Oops! HRC's own brazen "Commander-in-Chief Test" for Obama provides a possible Passportgate2

[ProgressiveEconomist]

Passportgate2 "smoking gun", right on HRC's own campaign website.

From http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6495 :

"Press Release 3/12/2008

QUESTIONS FOR SENATOR OBAMA

Lee Feinstein, Campaign National Security Director, Released the Following Statement

Senator Obama has thus far failed to answer key questions about his qualifications to meet the Commander-in-Chief test.

The following are questions that Senator Obama should address:

... (5) As voters evaluate you as a potential Commander-in-Chief, do you think it's legitimate for people to be concerned that you have traveled to only one NATO country, on a brief stopover trip in 2005, and have never traveled to Latin America?"

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Unless someone can find a public statement by Barack Obama himself that he's "traveled to only one NaATO country", can someone provide another possible source of such knowledge other than felony snooping into Obama's passport data? It seems to me that proving NEGATIVE TRAVEL requires a COMPLETE source of travel data--either the traveler himself or the only authoritative complete physical record of his travels.

Also, note the date of the "CIC test"--after two of the 3 unauthoriaed passport file accesses, and just two days before the third. And note that the 1992 "Passportgate1" campaign (see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5181535 ) to smear Bill Clinton must have made Hillary intimately aware of the "felony opposition research" potential of passport files.

Have Hillary's campaign staff outsmarted themselves?

[meow mix]

1. Wow they sure have all his movements tracked out. I wonder how they came up with all the details

hmmmm

[dailykoff]

3. Maybe they found his passport in the kitchen sink?

Just a guess.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

12. Kick!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

21. seems to be plenty of connections

whether there's a true link or not, it looks shaky.

[Yossariant]

28. According to the Wall Street Journal, maybe from Obama's own intelligence and foreign policy advisor

:rofl: :rofl:

"Virginia-based The Analysis Corp., learned Friday that one of its employees was involved. "This individual's actions were taken without the knowledge or direction of anyone at TAC and are wholly inconsistent with our professional and ethical standards," the company said in a statement. The company said it has delayed taking any "administrative action" against the employee at the request of the State Department as it conducts its internal investigation and that it believes the incident is isolated.

Analysis Corp., whose CEO, John Brennan, is the former head of the National Counterterrorism Center, specializes in counterterrorism and data-management consulting and has provided services to the State Department and other federal agencies for nearly two decades. One of its first contracts was to automate the State Department's terrorist watch list. The company is doing counterterrorism work for most of the 16 intelligence agencies. Mr. Brennan also serves as an adviser to Sen. Obama's campaign."
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB120606170975853607-rtNjh0yg8tEUOSa405iXZVXSaBk_20080420.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

:rofl: :rofl:

Obama still won't be ready by day one thousand and one.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

29. How is this relevant to the main question in this thread: How did Lee Feinstien KNOW

so much about the details of Obama's LIFETIME travels to assert so confidently Obama had "NEVER traveled to Latin America" and had "traveled to ONLY ONE NATO country"?

Such knowledge could come from only two sources:
--A statement from Obama himself; or
--"Felony Opposition Research" in Obama's passport file.

[Life Long Dem]

31. Kick

I'm busy right now, but watch the airports, she could be on the run. :hurts:

[Unsane]

2. WTF

:grr:

[Cha]

4. They've been given enough rope

to hang themselves and certainly getting foisted on their own petard is imminent.

[Frank Booth]

5. Coming from the same campaign that spent $90,000 on Hy-Vee party platters

and thousands more on worthless snow shovels, the potential idiocy doesn't surprise me for some reason.

[40ozDonkey]

6. Not saying anything until more intel is gathered.

There's plenty of time.

[NoodleyAppendage]

7. This is a VERY GOOD POINT. It gives the impression the Clinton op-research knows his travel history

Good catch!!! Sending MSNBC. I recommend you doing the same...maybe to Schuster.

J

[ProgressiveEconomist]

24. Kick!

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26. Kick!

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27. Kick!

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32. Kick!

[trueblue2007]

8. Gees you are delusional

Do you write fiction? Where are you facts.
All I see is PURE CONJECTURE.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

11. Think of this as a "possession of stolen property" investigation. The passport data

definitely were stolen, and it appears that Lee Feinstein may have used it.

