerland to avoid charges of racketeering, illegal trading, and tax evasion (he owed $48 million), Bill Clinton pardoned Rich during his last moments in the White House. His ex-wife Denise's generous donations and Friend of Bill status gave the pardon a particularly rotten stench.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
7.5. Rich has been accused of a long list of white-collar crimes. The classiest: trading with Iran while the country was still holding U.S. hostages.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
9.5. As Hillary began her career in the Senate, a media frenzy and investigations in both houses of Congress and the Justice Department were launched to see if Denise's contributions bought her ex-husband's pardon. Though the president was never indicted for wrongdoing, the Rich affair is often mentioned as Exhibit A of Clintonian sliminess.


**


THE DONOR
Aaron Tonken, former Hollywood fund-raiser, current federal penitentiary inmate in California.


THE GREEN
In 2000 he hosted a fund-raiser that took in more than $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.


THE SCANDAL
Tonken originally drew interest from the FBI for failing to report some donations from the event to the FEC. Although he was never charged for election-law violations, in 2003 he pleaded guilty to stealing from charities, including, according to an ABC News report, the Betty Ford clinic. He is currently serving a five-year sentence for mail and wire fraud.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
9. The self-described con man got his start in Hollywood as Zsa Zsa Gabor's dog keeper. He sold stories about her to tabloids and snuck tourists into her dilapidated, dog feces-ridden mansion while she was out of town. In his memoir, King of Cons, Tonken wrote, "In a land of moral imbeciles, I knew I could be king."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. A fund-raising committee for Hillary Clinton's 2000 campaign had to pay $35,000 in fines to the FEC for underreporting the costs of the gala, even though a federal inquiry failed to find any culpability on the Clintons' part. The financial burden to the Clinton campaign was insignificant--the real harm done was in the image of guilt by association.


**


THE DONOR
Peter F. Paul, renaissance man, jack of all trades.


THE GREEN
He co-hosted the 2000 fund-raiser with Tonken.


THE SCANDAL
How did Paul underwrite the gala? According to The Washington Post, by improperly borrowing more than $4 million from Merrill Lynch. Shortly after that was discovered, Paul hopped a plane to Brazil and spent years waging a two-front war: fighting extradition and trying to sue Hillary for underreporting the value of the event. In 2003, Paul was extradited to the U.S., and Clinton agreed to pay a $35,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
9.5. You've gotta give this guy credit for flamboyance. According to The Washington Post, Paul's laundry list of crimes includes a 1970s plot to sell $8.75 million worth of nonexistent coffee beans to Fidel Castro--the plan was to sink an empty cargo ship before it reached Cuba so he could keep the cash. In 1979, he was imprisoned for fraud and cocaine possession, then later violated parole, reportedly fleeing to Canada with a dead man's identity. After his release from prison in the '80s, he served as partner and manager to Fabio.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. Hillary offered the same explanation for missing Paul's criminal background as she gave for missing Norman Hsu's: technical errors in the vetting process. It worked--by 2008, most Americans have forgotten about Peter F. Paul.


**


THE DONOR
Sant S. Chatwal, founder of Bombay Palace restaurants.


THE GREEN
In 2000, Chatwal hosted a half-million dollar fund-raiser for Clinton in New York. In 2007, he declared his intentions to raise $5 million for Hillary's presidential campaign.


THE SCANDAL
According to The Washington Post, as of September 2007, The IRS was pursuing him for $4 million in back taxes, the State of New York for another $5 million, and the FDIC is suing himin connection with a failed bank venture. The Post wrote, "Yet none of the legal and financial woes--occasionally touched on in American or Indian newspapers or highlighted by political opponents--raised red flags inside Hillary Clinton's fund-raising operation."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
4. Though Chatwal's legal troubles span several suits and two continents (he's also been charged with bank fraud in India), his alleged crimes lack the color and imagination of, say, a Peter F. Paul.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
1. So far, none. But if any of the lawsuits against him come to a head during election season, the timing would be awful for Clinton.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:41 AM
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21. Wow! She's even worse than I thought!
No wonder they're keeping all their tax, etc. records hidden from Democratic voters!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:45 AM
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22. K & R
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:49 AM
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23. can we all say military earmarks.....
hillary`s numbers--- 2007 Defense earmarks: $110,520,000

