Since Clinton didn't Win Texas, Why isn't her campaign Over like Carville and Bill said?

[berni_mccoy]

Seriously, both Bill and Carville said her campaign was done if she didn't win Texas. Well, she didn't win. What's the hold up? Let's have an end to this.

[Mike Nelson]

1. I don't think they consider it a loss

They still consider it a win

[HooptieWagon]

2. The goalposts were moved to Puerto Rico...

didn't you get the memo?

[jakem]

4. I thought the posts were moved to 2012...

[berni_mccoy]

6. I think it's Puerto Rico in 2012, you are both right.

[Justitia]

11. LOL! -eom

[quantass]

23. LOL! Very funny!

[Mooney]

3. Because they were lying. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

5. Depends what the meaning of "winning" is

[Vinca]

7. By the way, yesterday Jack Cafferty also made the statement

"Barack won Texas" on CNN. Unfortunately, Wolfie didn't expand on it.

[berni_mccoy]

8. Thanks, I missed that. I wonder when reality will set in for the Clinton campaign and her supporters

[Coexist]

9. because, its a way of life:

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. Last night on CNN, they listed Texas as a win for her.

Spin, spin, spin.

[Lucky 13]

12. Jesus. H. Christ! What don't you fucking understand?

THEY ARE LIARS.

It is not more complicated than that.

[Beacool]

13. Don't be cutesie, you know that she won the popular vote. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

40. Too bad for Clinton it's not a popularity contest.

[dionysus]

49. with ta lot of help from repukes..... who didn't caucus...

you lose

[noel711]

14. Because she DID win Texas..

and she won Florida and Michigan too.
She said so. The press says so,
must be right... :)

[Texas Hill Country]

15. yes, she did win texas... god damn, how many times does this have to be said? seriously?

if you win pop vote in texas, you win the state. period. it is the way it has ALWAYS been. believe me.

[Justitia]

19. WRONG - I'm a delegate to the convention this Saturday, we aren't convening for nothing.

On election night, Obama clearly won more delegates than Clinton.

Now, this Saturday, at the Senate District conventions, he's poised to win even more.

Obama won the state of Texas, any other posturing is bullshit.

But, the Clinton campaign is very experienced in spinning shit into sugar, aren't they?

[PBS Poll-435]

28. Again, Obama has not won a single delegate from the Precinct Conventions.

Nothing is final until Saturday. If everyone shows up that showed up on March 4th, then yes, Obama will win a majority of the caucus delegates, and in-turn, a majority of the delegates from Texas.

[Justitia]

31. Trying to play w/definitions is analogous to saying neither Obama or Clinton "wins" until August.

Yeah, technically the party nomination isn't "won" until August, at the National Convention, but its ridiculous to pretend someone hasn't won any contest until the official "calling out from the floor" from each state before then.

But, hey, I understand, the Clinton Campaign is desperate at this point.

[PBS Poll-435]

33. Playing?

NO. Awarding delegates based on a "focus group" is what you are doing. Obama people actually have to show up and participate on Saturday for Obama to win any caucus delegates.

[Justitia]

34. LOL - Okay, hang in there, like Hillary. Have fun Saturday! -eom

[Texas Hill Country]

41. I am a Texas delegate... so? The popular vote has always been the measure... for years...

[crankychatter]

16. it's not fair it's not fair it's not fair

i'm not spoiled i'm not spoiled i'm not spoiled

i'm not i'm not i'm not

[PBS Poll-435]

17. Obama has not won a single delegate from the caucuses in TX !!!111!!!

The county conventions are this weekend. Let the process work.

[Justitia]

20. Patently false. The delegates were won March 4th, I'm one of them.

Obama will certainly accrue more on Saturday, when we go through certification and then they will be awarded in June.

The Clinton campaign is desperate with this tactic.

[PBS Poll-435]

24. You (and I) are delegates to the County/Senatorial District Convention

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Justitia]

25. LOL - so, as a Clinton supporter, why even bother attending, if she already "won"? -eom

[PBS Poll-435]

26. She won the TDP Primary,

And with a little luck, she will win the majority of delegates to the convention.

On a side note, I already received a call regarding the county/SD convention. The caller told me that as a delegate, I should take charge, make calls, and ensure that everyone shows up for the convention. On Sunday, March 30th. Talk about your dirty tricks...

[Justitia]

29. "A Little Luck"? LOL - its impossible. Obama won the most delegates, period.

Those numbers aren't changing, no matter how much voodoo math the Clinton campaign tries to put forward.

Of course, I assume the Clinton campaign is still threatening to sue the Texas Democratic Party because they lost, so maybe they are hoping to win in the courts, which is also beyond the realm of possibility, but with that campaign I've learned to never say "never".

The only person that should have your name / phone number as an identified delegate would be your delegation chairperson who is responsible for your attendance on Saturday. If it was your delegation chairperson, sounds like they screwed up when rounding up their delegates.

[PBS Poll-435]

30. Actually It is not impossible.

Obama has not been awarded a single delegate yet. Why is this so tough to understand? Assuming that absoulutely nothing changes with the Precinct Delegates from March 4th to Saturday, then yes, the projected delegate win for Obama will be cemented. However, change is the only thing that is constant.

