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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:06 PM
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On good, old KO, regarding Hillary
Given all the flak some Hillary supporters have given Keith Olbermann over how he has "unfairly" treated Hillary, I expect you guys will be owing him an apology. It doesn't look like she's going to make it to the "worsts" list over her Tuzla lie, and if that doesn't get her on that list, then nothing will. In fact, it is the perfect sort of thing for his worsts.

The only reason he wouldn't put her up there is if he was biased for Hillary, not against her. (He might very well like Obama more, but he does seem to be giving preferential treatment to Hillary here).
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:08 PM
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1. Yea, whatever you say. nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:10 PM
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2. I watch an Olbermann clip the other day
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 02:10 PM by gateley
where he pled with her to stop with the negative campaigning (I don't know when the segment aired).

He prefaced his statement by saying some very supportive things about her, and expressed appreciation to the President (Clinton), Hillary and her campaign for all their help (?). I got the impression he was a Hillary supporter. :shrug:
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:13 PM
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3. Maybe you missed a number of Hillary supporters here trashing him for that special comment
I agree, it was very supportive of her as a person (if not her current campaign).
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:24 PM
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4. Did he make BO worsts lists everytime he yelled race for abso-
lutely no reason other than race baiting? Does he make BO Worst everytime he lies and dishes dirt about Hillary? Did he make BO worst for sitting in church for 20yrs listening to an anti-American, white hating preacher? AND exposing his kids to it?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:41 PM
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7. Another Free Speech Advocate...
...as long as it's Free Speech that you agree with?


"Did he make BO worst for sitting in church for 20yrs listening to an anti-American, white hating preacher? AND exposing his kids to it?"

So Reverend Wright is anti-American because he let loose with his own personal frustration and used his rights as guaranteed under the First Amendment? He also hates whites because he stated something that he feels is factual, at least to him?

Unlike you I believe in the concept of Free Speech, whether I agree with it or not, whether I find it to abhorrent or totally evil in its context. Because if you limit Free Speech to only what you agree with, or what you think is appropriate, then you're no better then Hitler, Stalin, or any other dictator who has lived.

Perhaps you can show the rest of us exactly what effect that exposing his children to it has had?

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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:45 PM
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10. He grew up with an anti-American mother, he identifies with the
fathers side rather than the grandparents who helped raise him. The hate will fester in his children as it has him if he keeps exposing them to it. What parent regardless of race would want their child to go to church to hear a hate filled message? I have never heard such talk in a church. In every church I've attended love and understanding is preached. God knows there's enough hate to go around in this old world without hearing it in the Lords House.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:00 PM
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13. The idea his church preaches hate is a most absurd myth.
Seriously, go look at some sermons done by Wright. You'll find out 2 things.

1. The short sound bites that have shown on T.V. are not representative of most of his sermons.

2. They are not even representative of the sermons they were taken from.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:50 PM
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8. When did Obama lie about Clinton?
Yes, he should have said "had caviar parties" instead of "tea parties." BFD!

Tex Shelters
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:55 PM
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11. He lies when he attacks the Clintons on race. The Clintons are
not racists. No politician can be a racist, and everyone knows the Clintons would be the last ones to use race. That actually is what did it for me with BO. He may have gained some AA votes for his grandstanding comments but I can assure you he lost at least the same amount of white votes for it. He should have left race out of the discussion. This is 2008 there are few people that would have voted for or against a person because of it, but because BO knew this he stirred the pot and turned to race baiting..
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:04 PM
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15. Who in Obama's campaign has called the Clinton's racist?
Who has even implied it?

No one. (just try to find an example).
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:50 PM
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9. I think Keith reads..

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


Born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. is one of the most widely acclaimed black preachers in the United States. Combining social concern, spiritual growth, and political activism, Wright, who preaches in a black traditional style, brings a message of hope, redemption, and renewal. In 1972 he became pastor of a small United Church of Christ congregation in the inner city of Chicago. After over 30 years in the pulpit, his congregation has grown to 10,000 and is the largest United Church of Christ congregation in the United States.
In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.


After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.
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When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church. Wright embraced his new congregation took up the phrase coined by his predecessor Rev. Dr. Reuben Sheares, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." Within months the church had adopted the phrase as its motto and vision. Under Wright's leadership, fueled by his passion, and motivated by his preaching, the congregation began to grow by leaps and bounds. By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with
people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Wright has authored several books, including Africans Who Shaped Our Faith, Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, and What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. According to Cleophus J. LaRue in The Heart of Black Preaching, in his title sermon of What Makes You So Strong, Wright "demonstrates the power of the mighty sovereign at work in the lives of black people in twentieth century America. This sermon focuses on the root of black strength and survivability. Wright makes it clear throughout the sermon that the source of all strength, and especially black strength, is none other than the Spirit of God." As in his preaching, in his writing Wright focuses on the
dual issues of corporate concern and spiritual sustenance. His latest publication, What Can Happen When We Pray: A Daily Devotional, was published in 2002.
In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher,
teacher, and lecturer.

http://www.dogonvillage.com/blogs/african_american/archives/140



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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:05 PM
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16. :) Welcome to my ignore list! :) Plenty of room for doofuses like you. n/t
:eyes:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:29 PM
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5. Ah, they didn't mind him when Hillary and Bill were on. Fair weather friends suck ass.
Fuck 'em.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:38 PM
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6. If he chooses not to make a big deal of Tuzla
it will be because his ratings following the last anti-Hill rant went south. How could they not? He was alienating much of his Dem audience.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:17 PM
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12. KO is a sorry excuse for journalism regardless of who he supports
and if he was a real journalist no one would know who he is voting for.

His show is a waste of time
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:03 PM
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14. I actually think it would be better if journalists were honest about their opinions and biases
That way we could judge what they say based on that, and they could feel more free to share their honest evaluation of the news.

As it is now, they try so hard to be "objective" that they feel that they can't even call anyone on much of anything. Which, I think, played a role in not questioning President Bush on the Iraq War more, among other things.
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