2001-07 Campaign contributions from earmark recipients: $378,660


http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/favorfactory/lawmaker.php?id=S0NY00188
The Seattle Times: Earmarks


barack`s numbers--- 2007 Defense earmarks: $3,300,000


2001-07 Campaign contributions from earmark recipients: $97,250


http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/favorfactory/lawmaker.php?id=S4IL00180
The Seattle Times: Earmarks

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:52 AM
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25. Makes Rezko look like...well nothing.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:55 AM
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26. **Crickets **
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:59 AM
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29. K and R and Thanks to all who put this thread together eom
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:16 AM
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30. Kick
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:37 AM
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31. ummm yikes nt
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:41 AM
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32. kick
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:46 AM
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33. This thread is not going anywhere.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:55 AM
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34. .
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:02 AM
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35. .
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:18 AM
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38. .
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:31 AM
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39. .
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:43 AM
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40. .
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:59 AM
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41. .
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 04:26 AM
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43. .
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:17 AM
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37. I am always happy to e-mail posts such as yours to my circle of friends
many of whom still are Hillary supporters despite their complete ignorance of her record.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:11 AM
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42. Interesting stuff. nt
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:42 AM
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44. At this point, only the logically challenged could believe ANY accusations against the Clintons.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 06:24 AM by Perry Logan
Despite an endless series of bogus investigations and an unprecedented, all-out media war against him, Bill Clinton's wound up being the cleanest two-term administration of the 20th century.

As measured by the total number of convictions and forced resignations within his administration, Clinton's was the CLEANEST two-term administration since Teddy Roosevelt. That's a mindblower to most Americans, who have been saturated for decades with absolute Clinton hatred in the media.

The truth is, both Hillary and Bill have excellent records--which is, of course, quite inconsistent with their being corrupt. That's why the Clintons' main detractors tend to know doodley-squat about the Clintons' actual accomplishments. It just doesn't fit the fantasy of the Clintons being villains. You can mess these people up simply by posting the Clinton records here.

Fellow philosophers, we all know that accusations of wrongdoing are not wrongdoing. Accusations of corruption are not corruption. Accusations of lies are not lies. These are classic tactics for smearing one's opponent. And no one in history has been smeared more than the Clintons. With that kind of hatred directed against them, it's simply illogical to believe any accusations against the Clintons.

Most people instinctively understand this--a fact evidenced by the millions of people who still support the beleaguered Clinton clan.

I submit that if the Clintons were a tenth as bad as their detractors say, no one on God's green Earth would be supporting them at this point. But of course, millions of good people support the Clintons and like them just fine.

This raises a troubling question: Do the Clinton-haters really think millions of people are fools or rogues for still liking the Clintons? Do they really have that much contempt for their fellow citizens?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:48 AM
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45. Refute the charges on the Clintons and stop the silly Clintonian Excusenik garbage
If you can supply a link that the Clinton administration had the "cleanest administration", that still doesn't address 95% of the issues in the OP that have happened AFTER the Clinton adminsitration.

It's not HATE for the Clintons... it's EVIDENCE showing how the Clintons are not friends of the actual issues of the Democratic Party.

Refute the charges and we'll go from there...otherwise, you are proposing a simple diversionary tactic of "look over there...look over there..."

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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:09 AM
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76. Wow...your post is one fallacy after another and you call yourself a philosopher?
Amazing logic:

1. The Clintons are hated people.
2. No accusations against hated people can logically be believed.
Therefore: No accusation against the Clintons can be logically beleived.

This is pure idiocy.

Bush is a hated person
Bush has been accused of leading us into war without proper planning.
No accusations against hated people can logically be believed.
Therefore: We can't logically believe that Bush lead us into war without proper planning.


Pfft.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:10 AM
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81. by this logic lies are not lies
for no falsehoods can escape the lips of Hillary; (bow 3 times, howl like a BIG dog) the gracious Lady of all our Freedoms, the most desirable, the most fortunate, we must worship Her and all Her works for She is the chosen one, the desired, our Lady of Perpetual Misspeaking
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:01 AM
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48. A Clinton on the ticket would mean non-stop Whitewater Travelgate Fostergate
Bimbogate Taxreturngate etc etc until Jeb returned to put us out of our collective misery in 2012.