We all know Feinstein's possible motive for receiving the stolen property. And the timeline of events given in the OP, together with apparent possession, goes toward establishing opportunity. Now all that's necessary to build a circumstantal case is to demonstrate MEANS. Lee Feinstein was a senior aide to Bill's Secretary of State. Aren't you at least CURIOUS about possible ties between Feinstein and passport data guardian Maura Harty?

To put an end to such speculation, all Lee Feinstein would have to do is to show exactly where he learned that Obama had "traveled to only one NATO country".

[Sulawesi]

17. or NOT travelled to central america.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

22. Thanks. How could I have omitted that from the OP? Duh!

[Life Long Dem]

30. Kick

Kick and recommend.

[Blue_Roses]

9. If this really, REALLY comes back to Hillary

not only will I be totally disgusted, but sad. Sad that she really stooped to winning at all costs.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

10. Hil's "CIC testmaster" was a high State Dept. official. How well does he know Maura Harty,

Hil's "CIC testmaster" was a high State Dept. official. How well does he know Maura Harty,

the guardian of passport data? When was the last time they spoke? Will the media address these questions?

From http://www.carnegieendowment.org/experts/index.cfm?fa=expert_view&expert_id=107 :

"Lee Feinstein, Visiting Scholar (This person is no longer with the Carnegie Endowment.)

Lee Feinstein, former principal deputy director of the U.S. Department of State's policy planning staff, joined the Carnegie Endowment's Non-Proliferation Project as a visiting scholar in April 2001. He focused on national security and diplomatic issues, including non-proliferation, European security, and national missile defense.

Mr. Feinstein was a senior advisor to former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, working on non-proliferation, strategic arms control, South Asia, State Department reform, and other diplomatic issues. He led the U.S. delegation to the UN special negotiations on trafficking in firearms, and coordinated overall U.S. diplomatic efforts in this area. He also worked on peacekeeping policy in the Office of the Secretary of Defense from 1994 to 1995. Before joining the Clinton administration in February 1994, he was assistant director of the private Arms Control Association in Washington, DC."

[ProgressiveEconomist]

13. Another timeline finding, on the SECOND snooping incident, from Seafan's excellent thread

on a 2007 update of the 1999 Parry article linked in the OP:

From DUer orleans at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=132&topic_id=5181342&mesg_id=5187885 :

"16. i'm reading the comments to your link and found this one interesting: "Has anyone noticed that the date of the second offense was just 3 days before Drudge released the photo of Obama in Kenya? And that at the time, the Obama camp said very, very few people had access to that photo? Could that photo have been in the file? Anyone?

Posted by: Mj at March 20, 2008 8:58 PM "

[Life Long Dem]

35. It's all adding up isn't it.

People do know Hillary is also in hiding. She has not said one word over this.

Yet Bill, who Hillary needs to stand behind and without him she would have no morals and beliefs at all goes out Friday the next day the security breach was exposed by the whistle blower who I believe was fired over going to the reporter has no problem making a joke out of the his passport security breach.

Funny he is joking about the whole incident ain't it. Yet he wasn't joking at the time it happened to him in 92 during his campaign. And most likely by the Bush sr. crew. Which Bush Jr. probably took the tip from.

Jeez... I just wanted to kick this.

[loveangelc]

14. K :-D

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. Red phone alert!

[Window]

16. This shit is scary, and I don't scare easily.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

18. Kick!

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23. Kick!

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20. Kick!

[OzarkDem]

33. References his travel while in the Senate - public information

She's referring to his travels in his official capacity as a member of the Senate. That's public information.

Its also a very valid argument. How can Obama claim to have foreign policy cred when he hasn't done much while in the Senate? NATO will be key to helping extract the US from the mess in the ME. Obama's record shows he hasn't even bothered to meet with NATO allies in his official capacity. That's very troubling.

[sniffa]

34. According to today's Boston Globe piece on it

The nearly 200 million passport files maintained by the State Department contain individuals' passport applications, which include such raw data as each applicant's Social Security number and physical description. Otherwise, the files provide rather limited information; they do not contain records of overseas travel or visa stamps from previous passports.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/22/passport_prying_draws_apology/