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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:20 PM
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The fact that the superdelegates aren't intervening suggests to me the majority support HRC
If they were likely to come out for Obama, I'd think they have done so already. Why let someone they don't support destroy the party's chances to win in the fall? No, I think the vast majority of thoes uncommitted support her and are just waiting to be given a viable excuse to do so.

If Obama had sizable support of the superdelegates, after Clinton's Mccain endorsement and Wright flame-throwing, they'd have acted. The fact that they haven't lends great credibility to the idea they are enamored with HRC in my view.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:21 PM
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1. More likely they don't want to burn bridges.
And with the "Judas" crack, can you blame them? :shrug:
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dethl Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:22 PM
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2. I'd wait until after all the primaries are over first.
My guess is that because this race will be so close the SDs are waiting until the convention.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:23 PM
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3. you think that they are waiting to see how ignorant some White Voters are?
:shrug:

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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:23 PM
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4. Not necessarily, they could all just be on wait and see, like Gore
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:23 PM
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5. So then why wouldn't they come out for Clinton?
Why wouldn't her wins in Ohio and Texas be a "viable?" time to come out? She'll be even less viable after PA even if she wins it.

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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:23 PM
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6. Dream on...
They haven't acted because they don't want to charged with "ending the campaigns" and "not letting the voters be heard".

Now that the math is getting harder and harder to justify AND the concern that Hillary is damaging the chances of a Democratic Presidency... maybe they will end this.

But they won't be giving it to Hillary.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:24 PM
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7. wrong. They have not come out because they fear the Clintons.
They know what the Clintons do to people who cross them.
Just look at Bill Richardson.

But it will become evident to them soon enough that the Clintons are finished, and there is nothing more to fear from them.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:26 PM
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9. BINGO. Don't forget that they cowered to Bush for the last 7 and change fucking years.
They need to grow fucking spines.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:27 PM
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10. Exactly!!!
If they fear the Clintons now, they will never STOP fearing them. They could be bullied into endorsing her and stealing this.
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:38 PM
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19. The leadership arent "afraid" of the Clintons they are boxing them in carefully.
Like a ferrel animal, they know from demonstrated experience that political animals like the Clintons bite back when cornered and losing ground backed into a corner.

The supers aren't pro Clinton in their slowness, just the opposite, They are pro Democratic Nominee and they know when she loses she will do nothing but attack the Democrat as she has already shown she is willing to do.

They are just biding their time, removing the excuses she can use to justify it, so she can be called for her upcoming Anti Democrat attack.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:25 PM
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8. there is no way
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:28 PM
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11. I think
That the ones that were outright Clinton supporters jumped on board back in 2007. Half of the ones that are left are DNC people from all the states who are probably just enjoying the attention from both campaigns right now.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:30 PM
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12. *sigh* would you mind changing your username
from Tropics_Dude83 to Chicken_Little83?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:30 PM
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13. superdelegates not yet committed


339 Not yet committed

75 are not even chosen yet and are specifically called 'add ons'

6 are bigshots like Pres Carter most of whom have indicated a leaning towards Obama but are waiting for the convention to vote.

107 are elected officials - some in states not yet voting

151 DNC delegates


Some of these have decided but there simply is no announcement to go by

Many are like Pelosi who have indicated they will vote for the candidate that gets the most pledged delegates (Obama is now only 220 away from that).

There is no evidence that Hillary has much support in superdelegates except those that decided early




Also if any of the early deciders switch to Obama it will cost Hillary twice.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:32 PM
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15. They need to act NOW though
If they want to have any hope of winning in November. That's my concern.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:19 PM
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29. fine but the OP is wrong they are leaning towards Obama big time
Cantrell (WA) indicated today that she will be changing to Obama when he gets 50% of the pledged delegates.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:44 PM
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32. You can get super D point of view at this site
http://www.mrsuper.org/

Good place to get lots of your super D questions answered
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:50 PM
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22. I wanna see that curve drop into the x,-y quadrant
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 06:50 PM by JackORoses
oh yeah!
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:32 PM
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14. It shouldn't. if anything it actually signals her weakness, They know.....
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 06:59 PM by ThatBozGuy
She will attack the Democratic party if they step in now, so they will wait until the final primary(if she makes it that long, due to her money failures) and then they will close the delegate lead over the top.