Thanks for the painful memories!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:45 AM
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50. I didn't even get into how Hillary is a warmonger or how the Clintons would give the GOP...
...the best chance of mobilizing their base if they are on the ticket. This includes even having Hillary Clinton as the VP. That would be just as damaging.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:13 PM
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65.  Energize the rightwing nuts -- shit, you're spot on!
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Fyddlestyx Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:28 AM
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49. K & R
:kick:
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:15 AM
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52. Off subject a it, but I thought this was funny.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/129586/page/1

Kriminal Karl gives political advice to the Democrats. It's titled, "How to Win in a Knife Fight". Karl is koncerned for the "Democrat" Party. How touching.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:17 AM
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53. Should have added Hillary's Faustian Deals with Murdock and Mellon-Scaife
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:21 AM
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54. Was this on the Republican National Committee website?
Because I could have sworn it was. You know the place that encourages lies and truth twisting, just like the articles in the OP.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:39 AM
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56. So are you saying these are not true?
Care to rebut them all?
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reddconsole Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:26 AM
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55. This is just more
"Let's force Obama on the Democrats so McCain gets elected" right-wing, Karl Rove media manipulation.

Good Luck in PA April 22, Hillary!
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bagrman Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:13 PM
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57. The Clintons represent "old school politics", Obama is a Statesman.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:19 PM
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58. Kick!
And Rec!

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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:56 PM
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59. The Kazakhstan.story on Bill is especially troublesome
As for Obama, Jonathan Alter stated on Keith last week that, contrary to the perception that he hasn't been around long enough to be fully vetted, in actuality he has already been thoroughly and completely vetted, and the Reverend Wright controversy and the Rezko non-story really are the only things there.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 04:12 PM
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61. That story would pretty much drag the Clintons down in a week if it were covered
It was a story that came up on a very busy news day recently, but if it was covered with the same veracity as the Wright story, it would be a major smackdown.

It may come up in April with the Clintons FINALLY releasing their taxes... we'll see. They are going to get hammered mid-April.

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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:10 PM
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62. kick
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:12 PM
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63. Rezco!
Sorry, I have no links. :(
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:13 PM
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64. I can't even spell his name.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:13 PM
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66. Nevermind!
:D
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:34 PM
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68. LoL
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:34 PM
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67. K&R
This needs to be out there, thank you.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:37 PM
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69. Info Dump Free Republic style. {EOM}
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:22 PM
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70. Refute anything with solid evidence against and I'll send you $20
Let's see what you've got...

I bet it's nothing but cricket sounds.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:43 AM
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79. Please debunk!
I'll be waiting!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:28 PM
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71. K & R!!
Several of us have been bringing her offshoring support up for a few years now. Not only is it telling that her supporters whistle around this one like a dead elephant legs up in a kitchen, but that it's not very widely reported in the media, who really wants her to win because the corporate handlers benefit either way counting this issue alone.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/32
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:50 PM
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72. New School Thing
Its simple really.. all you need is a heart that truly cares for others, a willingness to work to better the lives of others, a mind that thinks of the good in others, and a mouth to communicate what is in your heart...

Barack Obama has been successful in doing these things and that is why 20,000 people came out on a Sunday afternoon today to see him...

That is why I encourage you to vote for Obama, and join a movement sweeping accross this country that will change the world...

Visit www.barackobama.com
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:06 PM
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73. I would suggest that Obama bring up her outsourcing lust as well as her lies about NAFTA support
Pennsylvania and North Carolina voters need to know this stuff front and center.

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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:13 PM
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74. r & r & printed & emailed
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:18 PM
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75. I agree with Obama, Hillary would be nothing more then "Bush-lite"... yes indeed!
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reddconsole Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:13 AM
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83. Obama
is Republican lite, yes indeed. And in the unlikely event he wins the general election, he'll be a lame duck from day one. Yes indeed, Karl Rove. Who needs wedge issues when you have Obama!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:51 AM
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77. kickty kick
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:20 AM
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78. Thanks. I forwarded this to several people. n/t
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:56 AM
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80. Hillary won Ohio by lying about NAFTA.
She lied about Obama's position and her own. And since Ohio she dropped the issue completely. I can't believe more people aren't sick of her shit by now.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:54 AM
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82. Hopefully Pennsylvanians will not be duped by her real NAFTA views
It has to come out...
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:19 PM
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85. K&R No More of this stuff!!!!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:26 AM
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87. kick
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:25 AM
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88. kick
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:49 AM
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89. Kick for excellence !
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