[Justitia]

32. And no Dem candidate for prez "wins" anything until it's officially "awarded" in August.

Keep hope alive - LOL!

I appreciate your optimistic outlook.

Have fun Saturday at your SD convention.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. This is the first time that I have been really involved in the process,

and I like it. It sure beats doing nothing.

You also have fun at your convention.

[Justitia]

37. Yes, it IS fun. It's like the Superbowl for me, here in TX.

At the convention Saturday we may all be fighting from our opposite corners, but it really is a blast to convene together as Texas Democrats and having an official part in this historic election is fantastic.

Be an enthusiastic supporter of your candidate and be happy about all the other Tx Dems you've had a chance to meet.

Seriously, have a great time Saturday and when you do your research on the SD conventions, consider printing off materials and bringing them to the convention to show them around to your fellow delegates.

We'll have a lot of first time attendees that will be clueless about the process and it can look like chaos when you don't know what to expect.

The good part is that no matter who wins the nom, we've inspired an entirely new generation of Texas Democrats this year.

[Texas Hill Country]

42. you have to register your vote at the convention for it to count i believe.

[phrigndumass]

18. Um ...

[DemzRock]

21. Actually this is the situation that bothers me...

In the General election, it's all or nothing based on the popular vote. You can't caucus your way to a win in the GE. HRC looks to be the best choice for getting the most electoral all-or-nothing-state-by-state votes in the GE.

[kmsarvis]

27. The electoral college argument is STUPID!!!!

Are we to assume that Obama would lose New York and California in the general election?
GET FUCKING REAL!!!!!!

[DemzRock]

38. NY and CA are not the only states, are they? Polls indicate that HRC wins and BO loses in GE...

State by state...

Clinton is ahead in electoral votes and would win against McCain if the GE were held now.

Obama is behind in electoral votes and would lose against McCain if the GE were held now.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Mar25.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Mar25.html

[kmsarvis]

51. These silly maps are your evidence?

Notice how many more states are "STRONG DEM" for Obama,9 to Clintons 6 .
Notice how many states are "BARELY DEM" for Clinton,7 to Obamas 5 .
Notice how many states on the Obama map are"BARELY GOP" .
Also consider that alot of the poll data used for these maps is very old.

[Texas Hill Country]

43. he is almost losing MA according to new polls... how surreal is that?

[berni_mccoy]

39. The rules of the election dictate the campaign strategy. The rules of the primary are delegates won

The rules of the General Election are different. Clinton used a failing strategy and has lost the primary. She deserves to lose for chosing a strategy that depends on a different set of rules.

Obama's campaign will use a different strategy for winning the General Election. They've proven themselves able to run a successful national campaign by the rules. The deserve the nomination while Clinton deserves to lose.

[Texas Hill Country]

44. problem is that the dems set up the primary based upon how consistenly democratic a state is and not

the electoral college, which is dumb IMO... but oh well.

[berni_mccoy]

46. Dems da rules. Either you play by them or not. Obama has. Clinton hasn't.

And she's losing as a result.

[UALRBSofL]

22. I believe because she won the popular vote

as compared to the delegates that it played out will in the media and switched the surge of momentum from Obama to Clinton so she was able to continue her campaign. It helped her increase her donations and the polling seemed to look favorably toward Clinton.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. I was thinking the same thing.

[BenDavid]

45. obama folks are so silly, I have to laugh each time I come in

cause I know it will be so easy to win any argument you folks throw out there, but it is tough to fight against the lies that are so often the obama way of doing stuff.

popular vote....

[berni_mccoy]

48. You must live in an alternate universe where objects fall up.

The popular vote isn't how the primary is won. Clinton knew this going in. She failed to play by the rules and now she's losing. Her campaign has been a miserable failure. I'd hate to see how she'd run the administration.

[invictus]

47. It looks like her plan is to damage Obama then run in 2012. That's the only logical expanation. n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

50. If Hillary didn't win Texas than you agree

that delegates should not be bound to the popular will, since the caucuses that swung additional delegates to Obama were held with just a much smaller sub set of the voters who all went and voted in the Texas primary that day and voted for Clinton over Obama.

Good to know where you stand

[berni_mccoy]

52. I believe the rules of the DNC should be followed. Under the rules of the DNC, Obama Wins!

[Tom Rinaldo]

54. Under the rules of the DNC

Obama does not win the nomination until a majority of all delegates, both pledged and super delegates, supports his nomination. Those are the DNC rules, and the rules state that Super Delegates vote their own conscience. The argument most Obama supporters seem to make about Super Delegates is that they need to follow the popular will. But since you are so content with Obama getting more delegates under the rules in play in Texas after losing the popular vote there, it seems clear that you will have no problem with accepting the results of the Democratic Convention regardless of who elected the most delegates.

[americanstranger]

53. At that time, the campaign was operating under

the 'popular vote' metric - so Hillary won that state because she took the popular vote.

Whether it would be considered a win under the new 'electoral vote' metric is up for debate.

- as

[kmsarvis]

55. I would like to point out that.........

in Texas over 100,000 Clinton votes were cast by Republicans .