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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:07 PM
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"We won't keep working for this campaign if it's going to destroy Barack Obama."
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Heilemann, Like Noonan, Suggests That Clinton Camp May Be Fracturing
March 23, 2008 03:10 PM

On today's Meet The Press, Peggy Noonan got ears burning when she suggested that there was some matter of dissension in the ranks of the Clinton campaign, saying that Clinton is "surrounded by people who would adore the chance to be for Obama." She added, mysteriously, "One of her top aides, who kind of privately makes it clear that he knows that he himself is an insurgent character and that it would be wonderful to be a part of Obama's insurgency but that he is backing Ms. Clinton."

Noonan otherwise made her animus for the Clinton's fairly readily apparent, which was just one of the factors that made me think she was worth dismissing. Others included the fact that last week, Clinton's surrogates weren't working the Reverend Wright angle particularly hard - Charles Schumer and Nita Lowey both backed off of hammering Obama on his association with Wright. Additionally, Clinton's position in the race for the nomination - while obviously hampered by the math - is nevertheless very strong where perceptions are concerned: she's had a pretty good couple of weeks (outside of perhaps the whole Bosnia matter) and is well-poised for a win in Pennsylvania, which is sure to give her some momentum. Additionally, and perhaps critically, the superdelegate flood to Obama has, in the past fortnight, subsided.

On Chris Matthews' show, panelists Norah O'Donnell, Clarence Page, and Elisabeth Bumiller all basically agreed that Clinton was nowhere near the point where she'd be thinking about leaving the race. But there was one outlier: New York Magazine's John Heilemann, who echoed some of the things Noonan would say on Meet The Press:

HEILEMANN: I think that one thing that's happening internally is that some of her top people are starting to say to her, "We won't stick with you. We won't keep working for this campaign if it's going to destroy Barack Obama." She's starting to hear that from her people and she's starting to kind of see it.
MATTHEWS: How do you know that?

HEILEMANN: How do I know that? Reporting.


The one thing I'd caution is that if you look back, rumors of internal dissension seems to always precede Clinton's momentum-swinging victories. Everyone was supposed to be getting fired in New Hampshire, but Clinton's win forced the press to table their obituaries. And the week before her Ohio win was fraught with Mark Penn-bashing from within the campaign.



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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:13 PM
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1. Noonan has hated the Clintons since the President first won office.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:17 PM
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2. how about John Heilemann?
he also said it and is the guy I quoted
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:19 PM
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3. Peggy Noonan hates America...
...she was the one who wrote the words for Reagan, effectively selling her soul to the devil.

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:15 PM
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13. Noonan really does hate america
She wrote a book about Hillary and the basic theme was how Hillary hated america. She has written hundreds of Op-Ed pieces on Hillary which were all hate pieces. So in my opinion she has no credibility writing about Hilary.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:21 PM
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4. I think I'd sooner believe Dick Cheney over Peggy Noonan
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:29 PM
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7. Cheney may be a sociopath -but he's not delusional
Noonan on the other hand quite literally lack a firm grip on reality.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:19 PM
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19. As a mental health practitioner for over 30 years==Cheney is most certainly delusional
Which is no excuse for his continued power mongering.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:22 PM
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5. Noonan commenting on Clinton is like Salieri commenting on Mozart.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:32 PM
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10. Clinton is Salieri and Obama is Mozart, it's killing her.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:23 PM
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6. Is this the same Peggy Noonan who said that magical dolophins
brought Elian Gonzalez to Miami?
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Kermit77 Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:31 PM
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8. I wonder if she was talking about Carville or Begala
"She added, mysteriously, "One of her top aides, who kind of privately makes it clear that he knows that he himself is an insurgent character and that it would be wonderful to be a part of Obama's insurgency but that he is backing Ms. Clinton."

Could this be Begala or Carville? hmmmmmm.....

:think:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:42 PM
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16. Neither Carville or Begala are actually employed by her campaign & wouldn't be considered "aides" in
any case.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:32 PM
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9. Oh for crying out loud!!!
If everyone wants so badly to be for Obama...then why aren't they....why didn't he win 100% of the vote and 100% of the delegates. Hillary is VERY close behind him so more than a few people must like her. Does anyone even remember what Gore was put through in 2000 or the swiftboating of Kerry, a war hero? Geez, how thin skinned is obama if minor criticism destroys him. If he CAN be destroyed in the primaries, he isn't ready for the general.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:57 PM
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11. I agree. These anonymous staffers should just shut up and go work for Obama - if they really exist.
These stories just get lamer... and lamer... and lamer.
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:03 PM
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12. Wow.
It looks like you cut and pasted your arguments from about 9 different threads all in this post. It's kind of impressive, not that it makes a bit of sense!
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:21 PM
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14. isn't she that prat bag who wrote speeches for the Repubes ?
sorry, but I don't see how much different she is from Phyllis Schlafly - she also ultimately wants a man to support her so she can stay home and make cake from a mix while wearing a girdle and pumps (and a dress as well) waiting for hubby to get home. And I'm supposed to be surprised that she wants to spread the word that a Democratic campaign is in disarray ? One that in its very nature threatens a social norm-set she has a vested self-interest in ? I think not.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:23 PM
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15. Obama supporter here - I don't trust a word Noonan says
She wrote some filthy screed about Hillary Clinton whereby she made some "what if" hypothetical story that had no basis in fact. Maybe Heilemann knows something, but I wouldn't count on Noonan being truthful. She is a Republican and used to work for Ronald Reagan as a speech writer.

I do support Obama and I have been terribly disappointed by Sen. Clinton's conduct of this campaign.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:55 PM
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18. Same here. I give her words about as much credibility as I do Maureen Dowd's.
Just a frisson more because at least Noonan is admittedly partisan.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:52 PM
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17. Heilemann's comments are interesting. Of course Noonan's not credible, but Heilemann is not Noonan.
Whether there's anything to it or not, that remains to be seen.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:23 PM
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20. A second-hand, unsourced comment from a talking head.
c'mon
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:31 PM
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21. The real question is..
how many who work for hilary would resign if they see further evidence(as if there hasn't been enough already) of her destroying the Democratic Party by attempting to take out Obama?

Are there any who have that moral fiber?

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