Supers have already begun organizing a "mini convention" which is a firehouse caucus immediately following the end of primary voting and even Ms Clintons endorsers and Super delegates like Mr McGovern are moving away from there earlier stances towards Obama publically as can be seen below.

Make no mistake, the super delegates are not waiting in favor of Ms Clinton they are are just crossing their Ts and dotting their Is so that she cant destroy the Democratic Nominee when she loses. They are going slowly to take away her ammo.

You only have to look to Mr McGovern to see the writing on the wall.

McGovern says he occasionally chats with men who don't think a woman is ready for the responsibility.

"Some guy will say, 'Well, I think that's too big a job for a woman, I don't think she can handle those terrorists,'" he said, adding that he seldom hears the same thing said about a black man.

"I think we've never had a woman so well-qualified that's on the national scene," he said of Clinton.

McGovern, who centered his 1972 campaign on his opposition to the Vietnam War, has been critical of the Iraq war, calling for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney earlier this year. He said Clinton and Obama have reasonable plans for ending the conflict.

He says he likes Obama but didn't know much about him when he endorsed Clinton last year.

"I think very highly of him now," McGovern said.

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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:33 PM
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16. Is this George McGovern? And I hope you're right n/t
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:40 PM
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21. Yes that is George McGovern who has endorsed Ms Clinton saying he thinks she is unelectable.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:33 PM
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17. Some want to keep their vote secret for now, because.....
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 06:39 PM by nomaco-10
they're seeing which way the wind blows after pa. Others, would like to keep their vote secret because they are planning to not vote the way of their state, and they are scared to death of the blow back if they announce it now.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:38 PM
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18. And I believe the fact that an asteroid has not struck Peoria
is proof of an anti-gravity anomaly there.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:39 PM
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20. The Tipping Point Approaches. I think we're going to see more and more SD's
coming out for Obama. Clinton is not looking too good in this news cycle. I think we may be finally see the light at the end of the tunnel of this long, national nightmare. There is more and more talk on the MSM about her not having a chance combined with the idea that the DEMS are self-destructing. I think the SD's are about to move.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:45 PM
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23. If the outcome is at all uncertain, they need to be careful to not appear to affect the outcome...
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:47 PM
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24. Super Delegates are cowards who want to wait and see which way the wind is blowing
but I think Reid's comments today is an indication that something will break soon to end this nightmare. It is also interesting that since Iowa Obama has received many more SD endorsements as Hillary. I don't for a minute think there will be a huge break towards HRC.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:48 PM
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25. Then why haven't they anointed her and ended this horrible nightmare? n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:53 PM
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26. I think the sun rising in the morning suggests to you that there's majority support for HRC
:think:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:54 PM
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27. Stop Making Predictions!!! You always jump to conclusions on everything...everything will be fine.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:55 PM
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28. Maybe It Just Means They're Willing to Let Things Play Out
and let all the voters have their say.
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Malidictus Maximus Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:07 PM
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30. Survival of the fittest?
Let's see who the last one standing is. It ain't over yet. And then there's the Republican slime machine in the GE, and then a whole assload of nasties, jerks and madmen that any POTUS will have to contend with. I sure as the hell hope neither candidate is even beginning to get worn out by the fight.
(former Kucinich and Richardson supporter who WILL vote for either (or Gore) if the nominee.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:37 PM
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31. Enamored--or afraid? n/t
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:03 PM
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33. Absolutely not
You have power before you announce. They are taking their time - for some, they had to see if Barack could handle the pressure. Thats why I agree with the idea that there now will be a trickle in his favor.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:06 PM
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34. Nope.
They're biding their time to see how more primaries go.

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